Skip to comments.Holder: Everyone knows ‘in-person voting fraud is uncommon’
Posted on 06/12/2012 5:57:26 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
WASHINGTON Attorney General Eric Holder defended his departments challenges to states voter ID laws on Monday, alleging that those on all sides of this debate have acknowledged that in-person voting fraud is uncommon.
Holder spoke at the League of Women Voters conference where he challenged those who believe that easing registration hurdles will only lead to voter fraud.
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FYI: Holder has also been fighting states trying to purge voter rolls of felons and the dead.(as required be the Voting Rights Act)
What about absentee vote fraud, hmmm?
But the Obama administration is all about Change, so ... just stand by: they've got a plan.
Or the extra 19% that voted in Winsconsin.
Everyone knows holder is a partisan hack. By refusing to allow voter ID laws they are promoting and encouraging voter fraud. How much? Not sure. Holder doesn’t want us to know how much.
Holder only knows what the voices in his head tell him
Yeah right Holder. That’s why John Connally wrote about LBJ pushing him to register dead voters in South Texas.
Holder is the congenital liar who can’t tell the truth.
Personally Eric, I think any moron who doesn’t vote “in person” really doesn’t need to vote. If they can’t get off of their lazy asses to go vote, what will get them off of their asses? Moochelle needs to add getting off your ass and going to the polls to vote part of her exercise program for America.
You nailed it. Holder specified ‘in person’ because he knows 0bama won’t be able to win without the Democrat’s Trojan horse: ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTER FRAUD!
The ‘Rats own get-out-the-vote propaganda says one vote can change an election. If that’s true then any fraud at all is too much.
And everyone knows that Holder is obstructing justice.
When no ID is required HOW IN THE HELL can anyone know?
Maybe Holder is telling the truth with his fingers crossed behind his back because maybe he is right about most election fraud not being done in person. Maybe he personally knows that most election fraud is NOT done by voters but by political machines in city hall. Remember the Minnesota miracle that saved Al Franken’s election? The election was very close until a ballot box filled with 500 ballots was found in the truck of a car. Miracle of miracles every single vote was for Al Franken. That was definately not done by 500 individual voters showing up in person to cast fake votes. That was done by the Democrat party machine stuffing ballots by the hundreds. I even think they have ballots marked well ahead of time just to give the voters a little help in making up their minds.
The Alinsky playbook is getting pretty thin.
If no effort is expended to detect voting fraud, the the logic follows that the statistics will show the detection of it is rare. AG Holder, this is a form of the Correlation Fallacy and is taught in basic logic class. Did you miss class that day / week? Did you take logic? If 2 men in semi-uniforms stand in front of a polling place door, are they only metaphysical because they resemble Obama’s nonexistent son?
Murder’s uncommon too. Should we tolerate it?
Also, let’s follow another line of attack. Say we stipulate that it is uncommon. Now, consider that maybe 95% of elections are not close races (with a few percentage points). In the 5% of the races that are close, let’s say an average of half of those are in districts where Dems don’t dominate the polling places, so the fraud is not allowed. We’ve got 2.5% of the races, with under a 3% difference, where fraud is likely to occur. All it takes to tip those races is a small percentage of the total votes. So, all you need is a few percent of the votes in a few percent of the races (multiplying fractions results in a smaller fraction of course), and you can tip the balance of power in states and even the whole country. Vote fraud applied strategically in the right circumstances, therefore, is still a serious risk to the democratic process, even if it is quite rare.
Once tens of thousands of fraudulent voters are registered by ACORN, et al, then none of those individuals commits “in person” fraud when he or she turns up to vote on the basis of the fraudulent registration. Voter ID stops that by requiring a state issued ID that will only be issued once, like a driver’s license, with no individual being to get more than one. Then the local officials be able to allow valid voters, in their districts, to register and vote.
“those on all sides of this debate have acknowledged that in-person voting fraud is uncommon.
Sure—like everyone knows that the private sector is doing fine. Where are these humanoids living?
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The left are dishonest and cheat. The fight they are putting up proves it, otherwise there is nothing to lose in going along.
Holder on the wrong side of a debate.
Between supplying firearms to Mexican drug cartels and arguing for electoral corruption, it’s surprising he has any time for his job.
Or does he?
The ONLY reason to oppose voter ID is to AID AND ABET VOTE FRAUD.
Holder is just a [stream of blue language] LIAR.
well, that’s good to know... otherwise, in all those states where ID checks are not required, people could be walking in early morning to vote for the liberals in the area
of course the liberals might be upset later on in the day, as libs tend to vote late, when they find out they cannot vote ‘again’
Exactly, those are his assigned jobs. No doubt about it.
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You could be right
That's a bigger issue. Nursing home staff voting for their inmates. Students voting from parents' home, plus off-campus residence, plus voting in-person on campus. Snowbirds voting from both residences. Etc.
Another objection to absentee ballots is that they facilitate vote buying. Just bring your ballot to your local "community activist", he verifies it's filled in correctly, you get a bottle of booze, he mails it in for you.
Photo ID to vote in person - no exceptions.
Absentee ballots should be as difficult to get as a concealed carry permit in New York City.
Vote fraud should be a capital offense.
Or, in the phrase the 'Rats made "famous" in 2000, to "let every vote count" (regardless of who casts it).
Holder is sleazeball who has done his best to to politicize what remains of what was once the best legal system in the world, one of the foundations of which is fair elections.
Of course, this is to be expected when you have a man in the White House who likely doesn't meet the constitutional eligibility requirements for the office he obtained.
NO RESPECT FOR THE RULE OF LAW has been the hallmark of the current administration!!!
Wouldn't go quite that far, but it should be a felony and the law must be enforced.
Some other suggestions to tamp down on voting fraud:
Repeal Clinton's "Motor Voter" law.
No early voting!!!
No same-day registrations.
A few fraudulent votes can decide a close contest.
Case in point: Minnesota Senate race, Coleman vs. Franken, 2008. The fraud there was perpetrated during the recounts, aided and abetted by the 'Rat Secretary of State.
He's in litigation now against Florida, which is trying to clean up the voter rolls in Miami and environs, IIRC. Unfortunately, Holder and co. will likely prevent Florida from purging ineligibles before the coming presidential election.
Could be wrong, but the take here is that Zero will lose Florida to Romney regardless.
Then there was FL 2000. Dems were sure they had that state, as the dead voters and their surrogate lever pullers in the lower three counties were all primed and ready to go. But Elian happened, and the Pissed-off Cubans voting Republican just narrowly edged out the dead voters. They tried their best to invent voters who never were during the re-count, but the numbers simply weren’t there, and the Republican observers had their eyes wide open, thereby narrowly keeping the state red.
MULTIPLE IDENTITIES There's loads of parasitic ID brokers getting rich selling fake ID's to "impoverished" border violators for several thousand dollars each. Juan Madrigal--the Wash/state rapist--had some 30 identities. Another illegal used multiple identities to bilk UI of several million dollars.
Let's see----two illegals---that equals some 40-50 votes (/snix).
LET'S APPLAUD FLORIDA'S EFFORT TO SAVE DEMOCRACY FROM MARAUDING BANDS OF THIRD WORLDERS AND THE OBAMA DOJ. Obama, and other vote-crazed US politicians, will do anything to get illegal votes.....even sacrifice the US Constitution. If Florida does not act, the US will have compromised its sacrosanct system of democracy.
BACKSTORY Florida discovered huge hordes of illegals on voters rolls when it called up names from the voter rolls for jury duty. Illegals said they could not serve on juries---b/c they were not citizens.
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Send Gov. Scott an email showing your support
If the effect of the NVRA (Motor Voter) is to force a state to allow never-eligible non-citizens the opportunity to vote, he wrote, then the statute might violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, which guarantees that the right to vote cannot be denied by a dilution of the weight of a citizens vote.
As for the Voting Rights Act claim, Detzner wrote, Florida already received federal permission to remove noncitizens, which is clearly spelled out in Florida law.
Whats more, the Voting Rights Act applies to only five Florida counties Monroe, Hillsborough, Collier, Hardee and Hendry and not the other 62 in Florida, including Miami-Dade, where about 1,600 of the 2,700 potential noncitizens were initially identified by the state in a database created by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.
About 500 people in Miami-Dade have been found to be lawful citizens and voters, and 13 noncitizens have been found. Two of them might have voted and could face prosecution. The county has been unable to verify the citizenship of more than 1,100 others.
Assuming the purge halts, those people could vote this year even if some are noncitizens.
"Not a single eligible voter as far, as I know, has been removed from the voter rolls," Scott said Wednesday on WNDB radio in Daytona Beach, according to a News Service of Florida transcript. "Not one. And were working to keep it that way."
"Their vote should not be diluted by people who dont have the right to vote," Scott said. "We need to be reviewing our voter rolls and making sure only those individuals who have the right to vote are voting."
This hardly seems like an approach earnestly designed to protect the integrity of elections and to ensure that eligible voters have their votes counted, said the letter, written by Scotts hand-picked secretary of state, Ken Detzner, a fellow Republican.
Detzner also submitted a list of four questions that he wants the DOJ to answer:
Monroe County's part in the Florida voter purge of 2012 has ended, says Elections Supervisor Harry L. Sawyer Jr.
"Unless we hear from someone who says he or she is not a citizen, we're not removing anyone else from the voting roll," Sawyer said Monday.
"We do have a clear understanding of the National Voter Registration Act and we have to conform to it," Sawyer said. "We are not going to break the law even if the governor thinks we should."
A list sent out by Gov. Rick Scott's administration in May notified Sawyer that four people on Monroe County's voting roll might not be U.S. citizens. The statewide list of about 2,700 names was compiled from state drivers-license records of non-citizens.
"I didn't think four names out of nearly 50,000 voters in Monroe County was too bad," Sawyer said. At press time, Sawyer's books showed 48,155 registered local voters.
Sawyer sent certified letters to each of the four, asking them to clarify their status. One person responded that she is not a legal citizen. That person was dropped from the roll.
Florida officials are now seeking to compare thousands of more names from the state Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles' non-citizen roster against the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's immigration database.
Federal officials refused, saying Florida needs to provide more specifics before receiving unfettered access to the national database. Monday, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner sued the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to demand access.
In turn, an assistant U.S. attorney general said the Department of Justice plans to sue Florida for violating national law on voting rights by attempting to purge voting rolls too close to an election.
"The voting roll should be clean and we do our best," Sawyer said. "But we have to make sure that we don't take good names off the roll."
With the Aug. 14 primary and Nov. 6 general election nearing, Sawyer said, "Our office is in election mode. We're not going to do anything major other than new registrations and address or name changes."
"We're not going to get too excited about what's going on in Tallahassee now," he said. "We worry about Monroe County."
The state's overall list sent out last month "was old and not accurate," Sawyer said. "It has problems."
State officials have said they expect local elections supervisors to handle the investigation into suspect registrations. A former police officer, Sawyer said he not about to launch an inquiry "based on information when you tell me it's not that good."
"I know probable cause when I see it," he said," and it has not arrived."
Sawyer, a Republican retiring after this term, said state officials have not pressured him to pursue any investigation.
But staff at the main Monroe County elections office went in one recent morning to find its fax machine clogged by "40 to 50 faxes" from a South Florida Tea Party group "demanding" that Homeland Security open its database.
The forms -- "a stack a half-inch thick," Sawyer said -- were identical except each had a different sender name. There were no addresses to know if they are Monroe County residents.
"It bothered me because our office has no authority to demand anything of the federal government," Sawyer said.
Ron Labasky, general counsel to the Florida State Association of Supervisors of Elections, said most elections offices have halted work on the state purge.
"Most counties got from one to four or five names," from the state list, Labasky said Tuesday. "The more populous counties like Miami-Dade and Hillsborough got more."
When "a significant number" of voters from the state list turned out to be legal, most offices have stopped pursuing it "based on lack of quality information," he said.