Posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:35 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
It is within the bounds of “open” Religion Forum town square style debate for a Freeper to express his hatred of a belief. But such posts are never allowed on RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”
It is never within the bounds on the Religion Forum for a Freeper to express his hatred of people who hold a particular belief when any Freeper is part of the belief group.
For example:
It is ok to express hatred towards CatholicISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Catholics because some Freepers are Catholic.
It is ok to express hatred towards ProtestantISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Protestants because some Freepers are Protestant.
It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.
Some political posters are now venturing onto the Religion Forum probably because Romney’s beliefs are at issue in this election.
If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."
Finally, whereas posters may argue vigorously for and against beliefs on “open” Religion Forum threads it is never tolerable to use ad hominems in religious debate because they invariably lead to flame wars when the subject is one’s deeply held religious beliefs.
For something to be "making it personal" it must be speaking to another Freeper, personally.
"Protestants are heretics" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal. "Catholics worship Mary" is not making it personal. "You worship Mary" is making it personal. "Mormons worship many gods" is not making it personal. "You worship many gods" is making it personal.
However, when a poster paints with a brush that accuses an entire religion of criminal behavior - his post will be pulled as flame bait. For example, posts that say "Protestants kill babies" or "Catholics molest children" or "Mormons kill non-Mormons" will be pulled. However, if the post is specific about a non-Freeper, I will not pull it. For example "Rev. Doe says abortion and infanticide are not sin" or "Father Doe was convicted for molesting those kids" or "Mormons killed non-Mormons at Mountain Meadows" would not be pulled.
Statements formed as questions are rarely "making it personal."
"Are you a heretic" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal.
Forms of "making it personal" include mind reading, attributing motive, accusing another Freeper of telling a lie (because it attributes motive, the intent to deceive) - making the thread "about" individual Freeper(s), following a Freeper from thread to thread and badgering a Freeper over-and-again with the same question.
When in doubt, avoid the use of the pronoun "you" and Freeper's names - or put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
Despite all these efforts to eliminate ad hominems, there is nothing I can do to keep you from "taking it personally."
If you keep getting your feelings hurt because other posters ridicule or disapprove or hate what you hold dear, then you are too thin-skinned to be involved in “open” RF debate. You should IGNORE “open” RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”
Yes, what's an inquisition or two among friends? The sale of indulgences, meh? The imprisonment of Galileo for suggesting the earth goes around the sun instead of what the Church taught (that the sun goes around the earth)was just more truth coming out, right? Yes, only the truth. Good thing they didn't slide priests around to avoid prosecution for child molestation because that would look bad. Thank goodness for the beacon of light that shines from Rome.
Sinfulness does not equal errant doctrine, yet you pretend otherwise (you sound like a liberal).
Erroneous science does not equal errant doctrine.
Not that you are interested in truth, but the fact is that it was the prevailing scientific community that doubted Galileo - and the Church suppressed Galileo in large part because it wanted to squelch protestant criticisms that Rome’s scientists contradicted protestant ideas of scripture (which protestants at the time thought required the earth to be at the center of the universe). Also, while Galileo’s ultimate conclusion was right, but his explanation was erroneous. And the Church simply told him he had to teach it as a possible theory because he had no proof. It was only when he refused and instead taught that he was 100% correct that he was suppressed because he was being anti-scientific and also agitating protestants. You must certainly know that it is the lieberals that posit the claim that the Church is anti-science when in fact the Church invented the university and funded almost all science until about 1600.
It certainly does not equal TRUTH either.
I'm sure you believe the spin your Church has put on the Galileo story but the fact that they bullied an old man who was correct speaks volumes about how they put their interests above Gods. Jesus would not have condoned this act.
” I abhor Catholicism almost as much as I do Mormonism. “
What a shame that you abhor the Church that Jesus Himself began at Pentacost.
Reading is a good thing, you might try it sometime. Where did your church start, who started it? What is the history of Jesus’ church?
I belong to the First Church of Christ. I’m a Catholic.
“Hi! My name is ELSIE and I freep WAY too much.”
And Elsie is a guy. So what is truth, Elsie?
To: Alex Murphy
...the promise of instantanous death to anyone who dared to touch her.
I dated a gal once whose DAD said this!
4,282 posted on September 19, 2011 3:59:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don’t believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
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...the promise of instantanous death to anyone who dared to touch her. I dated a gal once whose DAD said this!
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Elsie is a guy? Or is Elsie a girl? Or is it Elsie so that we think he/she is a girl?
Elsie - Definition [el-see] (n.) Female given name, form of Elizabeth Dictionary.com . See all 1 definitions »
4,333 posted on September 20, 2011 5:05:04 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (Catholic, Easter vigil 2008)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
Not gonna take it anymore is a guy? Or is Not gonna take it anymore a girl? Or is it Not gonna take it anymore so that we think he/she is a ???
Not gonna take it anymore - Definition [see Fed Up] (n.) Descriptor usually found at bottom of reply. Frequently describes an attribute of poster.
See Howard Beale
Not gonna take it anymore
4,367 posted on September 20, 2011 9:48:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don’t believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
I do not have a girl’s name.
Are you a girl? Or are you a guy with a girl’s name.
My name is asexual. It describes a feeling not a sex.
You can take it anyway you want. Or you can ask me. I’m not hiding anything.
4,404 posted on September 20, 2011 7:16:06 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (Catholic, Easter vigil 2008)
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The word that is translated *church* in Scripture is *ekklésia* meaning *assembly*. There is no term for the Catholic church in Scripture. The Catholic church co-opted the verse and misapplied it in a bid to claim absolute authority on the earth.
The real church, the body of Christ, is founded on the Rock, that is Christ. HE is the head of the church and Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to ALL believers and that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth. It isn't for a select few. The same Holy Spirit resides in all believers and guides all believers into truth.
Jesus told the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, “He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me” (Luke 10:16).
Chapter and verse? Where is the term pope and bishop used by Jesus? And that verse can apply to any believer, not just a select few who fancy themselves some sort of guardians of truth to dole out to others as they see fit.
Another courtesy ping to AM and Elsie to let them know they were being talked about since a courtesy ping was again neglected.
This is the News/Activism forum.
The Philosophy forum is down the hall.
And now back to our regular programming...
The real church, the body of Christ, is founded on the Rock, that is Christ.
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Is Peter the 'rock'?
As you can see, Simon was already known as 'Peter'
BEFORE the following verses came along.....
NIV 1 Corinthians 10:4
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. NIV Luke 6:48
He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. NIV Romans 9:33
As it is written: "See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." NIV 1 Peter 2:4-8
4. As you come to him, the living Stone--rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him-- 5. you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6. For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 7. Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, " 8. and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for. But, since there WAS no NT at the time Christ spoke to Peter, just what DID Peter and the rest of the Disciples know about ROCKS??? NIV Genesis 49:24-25 24. But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel, 25. because of your father's God, who helps you, because of the Almighty, who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies below, blessings of the breast and womb. NIV Numbers 20:8
"Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink." NIV Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he. NIV Deuteronomy 32:15
Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, he became heavy and sleek. He abandoned the God who made him and rejected the Rock his Savior. NIV Deuteronomy 32:18
You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth. NIV Deuteronomy 32:30-31
30. How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the LORD had given them up? 31. For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede. NIV 1 Samuel 2:2
"There is no one holy like the LORD; there is no one besides you; there is no Rock like our God. NIV 2 Samuel 22:2-3
2. He said: "The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; 3. my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior-- from violent men you save me. NIV 2 Samuel 22:32
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? NIV 2 Samuel 22:47
"The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God, the Rock, my Savior! NIV 2 Samuel 23:3-4
3. The God of Israel spoke, the Rock of Israel said to me: `When one rules over men in righteousness, when he rules in the fear of God, 4. he is like the light of morning at sunrise on a cloudless morning, like the brightness after rain that brings the grass from the earth.' NIV Psalms 18:2
The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. NIV Psalms 18:31
For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God? NIV Psalms 18:46
The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Savior! NIV Psalms 19:14
May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer. NIV Psalms 28:1
To you I call, O LORD my Rock; do not turn a deaf ear to me. For if you remain silent, I will be like those who have gone down to the pit.
NIV Psalms 31:2-3
2. Turn your ear to me, come quickly to my rescue; be my rock of refuge, a strong fortress to save me. 3. Since you are my rock and my fortress, for the sake of your name lead and guide me. NIV Psalms 42:9
I say to God my Rock, "Why have you forgotten me? Why must I go about mourning, oppressed by the enemy?" NIV Psalms 62:2
He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken. NIV Psalms 62:6
He alone is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will not be shaken. NIV Psalms 62:7
My salvation and my honor depend on God ; he is my mighty rock, my refuge. NIV Psalms 71:3
Be my rock of refuge, to which I can always go; give the command to save me, for you are my rock and my fortress. NIV Psalms 78:35
They remembered that God was their Rock, that God Most High was their Redeemer. NIV Psalms 89:26
He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Savior.' NIV Psalms 92:14-15
14. They will still bear fruit in old age, they will stay fresh and green, 15. proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him." NIV Psalms 95:1
Come, let us sing for joy to the LORD; let us shout aloud to the Rock of our salvation. NIV Psalms 144:1
Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. NIV Isaiah 17:10
You have forgotten God your Savior; you have not remembered the Rock, your fortress. NIV Isaiah 26:4
Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD, the LORD, is the Rock eternal. NIV Isaiah 30:29
And you will sing as on the night you celebrate a holy festival; your hearts will rejoice as when people go up with flutes to the mountain of the LORD, to the Rock of Israel. NIV Isaiah 44:8
Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one." NIV Habakkuk 1:12 O LORD, are you not from everlasting? My God, my Holy One, we will not die. O LORD, you have appointed them to execute judgment; O Rock, you have ordained them to punish. |
And now you know the Biblical position!
There's no such thing as bad PR!
;^)
Even the famously anti-Catholic England is acknowledging that their history books were also anti-Catholic propaganda books.
From today’s news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9350681/The-story-of-the-Reformation-needs-reforming.html
The Garden of Eden. God.
What we know for sure is wrote in the Bible. Corruption started almost immediately after the Disciples died. History gets re-wrote. Rules get changed. Power, greed and corruption is the nature of man. So, what we know for sure is wrote in the Bible. Read the Bible for truth. Read all else for amusement.
History gets re-wrote. Rules get changed. Power, greed and corruption is the nature of man. Go forth. Believe what you wish.
Disagree and the "mob mentality" you use to define others so derisively applies to those on the "opposite side" as well.
Especially those who are cowards and won't ping or name names when talking about those they are maligning or slandering.
Pontificate all you want, but there is certain lack of character, morals and values in those behaviors.
But maybe they didn't teach that in psych 101?
It’s interesting that when presented with information that contradicts the original premise, the poster ignores it and goes on to another topic.
I’m no expert, I don’t pretend to be one in many or all of the facets of religiosity, spirituality or faith.
I do the best I can under the circumstances. If someone is not informed or posting false information, I will do my best to correct those misperceptions. But to assign the title of “mob mentality” to such actions, simply because one is on the opposite side, demonstrates how little regard the poster has for those with opposing views, opinions or facts.
Hmmm, if some see Peter as the Rock--and the Bible says the Rock is God--then not only is Peter the first pope (I see adherents to Rome don't capitalize "pope" so I won't either) but he also must be God.
This is getting stranger and stranger...
If someone is not informed or posting false information, I will do my best to correct those misperceptions. But to assign the title of "mob mentality" to such actions, simply because one is on the opposite side, demonstrates how little regard the poster has for those with opposing views, opinions or facts.Me too.
It's far too typical of those with no viable arguement and who aren't perpared for reasoned discourse to ignore the issue and proclaim an evaluation based on what they percieve to fit their agenda.
Many that do "psych work" (and brag about it lol) tend to use the aforementioned leftist liberal tactic and then go and hide.
netmilsmom is one of those. ( I didn't ping her, she seems to fear my comments)
Speaking of which, she is quite afraid of Romney and has nightmares about Obama.
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