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SCOTUS decision thread for Monday, June 25th, 2012 (10am EDT)

Posted on 06/25/2012 3:10:01 AM PDT by Perdogg

1. Az Immigration Case

2. Stolen Valor Act

3. ObamaCare Mandate

4. ObamaCare Severability


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KEYWORDS: 3threadswithnothing; fooledyouagain; justjokingagain; negativenaybobsofneg; notbreakingnews; notreallybreaking; perdogg; ruling; sb1070; scotus; vanity
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To: Cheerio
But but but didn't the WH jester just pronounce that his ICE will not take action against these "undocumented DemocRATS", no matter how the police waste their time?

1) It allows AZ police to collect statistics on the number of illegals that ICE refused to take action upon, which could be handy leading up to November.

2) Obama's decision to not take action is not binding on a future President (although whether Romney will do anything different is something we may have to see).

3) If the republicans take over the federal government, all it will take is one piece of legislation giving the states the power to arrest illegal aliens.

261 posted on 06/25/2012 7:42:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Perdogg
Man, talk about spin........

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters U.S. SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS KEY PART OF TOUGH ARIZONA IMMIGRATION LAW, IN DEFEAT FOR OBAMA
262 posted on 06/25/2012 7:43:34 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Shadowfax

So do I.


263 posted on 06/25/2012 7:43:42 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: TomGuy

I was a bit fuzzier on this one than the HC mandate. I am not surprised by nor all that disappointed by their ruling on this, at least as I understand it so far. Whenever I look at these immigration laws, I try to put myself in the shoes of a legal, naturalized US citizen from Mexico driving down the road in a beat up car (because it is all that I can afford). What kind of police involvement in my life would be expected, assuming I did nothing more than something warranting a speeding citation?


264 posted on 06/25/2012 7:43:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Mr Rogers; All

RE: Arizona Decision -

Lot’s of sad faces here today, but I do think it was the constitutionally correct decision.

AZ cops can stop and check immigration status but can’t stop someone from “making a nod or gesture” outside of, say, a Home Depot on the off chance that that person might a) be looking for work and b) illegal.

We don’t want to make the same mistake that Dumb0’s supporters do; granting executive power to someone simply because we agree with the goal opens up the faucet to the next pres, with whom we disagree, uses that power for something that we don’t like.

Same here. Immigration is a Federal concern, even if, as with Dumb0, he chooses not to enforce it. We need the laws in place and constitutional so the next person who becomes pres wont’ abuse his authority - whether at the Fed or State level.


265 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:13 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Williams

Well... once again the illegals and their La Raza, Lulac and MechA sponsors win big vs. America.

This wouldn’t be quite so troubling were it not for a federal government trading our national sovereignty for hispanic votes.

By present trends, we are someday going to cease to exist as a nation. There’s no other way to view this.


266 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:18 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: mrs9x
Maybe the Court wanted to throw the administration a bone before it strikes down Obamacare.

Wishful thinking.

267 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Williams

Good grief you are a wet blanket! Get a grip already!


268 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:33 AM PDT by Artcore
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To: butterdezillion

Roberts screwed us. The only thing AZ is allowed to do is tell the feds they found someone is here without papers. We cannot detain that person, penalize that person for working in Arizona, or do anything to inconvenience that person.

Just tell Obama that someone is here without papers, and then wait for Barry to enforce the law.

What a damn joke - if you like bitter jokes!


269 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Perdogg
Now that 2b has been upheld, it is my hope that Arizona will publish, on a weekly basis, the number of illegals detained and ordered released by the Obama ICE. The numbers will devastate Obama with non-Latino voters.
270 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:40 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: workerbee
"Roberts voted with the majority..."

Let's hope he 'threw Obama a bone' on Monday, and will hammer him on Thursday ...

271 posted on 06/25/2012 7:44:40 AM PDT by Bill Buckner
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To: Williams
Its not encouraging at all. Roberts and Kennedy are likely to uphold Obamacare. We better stop smoking crack kool aid here.

Blame Drudge..he's pushing the koolaid.

272 posted on 06/25/2012 7:45:11 AM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: All

The way they first took a look at the law may give a clue how they will decide. It looked like a large order of asperin at the time. Not so crazy.


273 posted on 06/25/2012 7:45:15 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: CedarDave
From the opinion authorship, health care is almost certainly being written by CJ Roberts, perhaps in part with Justice Kennedy. That’s a good sign...

Maybe, maybe not. Roberts sided with the libs to strike down the AZ law and that was with the Kagan recusal.

Actually it's my understanding that CJ Roberts joining the majority on Arizona was more tactical than a reflection of his actual views. If he would have joined Alito, Thomas, and Scalia. The court would have split 4-4 (Kagan recused) and the 9th circuit ruling striking down ALL of the Arizona law would have stood. So in joining with the majority he got Arizona 1/4 of a loaf, which I suppose is better than nothing.

275 posted on 06/25/2012 7:46:00 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Williams

Based on what???? The opinion issued today. Arizona and Healthcare are two SIGNIFICANTLY different cases. Roberts, despite how some people are lambasting him here, tends conservative. If Kennedy is in on the opinion, he’s siding with the conservative justices. Ginsberg came out earlier and stated that the Court was SHARPLY divided on healthcare. Those aren’t the words of someone who has won a victory. No, it’s not in the bag. But I don’t see the need for all the fear either....


276 posted on 06/25/2012 7:46:17 AM PDT by Shadowfax
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To: PapaBear3625
Good analysis. This is all about preemption. If Congress gives the states the authority, then it is constitutional.

What seems lost to many is that the most critical part of the bill, Section 2B, was upheld.

277 posted on 06/25/2012 7:47:05 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Marathoner; mrs9x
I agree. This way the media can't scream that the SC is strictly, inflexibly, conservative.
278 posted on 06/25/2012 7:47:15 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: workerbee

“From what I can tell, AZ (and US) loses.”

Immigration, is as always, a federal mandate. The US wins. California can’t issue visa waivers.


279 posted on 06/25/2012 7:48:03 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Bill Buckner
Let's hope he 'threw Obama a bone' on Monday, and will hammer him on Thursday ...

Why would the Judicial Branch have to 'throw a bone' to the Executive Branch? That makes a mockery out of "Separation of Powers." And the fact that any justice feels that he needs to throw the President a bone, is quite disturbing, if true.

280 posted on 06/25/2012 7:48:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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