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1 posted on 06/28/2012 5:35:04 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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Obamacare should now be renamed, Robertscare. Additionally, it should just be simple that Roberts’ interpretation of the constitution was collectivist, i.e. company should carry rights like an individual, and then the government should have the full authority on individual health insurance choices. Pretty much government monopoly, plus an addition to the deficit, which the left feigned care about anyways.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 5:37:44 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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All the R’s need is 51 to repeal it not 60. So all we have to do is go out and vote an Obamacare is gone.


3 posted on 06/28/2012 5:38:45 PM PDT by Carry me back
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It's a tax on your body.

You don't own your body.

You owe the feral government for it's upkeep.

4 posted on 06/28/2012 5:39:00 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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The title isn’t quite right. They ruled that Obamacare WAS a tax, not necessarily that it was a permissible one....or did I not get that correct?


5 posted on 06/28/2012 5:40:23 PM PDT by madison10
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And I would be quite thankful for any legal scholar who can point me to the grant of authority in the constitution which would allow any judge anywhere to re-write a law.

I have been reading that document for many years now but seem to have missed that part. Perhaps that to is in the penumbra! I admit to have a great deal of difficulty in reading those!


6 posted on 06/28/2012 5:40:31 PM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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You know the country has gone to **** when the morons on Barry’s Supreme Court start placing new taxes on the American people. This WASN’T a tax until that dumbass Roberts made it so.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 5:40:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Dude! Where's my Constitution?!)
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“Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the Court, held while the “individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause,” it is valid as an exercise of the taxing power granted the federal government by the Constitution.”

VALID, TAXING POWER, BY CONSTITUTION

ILLITERATE, WRONG

The Bill and its Taxing Power originated in the Senate, not the House. That is NOT the way it works under the Constitution, Judge Roberts.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 5:42:44 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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United States of America. You’re getting smaller in my rear view mirror and I won’t be home no more.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 5:43:34 PM PDT by IAMIUBU
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Play hell and try to collect.

/johnny

13 posted on 06/28/2012 5:46:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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This supposedly was decided months ago not yesterday
Did not the conservatives on the court try and talk sense to Roberts in that time frame


14 posted on 06/28/2012 5:48:22 PM PDT by uncbob
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“The states, through the exercise of the Tenth Amendment and their natural right to rule as sovereign entities, may stop ObamaCare at the state borders by enacting state statutes nullifying the healthcare law and criminalizing state participation in administering or executing the unconstitutional provisions thereof.”

God willing, this is already the mandate of many States.

My heart is in compete & enthusiastic agreement with the notion that we demand our Liberty or Death!


18 posted on 06/28/2012 5:53:37 PM PDT by Monorprise
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So let me get this right. The fact that the Obamanation insisted from the start that it wasn’t a tax should have had no bearing on the court’s (primarily Roberts’) decision that it was a tax?


26 posted on 06/28/2012 6:03:36 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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Paying a tax for me to pay for someone’s abortion is against my conscience.

So what do we do? File a class-action suit?


27 posted on 06/28/2012 6:05:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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1) All revenue/appropriation bills must originate in the house. The ObamaCare individual mandate if implemented must be laid and collected as a direct capitation tax.

A tax is a revenue bill. The Constitution requires that it originates in the house.

US Constitution: Article I, Section 7: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Since the individual mandate can only exist as a revenue tax to fund ObamaCare, then the tax must be re-introduced by the House to legally be passed into law.

2) Congress cannot tax inactivity.

The United States Constitution on Taxation

Article I Section 2 Paragraph 3:

“…direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several states…according to their respective Numbers…”

Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Article I Section 9 Paragraph 4:

“No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein directed to be taken.”

The 16th Amendment

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

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Since Obamacare individual mandate can only exist as a direct tax laid upon on an individual for inactivity then the tax in itself is unconstitutional because:

1) The IM is not an income tax therefore cannot be imposed pursuant to the 16th Amendment.

2) It is a direct tax which must be apportioned pursuant Article I section 2 and must be proportioned to census pursuant to Article I Section 9

3) As it stands now, within Obamacare, the IM TAX does not define what is being taxed.
35 posted on 06/28/2012 6:36:17 PM PDT by Bellagio
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Maybe we can get a friendly Congress critter to pay them back in their own coin.

"In order to help lower the costs of law enforcement that effect everyone, every able bodied male between the ages of 21 and 65 will, by Jan 1, 2013, arm himself with a handgun and 50 rounds of ammunition or pay a $50 fine."

This ruling makes that possible.

36 posted on 06/28/2012 6:38:45 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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Today, the U.S. Supreme Court not only re-wrote ObamaCare, but it simultaneously united the power of making and interpreting law into their own unelected hands.

They're just imitating Obama. If he can legislate via EO's, why shouldn't Roberts, et al legislate from the bench? /s

Obama and his Supreme Court lapdogs render Congress irrelevant.

38 posted on 06/28/2012 6:41:15 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Can Roberts show me where in his job description it says he’s free to revamp a case presented to the court? No, I didn’t think so.


46 posted on 06/28/2012 7:29:51 PM PDT by bgill
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Has anyone mentioned how much the tax will be? I have heard comments all day from people saying, “Well, if I don’t want to have health insurance, the fine will still be cheaper than health insurance would cost.” Really?? How do we know that??


58 posted on 06/28/2012 9:44:34 PM PDT by JMKirnan
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The problem for Romney is that he levied a tax on Massachussets people with his “Romneycare.” He used to call it a “fee, not a tax,” but according to Justice Roberts it was a tax.


59 posted on 06/29/2012 12:15:29 AM PDT by raulgomez05
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So why don’t we take control of congress and the Presidency and force everyone to purchase:

A firearm for each adult member of the family that can legally own a firearm
365 days worth of food for each member of the family
A portable generator
etc


66 posted on 06/29/2012 9:30:03 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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