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Tom Hoefling to debate Virgil Goode [Three CA presidential debates, Aug. 1, 4 & 7]
Tom Hoefling for President 2012 ^ | July 27, 2012

Posted on 07/27/2012 4:57:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

For Immediate Release

Contact: tomhoefling@gmail.com

Sacramento, CA - America's Party presidential nominee Tom Hoefling has accepted the invitation of the American Independent Party of California to participle in three debates with candidates vying for their 2012 presidential nomination.

The dates for the three debates have been set for Wednesday August 1st, Saturday August 4th, and Tuesday August 7th.

While these will be evening events, the exact start times have not yet been announced. All three debates will be broadcast live on web radio. Please watch americaspartynews.com and tomhoefling.com for additional information and a live link which will be provided as soon as it becomes available.

Reportedly, as of this evening, four  candidates have agreed to participate: Tom Hoefling of America's Party, Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party, Will Christensen of the Independent American Party, and Ed Noonan of the American Independent Party.

The first debate will address principles, the second will focus on domestic policy, and the third will deal with foreign policy.

 


TOPICS: Announcements; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; goode; goode2012; hoefling
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I hope you can listen in!

For those who might not know, I'm Tom Hoefling, and I've posted at FR for more than a dozen years as EternalVigilance.

Let's take our country back!

1 posted on 07/27/2012 4:57:18 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: daisy mae for the usa; BlackElk; joanie-f; Steve Schulin; Gelato; Colonel_Flagg; wagglebee; ...

FYI ...


2 posted on 07/27/2012 4:58:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Between the income tax and a consumption tax, which is the greater evil?

So if I choose consumption tax as less evil, I’ve succumbed to the income tax.

whatever.


3 posted on 07/27/2012 5:04:46 PM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: EternalVigilance

I would like to watch it but I’m having a root canal and I don’t want to miss that.


4 posted on 07/27/2012 5:08:29 PM PDT by kempster
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To: kempster
I would like to watch it but I’m having a root canal and I don’t want to miss that.

Oh, is Romney speaking that night?

5 posted on 07/27/2012 5:12:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance
Wow,two guys who won't garner a single Electoral vote between them.That's *sure* to be "must see TV".

(Do I need to place a sarcasm tag here?)

6 posted on 07/27/2012 5:12:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Good luck to you!


7 posted on 07/27/2012 5:18:18 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Funny how some people bitch about Obama and Romney, then when someone decides to do something as a conservative, the dipsticks come out of the woodwork to slag them. Congrats for helping to convince more people to sit and never do anything. Getting stabbed in the back by one’s own is always a good motivator. /s


8 posted on 07/27/2012 5:22:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EternalVigilance

I voted third party back when very young and inexperienced and learned a very harsh lesson. I may agree with planks of the platforms, but the political strategy is counterproductive, in my opinion.


9 posted on 07/27/2012 5:23:09 PM PDT by Tamzee (The U.S. re-electing Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and ramming the iceberg again.)
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To: kempster
All three debates will be broadcast live on web radio.
I wonder if the internet is going to be able to handle the traffic that's going to be generated.
10 posted on 07/27/2012 5:24:15 PM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: EternalVigilance

Virgil’s well known.

Can anyone tell me about Tom’s history?

School.

Past employment.

Office held.

Thank you.


11 posted on 07/27/2012 5:26:23 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I am with: Sarah, Bachmann, Santorum, Herman Cain, Dick Cheney, W, Rush on Mitt in 2012)
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To: EternalVigilance
For those who might not know, I'm Tom Hoefling, and I've posted at FR for more than a dozen years as EternalVigilance.

Sounds great and yes it will be a no miss debate.

Much appreciation for you stepping up for conservatism and giving the nation a real choice against liberalism in November!

12 posted on 07/27/2012 5:27:20 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EternalVigilance

Congratulations, Tom. Show ‘em how it’s done!


13 posted on 07/27/2012 5:31:38 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: samtheman

Yep, should be some extravaganza. How often do you get to see two no chances debating the insignificant issues of the day?


14 posted on 07/27/2012 5:37:05 PM PDT by kempster
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To: Norm Lenhart
Congrats for helping to convince more people to sit and never do anything.

I can think of lots of things to do but allowing my vote to make possible four more years of Executive orders from America's first Communist psychopath President most assuredly ain't one of them.

15 posted on 07/27/2012 5:40:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: GenXteacher

Thank you!


16 posted on 07/27/2012 5:42:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Fair enough. Which Conservative are you voting for? You know, so that the whole socialism thing isn’t continued for another 4 years and allowed to morph into Communism?


17 posted on 07/27/2012 5:43:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Thank you!


18 posted on 07/27/2012 5:43:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance; xzins

Maybe you guys could all agree that the winner of the debate will be the only conservative running.

Have a jury of maybe 50 Tea Party loyalists and let them decide who is the best candidate to represent the conservative cause and the other 3 will agree to drop out and support the winner.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 5:44:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I hope you knock that Green Party backed candidate for a loop!

Remind us again closer to the debate please.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 5:47:07 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Well, in some sense that is already going to happen. Their convention on August 11 will determine who has their precious presidential ballot line in California.


21 posted on 07/27/2012 5:47:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: Tamzee; xzins
I voted third party back when very young and inexperienced and learned a very harsh lesson.

I've learned the lesson that there is only one party in power. The Establishment Party. All other parties are the "other" party. So are you going to vote for the establishment candidate or a conservative candidate?

22 posted on 07/27/2012 5:48:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: mrsmith

I will. Thanks!


23 posted on 07/27/2012 5:49:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ve said this before to you, Tom, but this thread is as good a place as any to repeat it: I thought I was pro-life until I talked with you. Best wishes in your debates.


24 posted on 07/27/2012 5:50:28 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Are y’all going to be on the ballot in California?


25 posted on 07/27/2012 5:51:00 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs, the CANCER within the G.O.P.)
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To: EGPWS

Thank you. I really appreciate your kind words.


26 posted on 07/27/2012 5:51:25 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

That’s what we’re going to find out.


27 posted on 07/27/2012 5:52:59 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Thanks again. The process you describe is what makes all of this worth it, no matter what.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 5:55:46 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I was a precinct inspector for the primary, and I remember Ed Noonan’s name on the American Independent ballot. None of the other parties mentioned for these series of debates had primary ballots, so I was wondering.

I had a Pubbie ballot, and left that contest blank, for obvious reasons. :-)


29 posted on 07/27/2012 6:00:07 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs, the CANCER within the G.O.P.)
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To: EternalVigilance

As much as I like a good debate, you guys would be equally productive at a back yard BBQ. Right now we can ill afford third party noise.

Now if you want to attend your local Caucasus in that third world country of California and try to get your stuff into the party planks, more power to you.


30 posted on 07/27/2012 6:05:19 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I can think of lots of things to do but allowing my vote to make possible four more years of Executive orders from America's first Communist psychopath President most assuredly ain't one of them.

I'm a State Conservative as well but I'm a Hetero...Perhaps that explains the difference between our political leaning...

31 posted on 07/27/2012 6:05:47 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

It might explain the intention to vote for a man that legalized homo marriage, supports homo adoption, supports special rights for homos and, er......Not that there’s anything RIGHT with that ;)


32 posted on 07/27/2012 6:09:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Very obvious reasons.

That particular “primary” is completely meaningless. It isn’t how the American Independent Party chooses their nominee. I stayed away from it quite purposefully.

Who gets the ballot line will be determined on August 11.


33 posted on 07/27/2012 6:25:51 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Steamburg

Sorry, the formerly grand old party doesn’t own me or my vote.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 6:28:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Steamburg

By the way, why would any conservative care what is in the GOP platform? Their “leadership” hasn’t paid it any mind for decades.


35 posted on 07/27/2012 6:32:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; EternalVigilance
Wow,two guys who won't garner a single Electoral vote between them.That's *sure* to be "must see TV".

Congratulations Tom!

Don't let the RomneyBot JackAsses get you down, I don't expect any better behavior from them given the lying, left-wing Progressive Liberal they support.
36 posted on 07/27/2012 6:37:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Congratulations Tom!

I'll send my congratulations as well.But I'll add a small piece of advice to him:

TOM,DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB!

(And that goes for the clowns you'll be debating as well)

37 posted on 07/27/2012 6:47:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Thank you.

They don’t deter me at all.

Quite the contrary. They are a daily reminder why we must fight.


38 posted on 07/27/2012 7:08:16 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: SoConPubbie
Don't let the RomneyBot JackAsses get you down, I don't expect any better behavior from them given the lying, left-wing Progressive Liberal they support.

Pfffffft

I don't know any poster who is a romneybot - but I know most are anti-0bamabots.

The time for these guys to get in it has long since passed. It's the primary they need to get into and/or change. Our nominee is decided.

This foolishness is going to help 0bama.

If someone things they can make a difference, great. Get the primary situation changed to take away some of the GOPe power. Or is that too hard? Just running for the sake of running is easier?

Narcissistic Myopia.

39 posted on 07/27/2012 7:31:32 PM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ve told this story on FR a couple times but it’s relavant here on this topic as well. In the mid/late 90s-2001 I was Senior ed at Off-Road.com, an off-road motorsport site that had landuse issues as a big part of our agenda.

The largest problem we faced was not Earth First, the ALF or Sierra Club. It was the Apathy and ‘go along/get along’ attitude of our readership (which was second only to NASCAR.com in the motorsports realm of the day). I cannot tell you how much hate mail I got from fellow off-roaders upset that I/we were hardcore anti-econut. In the many landuse issues/closure issues of the time, many wanted ‘compromise’ with the greenies and wanted us to ‘moderate’ our stance because we were ‘hurting’ the sport.

Today, every one of the places we were fighting over back then have been compromised into closure or hyper restriction.

THAT is what compromise on the issues gets people. Incrementalism proves that the path to success is by demanding a lot, taking a little and coming back for as many tomorrows as needed until the job gets done.

Compromise of 50% leaves 50%. Compromise of that leaves you 25 and so on. That is exactly how the GOP advances liberalism. And they do it because the Mittbots and appeasers in the ‘base’ clamor for it.

I am glad you will not join them.


40 posted on 07/27/2012 7:40:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Thanks. Good story.


42 posted on 07/27/2012 7:51:43 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
"Compromise of 50% leaves 50%. Compromise of that leaves you 25 and so on. That is exactly how the GOP advances liberalism. And they do it because the Mittbots and appeasers in the ‘base’ clamor for it."

Thats great in theory, but what will happen if we all just stay home? Thats right, 4 more years of Obama.

Believe me, I hate the way things have gotten and its extremely frusterating to see the most liberal condidate get nominated every single time, but the alternative put up by the D's is always worse. Better a wishy-washy rino than a diehard communist fanatic. And thats our only choices.

43 posted on 07/27/2012 7:57:09 PM PDT by Copenhagen Smile (What if Jesus comes back like that?)
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To: EternalVigilance

To paraphrase William Shakespeare, “A debate by two idiots, full of sound and furry, signifying nothing”.


44 posted on 07/27/2012 7:58:09 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: EternalVigilance

It kills me to see these Romney supporters do what they are doing because the outcome is as obvious to me as the sun in the sky. The GOP is dead set determined to moderate their platform. They keep the old one around to point conservatives to, but they are governing well away from it’s direction.

That we even debate the Romney issue is unreal. Watching supposed conservative twist themselves into philosophical gordian knots to justify their support and intent to vote for a liberal blows my mind. And you just KNOW that once he wins, thanks to their abandonment of principle, they will be few and far between once the MASS Mitt returns to the Etch a Sketch board. At best, the brave ones will spout “Well Obama would have been worse” for the next 4 years.

If all these fairweather friends would man up and vote wor what they believe in rather than to win points in an unwinnable political game, they would then CONTROL the game. But instead, they’d rather mock you and other conservatives willing to jump in the breach.

Boy is THAT gonna help America...


45 posted on 07/27/2012 8:02:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: metalurgist
A debate by two idiots, full of sound and furry

Well, at least I know how to spell "fury."

If you're going to call folks "idiots" you'd better get an editor. I'm pretty sure spell-check wouldn't have caught that.


46 posted on 07/27/2012 8:06:30 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: Copenhagen Smile

It’s not a theory. It’s a fact. And the results are a fact as well. You show me how anyone ‘wins’ through compromise and I’ll vote Romney. You show me how a conservative votes liberal without abandoning his beliefs to do so and I’ll vote Romney.

You show me how a person of faith votes for a hardcore abortion supporter/enabler and looks God in the eye saying “All those dead babies I empowered the Govt to send you cannot be held against me” and I’ll vote Romney.

Show me logically how empowering a liberal with Romney’s record is better than Tom or any other conservative running and I’ll vote Romney.

Until someone does, the problem is not me and those who share my beliefs. It’s the situational ethicists among the Republican and conservative movements that are and always will be the problem.

And the facts, AKA world history, bear that out.


47 posted on 07/27/2012 8:09:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EternalVigilance
Excuse me. Double key stroke due to mild arthritis in both index fingers.
48 posted on 07/27/2012 8:23:28 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: metalurgist

I’ll pray for you for relief.


49 posted on 07/27/2012 8:25:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The saving of America starts the day conservatives stop supporting what they say they hate.)
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To: NoLibZone

Don’t hold your breath, waiting for a serious answer.


50 posted on 07/27/2012 8:58:28 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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