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Male Couples Face Pressure To Fill Cradles
New York Times ^ | August 9, 2012 | RACHEL L. SWARNS

Posted on 08/09/2012 6:58:41 PM PDT by reaganaut1

WASHINGTON — When the jubilant couple were wed in June, they exchanged personalized vows and titanium rings, cheered the heartfelt toasts and danced themselves breathless. Then, as the evening was winding down, unexpected questions started popping up.

One after another, their guests began asking: Are you going to have kids? When are you going to have kids?

Tom Lotito and Matt Hay, both 26, could not help but feel moved. They never imagined as teenagers that they would ever get married, much less that friends and family members would pester them about having children.

“It’s another way that I feel like what we have is valid in the eyes of other people,” said Mr. Hay, who married Mr. Lotito in June before 133 guests.

As lawmakers and courts expand the legal definition of the American family, same-sex couples are beginning to feel the same what-about-children pressure that heterosexual twosomes have long felt.

For some couples, it is another welcome sign of their increasing inclusion in the American mainstream. But for others, who hear the persistent questions at the office, dinner parties and family get-togethers, the matter can be far more complicated.

Many gay men had resigned themselves to the idea that they would never be accepted by society as loving parents and assumed they would never have children. They grieved that loss and moved on, even as other gay men and lesbians fully embraced childless lives. So the questions can unearth bittersweet feelings and cause deep divisions within a couple over whether to have children at all, now that parenting among same-sex couples is becoming more common.

The process can be also daunting logistically and financially, as would-be parents wrestle with whether to adopt or use a surrogate.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: antifamily; barf; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; recruitingchildren; rkselection; unnatural
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To: reaganaut1

I wonder if obamacare covers all of the invitro/surrugate costs for them to impregnate one of their lesbo or otherwise friends... yet. It is reproductive healthcare as the only way for them to reproduce “naturally.” I just threw up a little.


41 posted on 08/09/2012 7:38:54 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: reaganaut1
"Imagine an America without gays and lesbians."

Gays "are becoming more numerous because I think ALL Democrats are 'softening', and all Democrats will one day be at least partially gay or lesbian. Democrats are all becoming bisexuals.

That's the ultimate goal of the political wing of the militant gay ideologues; a wave that is now close to cresting; to make their aberrant behaviors the new normal...a complete takeover of America's morals and values by way of enforced political correctness.

Religions will have to go or be absorbed to the New Normal. So, Dan Cathy, you represent what might be the 'last stand' against the encroaching deviance. Good for you!

You are a Good Man.

So, what will this country look like when gays and Democrats (same animals, really) win, take over? Certainly we will have nice [storfront] window dressings!"


42 posted on 08/09/2012 7:41:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: reaganaut1

I wonder why they don’t just use a regular sized bed...but if a cradle is what they need .....


43 posted on 08/09/2012 7:42:35 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (The hotter the TEA, the stronger......and I'm boiling!)
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To: Iron Munro

When it becomes normal or accepted, you will see a lot of them change their mind. Many are doing it just to be different and stand out in the crowd. Being “normal” will take all that fun out of it for them.


44 posted on 08/09/2012 7:47:48 PM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: reaganaut1

The whole concept of 2 members of the same gender “thinking” that they can raise children is, well, obscene! Equally obscene is the LGBT crowd and those who support this public monstrosity, who push for equal rights based solely perverted sexual tendencies. I am a heterosexual who thinks that we need our own special affirmative action designator.


45 posted on 08/09/2012 7:52:15 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Great post and so very true. Homos & lesbians are the lowest form of degeneracy as pointed out in Romans 1:18-32, when God gives them over to their own reprobate desires, to enter into unnatural affections, men with men and women with women, doing those things which are an abomination & reprehensible. They will be judged and destroyed as a result of their sexual perversions.


46 posted on 08/09/2012 7:53:16 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: ConorMacNessa

Great post and so very true. Homos & lesbians are the lowest form of degeneracy as pointed out in Romans 1:18-32, when God gives them over to their own reprobate desires, to enter into unnatural affections, men with men and women with women, doing those things which are an abomination & reprehensible. They will be judged and destroyed as a result of their sexual perversions.


47 posted on 08/09/2012 7:54:11 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: calex59
What kind of an idiot would ask two men that question?

Several decades ago, I took special note when I happened to hear a woman lament the restrictions imposed on herself by "an accident of biology". Straight away I thought, "An accident of biology !?!?! An accident of biology !?!?!" Of course I said nothing. You get the picture.

But this is it. This explains everything.

48 posted on 08/09/2012 7:57:53 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: reaganaut1

They shouldn’t be asked, “When are you going to have kids?”.. they should be asked, “When are you going to make sure some poor, innocent child(ren) is motherless for life??”


49 posted on 08/09/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: calex59

No, they are not going to have kids. What kind of an idiot would ask two men that question?


Exactly. Only a person totally bereft of common sense would ask that.


50 posted on 08/09/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: calex59

Sick


51 posted on 08/09/2012 8:00:25 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: spodefly

never been any living thing that has resulted from homosexual sex. Not one single thing.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
I understand what you are saying BUT a whole lot of diseases are living and thriving because these freaks of nature continue sticking things where they weren’t meant to be or at least don’t belong.


52 posted on 08/09/2012 8:08:19 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: reaganaut1

>>>Many gay men had resigned themselves to the idea that they would never be accepted by society as loving parents and assumed they would never have children. They grieved that loss and moved on, even as other gay men and lesbians fully embraced childless lives.<<<

Normally I’m not as bitter as I’m going to be right here.

I’ve always wanted a large family with lots of children. God has blessed me with a son, whom I love, and a wife whom I adore.

Along the way, though, two more children that I would have also loved and cared for were killed in the womb by women making a choice. It’s a choice in which I had absolutely no participation. It was simply done and I was told.

I’m also told that my grieving for those lost children is some make-believe political stance.

So two gay guys want kids, and I’m supposed to feel sympathetic. Not here.


53 posted on 08/09/2012 8:26:42 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: reaganaut1

Sick.


54 posted on 08/09/2012 8:32:41 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: reaganaut1
Normal sex results in the creation of life. Sodomy results in AIDS

New Tagline!

55 posted on 08/09/2012 8:43:42 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Normalcy results in the creation of life, Sodomy results in AIDS)
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To: reaganaut1

That’s disgusting.


56 posted on 08/09/2012 8:55:12 PM PDT by madison10
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To: reaganaut1
I know one Lesbian couple which includes my sister. She had two daughters from a previous marriage. Between multiple suicide attempts by each of the domestic partners, they managed to turn one girl into a prostitute and felon who is still a mental mess, and the other daughter is now a full blown lesbian as well.

My sister (or is that brother) has never been happy, and only spreads misery. She has spent her LGBT life wallowing in hatred and irrational rants against society, republicans, Christians, etc.

57 posted on 08/09/2012 8:56:26 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: DBrow; reaganaut1
On one hand, a baby adopted is a baby not killed through adoption.

On the other hand is a baby raised by two males with one common set of family instincts.

There just may be a reason that hetero couples have two sets of instincts when it comes to baby-raising.

I have no clue as to what you are trying to say. Perhaps, it's just me.

Can you elaborate? Are you pro or con concerning homo adoptions? Both presidential candidates are pro.

58 posted on 08/09/2012 8:57:10 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: reaganaut1

friend of mine now living in San Francisco, told me 13 years ago bet we would live to see the day that homosexual marriage would be seen as normal, polyandry would be legal, bestiality would be legal with large animals and traditionalists would be persecuted like the Klan. I disagreed. I suspect I will have to give him a bottle of vodka. Egalitarianism and cultural marxism are killing us.


59 posted on 08/09/2012 9:06:13 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: reaganaut1; windcliff; stylecouncilor

God help us.


60 posted on 08/09/2012 9:15:19 PM PDT by onedoug
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