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Chemical in many antibacterial soaps linked with impaired muscle function
FoxNews.com ^ | Thursday, August 14, 2012 | Loren Grush

Posted on 08/14/2012 11:46:03 AM PDT by carriage_hill

Introduced in the 1970s, the compound triclosan has become an increasingly popular ingredient in many antibacterial soaps and other personal-care items, such as deodorants and mouthwashes. However, as the chemical’s popularity continues to grow, a recent report has raised concerns about some frightening risks that triclosan could pose to public health.

A new study published in the "Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences" has revealed that exposure to triclosan is linked with muscle function impairments in humans and mice, as well as slowing the swimming of fish. By reducing contractions in both cardiac and skeletal muscles, the chemical has the potential to contribute to heart disease and heart failure.

(Added bold emphasis is mine...)

The researchers from the University of California, Davis, and the University of Colorado decided to examine the possible effects of triclosan due to recent literature raising health concerns about the chemical, as well as substantial increases in its production.

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Almost everyone uses anti-bacterial soap, and has for many years, but the chemical *triclosan* is just now coming under scientific scrutiny.

The Colgate-Palmolive Softsoap® I use lists Triclosan Active Ingredient as 0.115%, which is small, but possibly cumulative in usage, unless excreted by the body.

From the article: "Primarily used in antibacterial hand soaps, triclosan can also be found in a number of bath and household products, including mouthwashes, toothpastes, deodorants, bedding, washcloths and towels, kitchen utensils and toys. Also, body levels in humans – including plasma, urine and breast milk – have been steadily increasing."

No ***Red Flags*** yet, but if you have known cardiac problems, it might be good to follow this developing situation.

Remember the brouhaha a few years ago about the "waxy coatings on apples", which finally turned-out to pretty much be a non-issue (Canadian source):

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/facts-faits/factsheet_applecoating-fiche_info_pomme_enrober-eng.php

1 posted on 08/14/2012 11:46:15 AM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: carriage_hill

Our chemists warned us about Triclosan many, many years ago. That’s why they won’t use it. It is dangerous.


2 posted on 08/14/2012 11:57:13 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: carriage_hill

I only used it as a last resort. Always stayed away from anti- bacterial, thinking it might shift my normal flora and innate defense. Soap and water still work fine. There are some bacteria only soap, water and friction kill reliably.


3 posted on 08/14/2012 11:58:21 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia. 2016 starts today! Walker, Issa, Rubio,)
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To: RC2

We use a brand called Clean Well, and the label boldly states that it is triclosan-free. Isn’t this also the ingredient that’s been linked to superbugs?


4 posted on 08/14/2012 11:59:22 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: carriage_hill
Thanks for the info.

I was just writing a check to support the fight against human caused global warming, now I will write it to help the prevention of the manufacturing and using of antibacterial soap!

Just doing my part and all.

5 posted on 08/14/2012 12:00:20 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: carriage_hill

Any chance I can get Social Security Disability for using this stuff? I’m tired of working to pay taxes.


6 posted on 08/14/2012 12:17:30 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (You didn't build it, but the private sector is doing fine.)
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To: carriage_hill; stylecouncilor; windcliff

‘Long avoided ‘antibacterial’ soaps.

Thanks, c_h.

w, s ping....


7 posted on 08/14/2012 12:19:39 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: carriage_hill

“Almost everyone uses anti-bacterial soap...”

Not me, hardly use that crap ever. Don’t wash my hands much either, even when in Third World countries - and never, ever, get sick. Dittos for “Sanitizer”.

I always knew this stuff was a scam (after all, sanitizers and especially lotions interfere with the proper moisturizing function of skin), but I didn’t think these strong chemicals were dangerous - but it makes sense now - I don’t put gasoline on my skin either, because I know it’s dangerous.


8 posted on 08/14/2012 12:20:15 PM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: carriage_hill

WELL,I GUESS IT’S BACK TO GOOD OLD LYE SOAP!..............


9 posted on 08/14/2012 12:21:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: BobL

Antibodies are like muscles, use them or lose them.


10 posted on 08/14/2012 12:22:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TonyInOhio
Any chance I can get Social Security Disability for using this stuff? I’m tired of working to pay taxes.

Turn on your television during Springer or Maury. You'll get a wide assortment of legal firms standing by to assist with your case. "You've paid into the system all your working life, now's the time to get the benefits you deserve. No fees until your case settles."

11 posted on 08/14/2012 12:23:24 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: EGPWS
I was just writing a check to support the fight against human caused global warming, now I will write it to help the prevention of the manufacturing and using of antibacterial soap!

So you've found a flaw in this triclosan study that invalidates it, similiar to how the science is flawed in the HGW issue?

Then tell us what it is.

Or shut up.

12 posted on 08/14/2012 12:33:39 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: carriage_hill

Here’s a link with a list of products containing Triclosan. Includes such brands as Colgate, Palmalive, Noxema, Soft and Dry, Dial, Avon, Suave, Clearasil, Old Spice, Vaseline, Lever 2000, Right Guard, Joy dishwashing soap, Dawn, etc. Also, a few pet products.

http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=chem&id=1401


13 posted on 08/14/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by bgill
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To: dfwgator

:Antibodies are like muscles, use them or lose them.”

Yep, better put than I could.


14 posted on 08/14/2012 12:45:19 PM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: BobL

Triclosan and triclocarban do work as advertised, which is remarkable since one would think bacteria would long ago have become tolerant to them. Bath soap that contains it keeps me from getting zits on the rear and other places that embarrass when the zits become sore. But maybe it works since I don’t clean the whole house with triclosan, only myself. Putting it in dish liquid seems overkill; not even the detergent makers say it sanitizes the dishes.


15 posted on 08/14/2012 12:50:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: BobL

Sounds a little odd, as once an organism learns how to create a new antibody, it never forgets short of losing the entire immune system.


16 posted on 08/14/2012 12:52:23 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Talisker

New investigation using sound science, I can always see. One sided panic based jihads, count me out.


17 posted on 08/14/2012 12:54:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: momincombatboots; RC2

Mine just went into the garbage.


18 posted on 08/14/2012 12:54:59 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: goodwithagun

This is the stuff; you got it! Mine’s now in the garbage.


19 posted on 08/14/2012 12:58:43 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: TonyInOhio

LOL! Give it a shot; if it works, let me know. I’m tired of working for the past 52yrs, to support millions of freeloaders, too.


20 posted on 08/14/2012 1:00:35 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

What did your garbage ever do to deserve that?


21 posted on 08/14/2012 1:01:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Red Badger

I remember it from Grandma’s Home, back in the 50s. She lived to 103, so maybe there’s something to it! LOL.


22 posted on 08/14/2012 1:02:53 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
Anti-bacterial soaps are the biggest marketing scams ever. I watch all kinds of people slavishly lather on the stuff all day. Even the folks at communion squirt it on before handling the host.

Fact: the most common casually communicable illnesses (like the flu) are viruses. Second fact: AB soap does nothing to prevent the spread of viruses. NOTHING! Only washing under warm, continuous water removes viruses from your hands.

AB soaps and lotions work by dehydrating the cells of bacteria (that's why they have such a high concentration of alcohol in them). Viruses don't have cell walls... and thus are not affected by AB soaps.

The only time you are likely to come in contact with significant amounts of bacterial are when you handle raw meat or fecal matter. So yes, if you have just scooped raw hamburger out of a pile of dog poop, squirt the AB soap on before you serve communion. Otherwise, just wash your hands, you scientifically illiterate sheep...

23 posted on 08/14/2012 1:04:31 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: carriage_hill; All

This sounds an awful lot like one of those “dose makes the poison” issues. Modern chemical tests are wondrous. They can sniff out a few molecules in a billion. Is normal biology equally sensitive to such traces of pollutants? Whether you hold that modern life forms were created in their present state or whether you hold they had been evolved into it, such sensitivity sounds implausible.


24 posted on 08/14/2012 1:06:27 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

*Note to previous post*

By high alcohol content, I was referring to the AB lotions (I realized I wasn’t clear the way I said it). Soaps tend to use the aforementioned chemical (that this article is about) to dehydrate the bacterial cells. And it still doesn’t kill viruses...


25 posted on 08/14/2012 1:10:46 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: bgill
Thanks for the list.

Crap, I've been using Old Spice® for 40yrs! I'm a goner. I'll have to go back to my old standbys, Brut® or Aramis®...

26 posted on 08/14/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
...triclosan has become an increasingly popular ingredient in many antibacterial soaps and other personal-care items, such as deodorants and mouthwashes.

"FRANCE NOT AFFECTED."

27 posted on 08/14/2012 1:18:12 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: dfwgator

Well put! Mine have been very healthy and protective over the past 62yrs, but this triclosan can do some damage, apparently.


28 posted on 08/14/2012 1:18:33 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Moltke
LOL!


29 posted on 08/14/2012 1:26:29 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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30 posted on 08/14/2012 1:26:48 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: carriage_hill
Hibiclens... the good stuff:


31 posted on 08/14/2012 1:27:13 PM PDT by Third Person (A man's got to know his limitations.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s in the same bag with the Polonium-210 Salad Dressing.


32 posted on 08/14/2012 1:29:02 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Dehydrating, yes and no. It is a common mechanism shared by antibiotics to keep bacteria from synthesizing strong cell walls as they multiply. Weak cell walls then rupture, spilling the cell contents out, resulting in the death of the bacteria.


33 posted on 08/14/2012 1:36:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yours is a more complete explanation than I gave. Mine was shortened for brevity... and because my general point was that bacteria (outside of cooking and composting) is not a big enough threat to use various specialized products continuously... anti-bacterial soaps and lotions won’t prevent a single case of cold or flu... but most people don’t know that...


34 posted on 08/14/2012 1:48:31 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: bgill

W.O.W. That’s quite a database, b! I got lost for 15mins in all of the layers of layers of layers of stuff. Heh.


35 posted on 08/14/2012 1:59:17 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Kartographer; blam; The Duke

Didn’t we have a discourse over the virtues of homemade soaps, once?


36 posted on 08/14/2012 2:00:46 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: Third Person

Thanks; it’s now on my shopping list to see if any stores around here, have it.


37 posted on 08/14/2012 2:05:44 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

pHisoHex. That was the real stuff. They used to dip us kids in it. When the stopped using it, there was a staphylococcus outbreak. It really worked.


38 posted on 08/14/2012 2:07:15 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: carriage_hill
I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Sure, if you are one of those nuts who walks around with a tub of hand sanitizer… Anyway, I use AB soap for the dishes and countertops. These are my food preparation and serving surfaces so I think it’s a good idea to keep them as clean and a free from bacteria as conveniently plausible. If they pulled the stuff tomorrow I would use a little bleach water to do the same.

The article said the chemical is easily metabolized too so I highly doubt my incidental usage is over exposing me.

The biggest takeaway for me is the possible health risk from accidental overexposure. Something to keep in mind if a child takes a sip of soap or something like that LOL.
39 posted on 08/14/2012 2:08:01 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

The only time I’ve ever used it is after changing the cat litter boxes. For simple hand-washing, I use Irish Spring Bar Soap. My immune system and antibodies are 62yrs old and still exceptionally strong.


40 posted on 08/14/2012 2:10:17 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: Born to Conserve

I remember every hospital and Dr’s office had that stuff, in the 70s/80s. All of a sudden, gone...


41 posted on 08/14/2012 2:22:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: chaos_5

Post #40:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2918436/posts?page=40#40


42 posted on 08/14/2012 2:24:55 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill
At the risk of getting "ethnic", what is this obsession with germs? It seems to run mostly (originally anyway) with "white" people (or "anglos").

We've become a country of Howard Hughes's.

There is evidence that seems to show that the LACK of germs in our society now is causing problems all its own.

Everything in moderation..

43 posted on 08/14/2012 2:39:02 PM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: carriage_hill

It destroys MRSA, and MRSA cannot become resistant to it. Most drug stores have it alongside the iodine and peroxide. It’s available as a wipe as well.


44 posted on 08/14/2012 2:42:03 PM PDT by Third Person (A man's got to know his limitations.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Bath soap that contains it keeps me from getting zits on the rear

Gee, uh, thanks for that info.

45 posted on 08/14/2012 2:46:44 PM PDT by GnL
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To: carriage_hill

Well, I reviewed the list of products that contain triclosan and I have used many of them over the years. Recently I have been diagnosed with “stiff heart syndrome” which, basically, means that my heart muscle is impaired and not flexible and, thus, does not pump blood out. My prognosis is not good. My doc said my heart does not relax, and that stress might have caused the problem, so he told me to try to remove all stress from my life,LOL. But, I wonder what I do about this news besides discussing it with him who will probably say it is a “non issue.” I wonder if I can get a test of some sort to see if I have a significant accumulation of this chemical in my blood/body.


46 posted on 08/14/2012 2:55:26 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Paradox

Post #40:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2918436/posts?page=40#40

The FDA and HHS have made this country a nation of wimps. I agree.

I saw the ‘cardiac warning’, and thought of numerous FReepers who have that issue, and posted it more for them. My immune system and antibodies are A1 since childhood in the 50s, when we got every sickness on-purpose, and built-up resistance to everything, including kryptonite! Heh.


47 posted on 08/14/2012 2:55:38 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: CitizenM

I’m so sorry to hear about your medical problem, CM. I truly hope you can find/do something to reverse it, or at least prolong the precious time you have. It’s worth asking about blood/tissue tests to see if that might be a contributing factor. I’ll say a prayer for you, FRiend.


48 posted on 08/14/2012 3:03:12 PM PDT by carriage_hill (Harry Reid [PERVERT-NV] has Vickie-the-goat in lingerie & stiletto heels, tied-up in his office.)
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To: carriage_hill

Thank you. It is not reversible. It was a shock, I thought I might have a blockage, something that would have been an easy fix. Surprise. But, thanks for posting this timely (for me) report. I don’t mean to tie up the thread with my situation.


49 posted on 08/14/2012 3:26:51 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: carriage_hill

We use Dr Bonners hippie soap made from unobtanium and environmentally safe by products from wind energy....or so they claim.

BTTT....


50 posted on 08/14/2012 4:23:54 PM PDT by Squantos
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