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The Social Security Administration Is Buying 174,000 Rounds Of High-Powered Ammunition
TBI ^ | 8-15-2012 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 08/15/2012 9:27:17 AM PDT by blam

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To: blam

Could this also be some kind of scam to filter ammo (illegally) to rebels in Syria?


41 posted on 08/15/2012 9:59:05 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: July4
Why?

You don't think they're going to push those old people into ditches while they're still alive do you? Next they'll have an open bid for trenching equipment...

42 posted on 08/15/2012 10:03:13 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: ChuteTheMall

...”Better stock up while you can, maybe the government knows ammo will get very scarce very soon”...

Maybe they are buying up the ammo so that it will not be available for others to buy. Are they worried that Americans are going to rebel against what is coming?


43 posted on 08/15/2012 10:13:25 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Strategerist
When you verify and recognize that the Social Security administration has never purchased ammo prior to this. Or that the Dept. of Agriculture has "expanded" roles not approved or paid for by Congress. Or you recall obambalama saying we need a federal police that is as powerful as our military with extra powers in the States. Contrary to our Constitution, and trying to sidestep Posse Comitatus laws or rather provide a mechanism around them. A home guard that would be like an SA or SS of dear old deutschland. That's when.

As a historical touchpoint-- it has been posited and was a Northern accusation in treason proceedings, with some data, that Jefferson Davis (when he was Sec. of War under President (D) Franklin Pierce in the runup to (D)Buchanan who was followed by (R) Lincoln and Secession) diverted and directed ammo and mil hardware to military bases in the South. These bases were later seized with the supplies upon Secession by the CSA. Just an observation.

There are some who think the one and bidmytime-en (the moron) and DNC would love race riots, civil unrest- and enact martial law to stop national elections. So there's that, also. Patterns and reality.

44 posted on 08/15/2012 10:13:57 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Strategerist

This is a way to stir people up, in Alinsky terms, to “penetrate their apathy”.

This topic has the advantage of links to the actual document, so it really can’t be debunked by Snopes-like debunkers. The National Weather Service actually is buying ammo, and here is the document to prove it.

You and I and many others know that cops buy ammo, but I am using this topic to expand and cement my email tree. I’ll send out the links with a “hey look at this any comments” type note, then pay attention to who responds and what the response is.

I include a rational explanation like yours, so I’m not trying to merely frighten people.

So far I have over 70 new nodes in my email political network. A useful thing to have in an election year!


45 posted on 08/15/2012 10:14:09 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Strategerist
"So now legions of people are searching Fed Biz Opps for every ammo purchase, and then posting them all over the internet. "

Sensationalism sells?

46 posted on 08/15/2012 10:15:44 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

It’s for when Hussein decides to threaten not to send out grandma’s check again.


47 posted on 08/15/2012 10:18:38 AM PDT by bgill
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To: madison10
They want to make the purchases, but not from the same account for bookkeeping reasons, and the dummies think this will keep the purchases under the radar.

Bingo. Just because the money for whatever nefarious purchase is charged to the Department of XYZ doesn't mean the items purchased won't eventually show up in the Department of Hussein's Civilian Army. Same with the Stimulus monies in that who knows where untold million dollar checks went.

48 posted on 08/15/2012 10:24:24 AM PDT by bgill
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To: July4
Why?

It's not all that surprising - the government does this with a lot of items at the end of the fiscal year - they stock up for the next year (or even the year after that) with year end funds to insure the money doesn't revert to the Treasury (and save taxpayer money - horrors!)

They probably have shooting ranges somewhere and will just fill up a closet with bullets. We used to do the same thing with copy paper.
49 posted on 08/15/2012 10:26:53 AM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: PowderMonkey

Soc Sec has a private security company that uses revolvers, and it is also protected by the FPS, who use semi autos.


50 posted on 08/15/2012 10:30:38 AM PDT by JimC214
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To: July4; blam
SSA has a criminal investigation unit. http://oig.ssa.gov/about-oig/careers

NOAA also has an enforcement unit, primarily focused on enforcing fisheries laws.

51 posted on 08/15/2012 10:33:48 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Strategerist
Ok, here’s a wacky, out there thought: Government agencies with armed agents have been buying ammo for years and years, but people just noticed that they are doing so.

That is what I thought until I did the math. DHS has had two procurements this year, one for 450 million and another for 750 million rounds. That is a total of 1.2 billion rounds. At the height of the Iraq war our military was averaging 5.5 million rounds per month (.50 cal and smaller). That was not sustained for years, just at the peak of the war. If the DHS were to sustain that rate of fire it would take 218 months do deplete their supplies. (or a little over 18 years). It makes me think that at a minimum the government is going to create a shortage of ammo and in the process increase the cost of ammo. It is also a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. The worse case scenario for this is much worse ... Obama is building an army.

52 posted on 08/15/2012 10:37:01 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (The truth hurts)
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To: blam
"The request actually calls for 174K .357 hollow points that arguably have as much stopping power as any bullet out there"

Yeah, right up there with 130 gr .270, 149 gr 7.62x51, or 400 gr .416 Rem Magnum, they're all the same delivered energy, right... /s

53 posted on 08/15/2012 10:37:35 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: colorado tanker

None of these Federal agencies have jurisdiction in an individual state. They always get local law enforcement involved when they knock on a door.


54 posted on 08/15/2012 10:43:11 AM PDT by GregNH (If you are unable to fight, please find a good place to hide.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

maybe when the cash benefits run out, the moochers will just be given ammo to procure goodies on their own.


55 posted on 08/15/2012 10:43:54 AM PDT by LibraTango (hithvptv)
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To: John S Mosby
When you verify and recognize that the Social Security administration has never purchased ammo prior to this.

The burden of proof is on the nutters and kooks to demostrate that there is something unusual going on, not on me to prove that nothing unusual is going on (though I've provided plenty of evidence of the latter.)

We have established that the SSA and the National Marine Fisheries Service have had small numbers of armed agents for years.

For example, here's a link showing all the Federal Agencies that get Firearms training; (Note that is is from 2007, BEFORE the Obama Administration):
Federal Law Enforcement Basic Training

Note that the Department of Commerce, National Marine Fisheries Service and the Social Security Administration OIG OI are on there.

Now here's the problem: Fed Biz Opps only lists solicitations from the last 365 days.

Obviously, Federal Agencies have bought ammunition for their armed agents before this year. BUT IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to reasearch Federal ammunition purchases for the last 10 or last 20 years, make a graph, and try to make some arguement that purchases in the last month have been abnormal, not mine.

I'm going to go with the crazy, out-there assumption that Federal Agencies with armed LEO have been periodically buying ammunition for decades. You can find evidence to disprove it if you like.

56 posted on 08/15/2012 10:46:49 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: colorado tanker
SSA has a criminal investigation unit. http://oig.ssa.gov/about-oig/careers

NOAA also has an enforcement unit, primarily focused on enforcing fisheries laws.

Ok, but don't they deal with administrative crime?

Seriously, how many Social Security criminals shoot outs have there been. ADA's and paralegals in the District Attorney's office don't carry.

As for NOAA's crappie cops, most of their work involves referrals from state Wildlife and Fish cops. What do they need guns for?

This whole arming of every damn Fed agency since 2001 has gotten waaay out of hand. Even hospitals have arms lockers, and I can tell you they're not closely watched if I spotted then from a gurney on the way to a CAT scan.

57 posted on 08/15/2012 10:52:08 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: bgill
Americans Are Snatching Up Russian AK-47s In record Numbers
58 posted on 08/15/2012 10:54:30 AM PDT by blam
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To: CodeToad

or perhaps they’re going to start issuing Desert Eagles. That reminds me, I want a Desert Eagle.


59 posted on 08/15/2012 10:59:24 AM PDT by RC one
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To: ConservativeInPA

It’s an IDIQ solicitation.

If you don’t already know what IDIQ means, then you (and anyone else) has no business even commenting on the DHS solicitation. The problem is this whole non-story is based on people like Alex Jones who don’t know what an IDIQ is reading something they are not qualified to understand.

Anyway, it’s not an actual order for 1.2 billion rounds of ammo. The actual contracts awarded are likely to be be for much smaller quantities.

They just put in really enormous possible maximum numbers for each type of ammunition so there’s absolutely NO chance that the number needed for each type is exceeded. They asked each agency for their own absolute-maximum need and then ADDED all of those up (and if you work for a particular LE agency under DHS, the last thing you do is give them a number that you have ANY chance of exceeding, because then you are screwed, and there are no negative consequences for giving a high number.)

So that’s how you get 1.2 billion. It’s not a “real” number and nothing remotely close to that number of rounds will actually be purchased.


60 posted on 08/15/2012 11:00:55 AM PDT by Strategerist
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