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There is no California
Townhall.com ^ | August 16, 2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 08/16/2012 3:46:36 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/16/2012 3:46:40 AM PDT by Kaslin
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California needs to be fixed. They are the 8th largest World Economy. America cannot afford to let California die. We obviously can’t afford to let them go down the road they are on. Something drastic has to be done....what is that? I wish I knew. But the bottom line is, We cannot allow them to fail!!!!


2 posted on 08/16/2012 3:50:39 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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To: Kaslin

That man has talent for putting things into perspective...


3 posted on 08/16/2012 3:53:30 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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The fiscally sane states will end up bailing the rat-run bankrupt states.


4 posted on 08/16/2012 3:54:49 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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When the power grid fails or rotating power outages of significant length become the norm and when the available power is ten times more expensive than today, how long will the veneer of California civilization remain?


5 posted on 08/16/2012 3:59:21 AM PDT by Truth29
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The fiscally sane states will end up bailing the rat-run bankrupt states.

Yep. But the reason will be because there is no other option. If we let them fail then the country will fail.


6 posted on 08/16/2012 4:01:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Attention Republican National Convention voters....Santorum/Bachmann 2012! Dump liberal Romney NOW!)
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>> California needs to be fixed. They are the 8th largest World Economy. America cannot afford to let California die.

That’s the right kind of attitude!


7 posted on 08/16/2012 4:02:59 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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IIRC, and if wrong I would like to know; didn't the CA supreme court shoot down a law some 25 years ago that denied public school education to illegals?
8 posted on 08/16/2012 4:13:26 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obamacare - Constitutional Despotism)
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‘’’ But the bottom line is, We cannot allow them to fail!!!!

Why not? Too big to fail? :)


9 posted on 08/16/2012 4:15:32 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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“The result is that we are left with mostly liberal students angry at mostly liberal policies of a mostly liberally governed state.”

Sums it up well for CA and Greece.

http://townhall.com/columnists/victordavishanson/2012/03/15/whos_to_blame_for_california

10 posted on 08/16/2012 4:17:49 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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The fiscally sane states will end up bailing the rat-run bankrupt states.

Yep. But the reason will be because there is no other option. If we let them fail then the country will fail.

Methinks one of the earlier Federalist papers (#6 or #8) has something to say about this. Will return to it tonight.

Cheers!

11 posted on 08/16/2012 4:20:21 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: napscoordinator
And why not/

Unfortunately it seems that the only way for a politician to learn anything is for him to personally fail - big time.

California's problems didn't just spring from the earth overnight. It has been building for the last 20 - 30 years that I know about. If I can see it from Florida after being stationed in California for four years it must be very obvious.

Yes, California's crash will be very painful for me at many levels. But, I see no tectonic shifts in California's direction at any time without it.

Have you ever considered that as California goes so go the rest of us?

12 posted on 08/16/2012 4:20:29 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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On the coast, it's politically incorrect to talk of illegal immigration. In the interior

While this not the sole reason for CA's demise it is the overwhelming reason. It is also what is facing the US at large. Unless this can be addressed and rectified CA will continue to languish and deconstruct. As mentioned CA going down is no small matter it will effect us all.

13 posted on 08/16/2012 4:22:03 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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-——We cannot allow them to fail!!!!-——

Though I certainly do not want to see them fail, we are the “United States of America “ 50 sovereign states ....if they are failing “they” need to fix themselves ....

By bailing them out we only enable them to continue to fail....

When the libtards in CA do not have electricity or can no longer buy food, maybe their brains might actually engage ....

Never heard that Rhode Island is too small to fail....


14 posted on 08/16/2012 4:22:28 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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The worst thing you can do for an entity is deny it the right to learn from its own stupidity.
15 posted on 08/16/2012 4:26:59 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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“The result is that we are left with mostly liberal students angry at mostly liberal policies of a mostly liberally governed state.”

And they blame it on conservatives.

16 posted on 08/16/2012 4:27:06 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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We MUST allow them to fail.

That is the only way to fix California.


17 posted on 08/16/2012 4:37:14 AM PDT by agere_contra (Vote ABO. Don't choose the Greater Evil and then boast about how principled you are)
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Tragic read. Especially coming from Victor, who has witnessed and accurately described the decline and dichotomy of his home state.

This is what they’ll do to the rest of the country if we let them.


18 posted on 08/16/2012 4:37:44 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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We cannot allow them to fail!!!!

Why not? Seems to me that allowing california to wallow in the pig sty that it is making of itself would be the absolute best thing for the country.

A lot of liberals need to learn about the real world. And living in the third world hell hole they are making of themselves would do it I think.

The only redeeming qualities I've seen from California in a long time are the presence there of Freerepublic (which could be moved to a more sane state), The navy base in San Diego and a couple of air bases. The navy base can't be moved, but everything else could be (and should be moved to lower cost sane states)

19 posted on 08/16/2012 4:38:56 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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America cannot afford to let California die.

There is little America can do for California. The saying goes this way: the first generation earns the money, the second generation manages to keep it, and the third generation spends it all. California is in the fourth generation now. The money's been spent, but the lifestyle goes on. This is happening where I live, Illinois.

All the wealth built up in a low/no-tax and low/no-regulation environment has been eaten up. The principle is gone, but America didn't do that. You and I didn't vote these policies. The Welfare State is the utopian dream of the rich and ignorant (not necessarily the same).

What can America do to reign in the policies implemented at the state and local level in California? What policy should we put in place? You're right that California is critical to America, but you have now generations of people trained not to work. They've never had to strive for anything, so they don't know how. Everything has been given to them. To run against that is to lose election after election.

Here's my proposed solution. Add ten states to the union. Take the top ten urban counties and make them their own states with the remainder of the existing counties remaining as their own state. In this way you could unburden the suburbs and countryside and allow them to thrive outside the undo influence of city liberals. What do you think?

Three generations from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves. - Andrew Carnegie

20 posted on 08/16/2012 4:40:17 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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