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Why I Will Vote for Romney-Ryan in November
http://www.freerepublic.com/~mkjessup/ | 17 August 2012 | Mark Jessup (aka mkjessup)

Posted on 08/17/2012 3:40:53 PM PDT by mkjessup

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To: mkjessup
You will write and post a vanity in service and devotion to Mitt Romney, your participation at FR seems to be childish, trivial, and troll like, as you mock it and it's conservative identity and purpose.

Post after troll like post comes from you, not saying anything of substance, or persuasion, but more like a kids copying of what he thinks Bill Maher does as a devotee of Obama.

Mitt Romney and his politics, own you, you have become so devoted to his candidacy, that you post vanities in his honor, and to his cause.

Mitt Romney, who considers William Weld his mentor, you have come a long way since you signed up for this forum, now you are connected to William Weld politically.

When asked who he identified most with politically, Mitt Romney answered: “I think Bill Weld comes as close as anyone,” he said when asked whom in his party he aligned with. “I think Bill Weld’s fiscal conservatism, his focus on creating jobs and employment and his efforts to fight discrimination and assure civil rights for all is a model that I identify with and aspire to.”

You've come a long way baby, since you signed up, keep lecturing us here at freerepublic, keep striving to turn us into William Weld and Mitt Romney.

341 posted on 08/19/2012 11:50:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

We all have to see what happens next, between January ‘13 and January ‘17, before knowing what’s best for conservatives and conservatism.
***No we don’t have to. Your argument is invalid, an argument from silence. The silence in this case being the future. You argue from what you know, not what you don’t know. And in this case what we do know is that Romney is a lying, gun-grabbing, babykilling statist.


342 posted on 08/19/2012 1:34:40 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: ansel12; SamAdams76; exit82; OrangeHoof; MEG33; BeauBo; mountainfolk; Ditter; rbmillerjr; woofie; ..
First of all *ping* to my many FRiends who have graciously responded and posted in this thread. I believe you would find Ansel12's post #341 'interesting' and I invite your comments in addition to my own below, so let's get started:

Ansel12 writes in his latest screed:

You will write and post a vanity in service and devotion to Mitt Romney, your participation at FR seems to be childish, trivial, and troll like, as you mock it and it's conservative identity and purpose.

So what of the many FReepers (who outnumber you in this thread) that have agreed with me, supported me, and have chosen to close ranks and unite in a common purpose, which is to defeat 0bama in November? Are they also childen, are their beliefs trivial, are they also 'trolls'?

You are a fool.

Post after troll like post comes from you, not saying anything of substance, or persuasion, but more like a kids copying of what he thinks Bill Maher does as a devotee of Obama.

I have had plenty to say, and I daresay there is more than enough substance, evidenced by the numbers of my fellow FReepers who have come forward. You choose to ignore what is inconvenient or impossible for you to respond to. I am no troll, I've been here on FR longer than you have Sparky, and I recognize that as another FReeper stated upthread, "survival trumps ideology", you however would choose to not only refuse to bail water to keep the boat from sinking, you would begin hacking holes in the hull with an axe because you didn't like the owner of the boat. Again I say, you are a fool.

Mitt Romney and his politics, own you, you have become so devoted to his candidacy, that you post vanities in his honor, and to his cause.

You are a liar. I have posted ONE and only one vanity (this thread you keep returning to), and my posts are based on the reality you deny, which is that if we as conservatives refuse to close ranks and vote for the only candidates who have a good chance of defeating 0bama, it will be upon our shoulders and it will be to our everlasting shame if that despicable Communist is returned for another term in the White House. If Mitt Romney and his politics "own" me, then they also own Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Rick Perry and Paul Ryan as well. Condemn them as well, I dare you. Curse them and call them every name you can think of. Apply the same standard to them, they who are in the public arena and understand the risk of a second 0bama term.

Mitt Romney, who considers William Weld his mentor, you have come a long way since you signed up for this forum, now you are connected to William Weld politically. When asked who he identified most with politically, Mitt Romney answered: “I think Bill Weld comes as close as anyone,” he said when asked whom in his party he aligned with. “I think Bill Weld’s fiscal conservatism, his focus on creating jobs and employment and his efforts to fight discrimination and assure civil rights for all is a model that I identify with and aspire to.”

Tell us this Ansel12, if you were in the voting booth and faced with the choice of 0bama-Biden for a second term, or William Weld and Paul Ryan, who would you vote for?

You've come a long way baby, since you signed up, keep lecturing us here at freerepublic, keep striving to turn us into William Weld and Mitt Romney.

I am going to state this as clearly as I can now, so pay close attention:

You are a fool living in a delusion of your own making. Your hatred for Romney has blinded you to the real and tangible threat posed by the potential re-election of 0bama.

You seem to think that conjuring up the name and image of 'William Weld' that it somehow lends credence to your deranged belief that Romney is just as much a threat to our Nation as is 0bama, but your continued diatribes have made it abundantly clear that in fact YOU have become a political Harold Camping, predicting the end of the world as we know it if conservatives choose to vote against 0bama by voting for Romney & Ryan. Your manic shrieks of outrage and angst are the outbursts of someone not entirely stable.

I stand by every word that I have posted in this thread, and I will do as I have said I will do, I will vote the GOP ticket in November, and I will do that not out of some 'devotion' as you call it, to Mitt Romney, I will do it because my Nation demands it of me, my conscience requires it of me, and you can go slink off into a corner and pout if you wish, I'm fighting under the banner of "0bama Must Be Defeated", your continued mewling serves only the objectives of those who want to see 0bama returned to Office, and I hope you'll ultimately wake up from your self-imposed Romney-hating stupor and understand that.

Meanwhile, step aside Harold, as the rest of us have a war to fight to remove 0bama from OUR White House.
343 posted on 08/19/2012 1:59:55 PM PDT by mkjessup (To paraphrase Sir Winston: "if 0bama invaded Hell, I would put in a good word for the Devil")
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To: mkjessup
So what of the many FReepers (who outnumber you in this thread) that have agreed with me

Gosh, I'm outnumbered on a mkjessup, Mitt Romney thread, I'm supposed to be surprised at Mitt's fan base being attracted to one of his devotional threads by his most, personally hostile, aggressive devotee?

To quote a poster on your devotion thread, who did not agree with you.

To To: upchuck
My only comment is I will not vote FOR a known abortionist/homosexualist, gun-grabbing, big government socialist/statist. That would betray everything I believe in and promote. Would make a mockery of FR just as it’s making a mockery of the GOP as a conservative political force.

Romney as a conservative is a complete fraud.

Here’s the proof of that from his own mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU&feature=player_embedded

64 posted on Fri Aug 17 2012 16:43:39 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)

344 posted on 08/19/2012 2:27:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP goes for it's "conservative" Presidential candidates.)
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To: mkjessup; SamAdams76; exit82; OrangeHoof; MEG33; BeauBo; mountainfolk; Ditter; rbmillerjr; ...
Well, ansel12 can say whatever he wants to about "William Weld."

All I have to say is (speaking as a life-long citizen of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts): William Weld was a damned sight better than 0Bama's soulmate, Deval Patrick.

I dunno. It seems to me that some folks around here are suffering from a lack of sense of proportion....

But at the end of the day, mk, I think they mean well — even though we disagree that they are "doing well."

The standard criterion of "wellness" being: the well-being of our constitutional Republic, which only a blind person cannot see is under the gravest attack/threat since the days of Joseph Stalin....

This time, the attack comes from the INSIDE.

I have not the slightest doubt that 0Bama is working fulltime/overtime to IMPLODE the American system from within. Just as his mentors Cloward and Pivins instructed him, using the "playbook" of Saul Alinsky to get that result "done."

His White House is a cesspool of moral depravity.

And yet some folks around here think ROMNEY is the problem????

To me, such an assessment defies logic, reason, and experience!

Oh well....

May God continue to bless America — because some of US at least aren't doing our jobs as citizens!

JMHO FWIW

345 posted on 08/19/2012 2:28:07 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: mkjessup; betty boop

” I will vote the GOP ticket in November, and I will do that not out of some ‘devotion’ as you call it, to Mitt Romney, I will do it because my Nation demands it of me, my conscience requires it of me.”

Amen!


346 posted on 08/19/2012 3:03:08 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: betty boop

“I have not the slightest doubt that 0Bama is working fulltime/overtime to IMPLODE the American system from within. Just as his mentors Cloward and Pivins instructed him, using the “playbook” of Saul Alinsky to get that result “done.”

Why all cannot see this is frightening...I knew what a Marxist Obama was before he was elected..I had no idea he could bring this country down so far so fast.

God help us save our beloved Republic.

DEFEAT THE OBAMANATION


347 posted on 08/19/2012 3:14:36 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: ansel12; All
So what of the many FReepers (who outnumber you in this thread) that have agreed with me
Gosh, I'm outnumbered on a mkjessup, Mitt Romney thread, I'm supposed to be surprised at Mitt's fan base being attracted to one of his devotional threads by his most, personally hostile, aggressive devotee?


"personally hostile and aggressive"?

Pot, kettle, black.

Once again, you can quote JimRob until the cows come home, you're not going to bait anyone, least of all me to say one critical word regarding our Founder, who instituted that 'truce' that you seem determined to break. You talk about trolls, look in the mirror. You have exhibited nothing but obsessive and compulsive behavior in your returning time and time again to post the same drivel with absolutely nothing new under the sun. If anything, you are convincing more and more people that to close ranks behind Romney & Ryan is indeed, the conservative thing to do, because a true thinking and dedicated conservative already knows that Job One is to defeat 0bama, which to you is obviously a secondary goal.

So once again will you vote to defeat 0bama by voting the GOP ticket, or will your default be to support the Kenyan usurper's bid for a second term?
348 posted on 08/19/2012 3:33:28 PM PDT by mkjessup (To paraphrase Sir Winston: "if 0bama invaded Hell, I would put in a good word for the Devil")
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To: MEG33

Obama has a lot of help (and still does) from George Soros and his money; and Soros’ funded groups.

However, I credit Rush Limbaugh and all the surrogates conservative radio created .. because they have been steadily educating and informing the public. I’ve lost count of all the people who have called Rush and told him how they used to be a liberal, but after listening to him, they totally changed their minds.

I keep wondering if people are giving true info in the polls. I believe that happened in the 2004 election, and the left was stunned when Bush got 4,000,000 more votes.

The Silent Majority strikes again.


349 posted on 08/19/2012 3:35:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt

Rush has been a great help to the conservative cause.
I pray people wake up..I see people posting that this will be a landslide vote against Obama..We cannot assume anything.

The polls do not reflect this..NO complacency!

Every vote counts..


350 posted on 08/19/2012 3:46:05 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: MEG33; All

Speaking of polls .. let us be reminded that during the 2000 election, the dem polsters were padding the polling data with 12-14% MORE DEMOCRATS, along with more independents who also “leaned democrat”.

During the 2004 election, the dem polsters upped the ante and used 16-18% MORE DEMOCRATS, along with more independents who were also “leaning democrat”.

This is why the dems were so surprised when Bush won a second term. The idiots believed their own lying polsters.

I can’t help but believe the same tactics are being applied this time around. The only polling with Romney slightly ahead but still lagging .. is Rasmussen, and I suspect people are lying about how they vote.

Also, remember too that when a polster uses “adults” - these are usually younger people who are not even registered to vote.

Other polsters use “registered voters”, but people can lie about that status too.

“Likely voters” seems to be the only category which is more accurate.

Besides, Rasmussen keeps saying that it’s still very early and the polls should be more conclusive after both camps have their conventions.

I guess we’ll find out.


351 posted on 08/19/2012 5:10:09 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt

I know it is early to take the polls too seriously..

I just don’t want anyone to think this will be a sure thing..It isn’t IMHO


352 posted on 08/19/2012 5:34:44 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: CyberAnt

PS I only pay attention to polls using likely voters and consider Rasmussen the most reliable.

When I can find them..I love to find comparable polls on this approximate date in previous elections and compare with actual outcomes..

No time lately to do so.
Getting rid of Obamanation and his administration is SO important!

Beat Obama


353 posted on 08/19/2012 5:58:01 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: Kevmo

We are in agreement about Mitt Romney and his pro-leftist positions on many issues, up to the present day. Mitt’s unacceptable! But, even Mitt Romney COULD end up changing his ways and shifting to the right, on many issues, especially if Mitt knows that he wouldn’t be POTUS for more than one term, otherwise. I’m NOT saying that Mitt will, definitely, become a true small government conservative POTUS. I’m, just, saying that change is possible. If the next Congress (both, House and Senate), and everything else political and judicial all the way down to the most local levels of government, becomes much more conservative, overall, and much less leftist/RINO/Establishment Republican/Elitist Republican, overall, then this would help boost the long-term future of U.S. conservatism a lot.


354 posted on 08/19/2012 7:09:29 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: mkjessup

Sanity is a struggle for some. I comfort myself with the knowledge that not a single conservative that I know in real life has that attitude. It’s a mindset shared by a de minimums # of people on FR. And for him to call you a troll is laughable, it was only a short while ago you shared his opinion on not voting for Romney. You suddenly assumed troll status when you decided you had to steel yourself to vote for the only hope for the future of the country?


355 posted on 08/19/2012 7:40:41 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“If Mitt Romney screws up as president, then what will conservative voters DO in 2016? Will there be a final candidate for the GOP POTUS in 2016 that, really, is a decent conservative, too, or will there, only, be Mitt Romney running for a second term?”

IF he wins this fall. Then no matter how poorly he does as POTUS, he will run for reelection in 2016. Once again, out of “partly loyalty” he will have a lock on being the candidate. However, he will have to run against Hillary in 2016, and she is much smarter than Obama, but as liberal/leftest/marxist, that is a dangerous combination. She will be able to defeat Romney easily IF he does poorly.

Because the public think Romney is “conservative”....they will blame his failure on “consevatism” and wreck this countries future.

IF there were a mechanism where Hillary could substitute of Obama in this 2012 election....she could beat Romney easily. IF Obama loses, it will be because of him being so hated....not because Romney is “liked.” Romney is no more “likeable” than he is conservative.


356 posted on 08/19/2012 8:00:28 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ansel12

“You’ve come a long way baby, since you signed up, keep lecturing us here at freerepublic, keep striving to turn us into William Weld and Mitt Romney.”...to mkjessup

...and you are lecturing and striving to turn us into Barrack Hussein Obama ?


357 posted on 08/19/2012 8:28:05 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: BeauBo; ansel12; mkjessup; Dr. Sivana; SoConPubbie; sargon; sickoflibs; LibLieSlayer; ...
BeauBo:

Within at least three posts, you have claimed an 88% rating for Mittler from the ACU. I had never been aware that the ACU had EVER rated governors and Taxachusetts governor is the only office Mittler ever held (until his 34% approval rating drove him from office). I went to the ACU home page and found reference to ratings for US Senate, US House, and six state legislatures (Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, California, Georgia and Colorado) but no governors. BTW, many years ago, I was a state chair of an ACU affiliate in a state bordering Massachusetts. That proves nothing in itself but I would make two observations: First, John Ashbrook's American Conservative Union and David Keene's ACU were entirely different things as the National Rifle Association now chaired by Keene will find out to its detriment. Second, rating even state legislators much less governors is likely beyond the competence of ACU's staff, giving them every benefit of the doubt. At least with state legislators, their voting records and their bills may be reviewed not unlike Congress or Senate. Massachusetts has an (old colonial era institution) elected Governor's Council which affects gubernatorial actions in many ways not readily discernible to outsiders.

I am the first to admit that I lack computer skills but perhaps you can point me to how I can find internet confirmation that the ACU EVER rated Governor Romney at all, much less at 88%. Are you talking about a state affiliate in Massachusetts? Again point me in the right direction to obtain confirmation. I am not doubting your integrity though I do question your wisdom and your analysis of what constitute reasons to go to political war especially for the likes of Romney. I DO absolutely question Romney's integrity and everything else about him and that goes for both of his now deceased parents as well. Romney's daddy became part of the antiwar left while running for POTUS in 1968 as a stalking horse for Nelson Rockefeller (who never became antiwar) and while Mittens was following the family tradition of avoiding military service by choosing his military draft eligible years to run off to France as a missionary. None of his five sons have served and neither did his daddy.

You characterize Mittler as a "squeaky clean choir boy for a politician." How about a more accurate description? He is and always has been a money-obsessed unprincipled sleazy whore EVEN for a politician and one who never saw a social issue whether babies, guns, marriage, education or whatever on which he was meaningfully distinguishable in policy from Ted Kennedy. It is true that Myth Romney never drove a girl off the Chappaquiddick Bridge and left her to drown.

I understand the argument of some that absolutely ANYTHING has to be to Obozo's right although a Romney presidency, in my estimation, will permanently destroy the GOP and, with it, our nation. I cannot imagine any actual conservative supporting Myth Romney if that conservative is familiar with the details of Romneycare.

Reagan's ex-wife Jane Wyman (probably in later years a far better person than Nancy) was asked by lame stream media in 1980 to tell them about Ronaldus Maximus (most politicos knew that their approximately 1948 divorce had been a nasty bloodbath). Wyman responded to their shock and horror that Ronnie is was a very fine man and that the USA would be blessed to have him as POTUS. If you posted suggesting that he was libertarian during the divorce period, he was not. Any libertarianism on Reagan's part stemmed from his Hollywood background where abortions and sexual perversion were more commonplace than most moviegoers knew. He had a certain tolerance for such things without being a cheerleader for either. By 1948 he was testifying before HUAC against Hollywood communist influence although his circle of friends and allies included ex-communists Sterling Hayden and John Garfield among others.

The last sentence of your second paragraph is the very definition of Romney as a money-obsessed unprincipled whore as noted above.

Finally, I am often in disagreement with Ansel12 over issues of our respective faiths. I am a Catholic and he is a Reformed Christian. Both of us are more than a bit textured in our respective faith commitments. OTOH, I have found ansel12 to be a thoroughly honest FReeper and worthy and principled opponent here even when he disagrees with my point of view. Ansel12 has earned that reputation here over a long posting history.

If you imagine that this post is the product of "irrational hatred," so be your belief and I will tend to view you through the prism you are earning accordingly.

358 posted on 08/19/2012 9:20:02 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: BeauBo; ansel12
BeauBo:

That article you linked from Human Events does not reference a rating of Mitt Romney as Governor but rather the average of the ACU ratings of Congresscritters who endorsed Romney. It is not Mittler's ACU rating. Don't you agree?

I don't think you are a liar. You just don't know what you are talking about unless you have something else to link on Romney's "ACU rating."

359 posted on 08/19/2012 10:12:08 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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To: woofie
Romney CLAIMS to have become "pro-life" in 2004 when confronted with the unlikely conversion issue of embryonic stem cell research. He CLAIMS to have become "pro-life" when suddenly (after all those years) he realized that the embryo was a human being. In 2006 (two years AFTER he CLAIMED to have become "pro-life") this "pro-life" Romney of two years standing signed Romneycare into law. Romneycare provided for any and all abortions (no matter how complicated or expensive) to be funded by Romneycare with no more than a $50 co-pay by the "mother," and provided a permanent place on its board of directors for Planned Barrenhood. At the signing he is photographed yukking it up in triumph with Ted Kennedy and other pro-abort Demonrat leaders.

Mittler displays no genuine humility and no genuine gratitude as to the abortion issue. He is a stone liar as evidenced by the last paragraph's chronological time line. He is, as ever, Governor Etch-a-Sketch. The GOP-e noise machine lies on his behalf. His history is his history. It is not pretty. Serious actual pro-lifers do not care to be lied to by card-carrying members of the GOP's ruling class of liars like Myth Romney.

If your post references remarks by Gary Bauer, Bauer should be ashamed of himself.

360 posted on 08/19/2012 10:34:20 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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