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Prolife Except in the Case of Rape?
Eternal Perspective Ministries ^ | Randy Alcorn

Posted on 08/23/2012 8:53:35 PM PDT by Dead Dog

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To: entropy12

Moral cowardous is what gave us 2006 and 2008. It is the reason we are fighting for survival now.

Bitch about amature hour conservatives all you want, but if the RNC actually displayed imprimis, the amatures would never have been needed.

Nixon
Ford
Bush
Dole
Bush
McCain

How’s this working for yah?


21 posted on 08/23/2012 9:57:08 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: entropy12
Moral cowardice is what gave us 2006 and 2008. It is the reason we are fighting for survival now.

Bitch about armature hour conservatives all you want, but if the RNC actually displayed imprimis, the armatures would never have been needed.

Nixon
Ford
Bush
Dole
Bush
McCain

How's this working for yah?

22 posted on 08/23/2012 9:57:50 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: generally
I agree. Laws only address the symptom. This has to be fought in peoples minds.

My point in this only to point out that Akin’s comments were not unsupported.

We can't cut and run on every conservative (and Akin is solid conservative) that gives the left a opportunity to lie.

The last national politician to advance conservatism was Newt, and the GOP dumped him for Denny Hasert. Then they rolled on Tom Delay. It's a patern.

23 posted on 08/23/2012 10:09:21 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog; generally

If that were true then we could “decriminalize” murder, theft, drunk driving, etc. and put everything on the honor system. Laws are an important way of enforcing morality in a society. Especially in a society that seems to be becoming less religious, it’s even more important to get the laws right, because that’s the only disincentive to destructive behavior that some people will have.


24 posted on 08/23/2012 10:11:49 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: JediJones

“Especially in a society that seems to be becoming less religious..”

We’re on the same page. There is no freedom without Christ.


25 posted on 08/23/2012 10:14:07 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog

while I know I am going to catch hell for this here..

If we could limit abortion to just rape and incest it would be a huge step in the right direction.

However, I would not stop there.

Many pro lifers (I am one as well) want a all or nothing fix to “legal” abortion.

I suggest we use the democrat play book and just take every small limit on abortion we can until we get to our ultimate goal. 100% outlaw of it.


26 posted on 08/23/2012 10:27:17 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Java4Jay

No, the unborn should have the same contitutional right to life as those who have been born. States should not have the right to allow the murder of anyone.


27 posted on 08/23/2012 10:49:03 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("The cross opens its arms to the four winds; it is a signpost for free travelers." GK Chesterton)
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To: Dead Dog

Personally? No complains. I am doing just fine!


28 posted on 08/23/2012 11:02:09 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will grow cancer in your body.)
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To: DManA

No, not at all, you nailed it but I was just trying to answer your question as to why they would defend this guy even though it means we would lose the seat to a pro abort. Maybe I need a personal editor as well as spell check to write a coherent thought!


29 posted on 08/24/2012 12:28:18 AM PDT by ynotjjr (Romney/Ryan 2012 It's called the Constitution. Learn it, live it, love it!)
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To: generally

I heard a prolifer once say that the ultimate victory would be to have an abortion clinic on every corner and they’d be empty.

BTW, love your tagline. LOL.


30 posted on 08/24/2012 1:17:09 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: cableguymn
I agree with you. I'm as pro life as it comes, but in order to lower the rate to a few hundred, maybe a couple of thousand, from in excess of millions, I would accept rape and incest exceptions if the mother gives a DNA sample of the fetus to the police. If it matches her boyfriend and the baby is aborted, she made a false charge to the police. If it's incest, arrest the bastid!

I know the baby was not at fault and why should he pay for a rapist crime, but I know the victim could have real trouble carrying the baby to term and she has gone through enough. If "Life of the mother" is claimed, a panel of 3 doctors from separate offices should concur. If it's found they colluded for money or activism, then they lose their license.

With 50 million casualties so far, I would gladly settle for a few thousand until we can get the full law passed. To allow no abortions at all will never pass muster, IMO. Better to save some than none.

31 posted on 08/24/2012 1:37:08 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: JediJones

I think there is a huge difference between abortion and the other crimes you mention. That difference is that if you took a poll and asked people “Should X be legal or illegal?” with abortion you would get a major split. With the other crimes, I doubt you’d get too many people saying they should be legal.

In that sense, abortion is like drug use. Smoking pot is illegal, yet a huge percentage of adults have tried it. Why? Because they don’t think it’s a big deal.

Speeding is illegal (though not criminal). Do you know any drivers who *always* obey the speed limit?

Laws will stop some people, but not all. Laws are really not ultimately what prevent people from behaving badly. Conscience is. Morality is. Laws help to keep honest and moral people in line, but they don’t stop the sociopaths. People continue to do what they feel they have the right to do, whether it is smoking pot, having an abortion, or driving over the limit.

Do you drive over the speed limit? Will passing another law stop you from doing that? I’m not trying to insult you, and I don’t disagree with your position on the issue. I’m just trying to give an example which perhaps puts you into the mindset of someone else who does disagree with you so you can see what might be effective to change their mind.

I think you would agree with me that the issue is more important than politics. If that is the case, then what matters is reducing the number of abortions, not the way that they are reduced. If we really want to have fewer abortions then the end result should be what matters, not whether we achieved it by passing laws or by encouraging people to make better moral choices regardless of the law.


32 posted on 08/24/2012 3:07:14 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Dead Dog

YES! This whole thing is so sickening. It is as though the left is a religion with child sacrifice as it’s form of worship. Mr. Akin has done NOTHING wrong, yet the GOP hierarchy is so afraid of the hedonistic press which owns nearly all the airways that they caved to that hedonism themselves. This kind of thing has consequences for our society far beyond any election. These are evil times, run by evil people. God will have the last word here and innocent people will suffer along with the guilty.


33 posted on 08/24/2012 3:35:31 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Dead Dog

thank you for this article! I am saving it on my computer and printing it out and putting it in my bible, too. As a former Catholic, I still abide with that Church’s teaching on life, and I am definitely pro-life. However, it is still very hard to come to terms with a child (a girl of 9 let’s say) bearing a pregnancy after rape or incest. The psychological damage of all of that (the rape/incest, the pregnancy) is huge, and it must be so heartbreaking! But, on the other hand, the innocent babe’s life is so precious, too.

Thank the Lord we have the power of prayer. That is usually the only thing that gets one thru any life issue.


34 posted on 08/24/2012 4:11:16 AM PDT by sassy steel magnolia (USAF life and Navy wife...God Bless the USA!)
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To: arrogantsob
A 3% chance per act would also mean almost every sexually active woman would be pregnant by the end of a year.

My friend, I fear you're neglecting one important fact: birth control.

35 posted on 08/24/2012 4:53:42 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity (A half-truth masquerading as the whole truth becomes a complete untruth. (J.I. Packer)
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To: chuckles

What is an”acceptable” rate of murder for, say, five year old children? Zero? Why should it be any different for children of any age? If our basis for rejecting abortion is that it is the unjustified, unexcused taking of a human life (aka murder), why should we grant an exception for certain forms of infanticide? It destroys our premise, and in so doing prolongs the coming of the day of our victory, for if the culture does not come to think of abortion as the murder of an innocent child, we will never get the critical mass to overcome the inertia of resistance in our legal and political systems. I accept at face value your desire to end the killing. I don’t believe becoming comfortable with some reduced level of murder will get you where you want to go. Not to mention the children whose deaths you are ok with. Given a chance, I’m betting they’d rather not be executed for doing nothing wrong.


36 posted on 08/24/2012 5:11:57 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ynotjjr

Thank you. I’ve been feeling kinda lonely the past few days.


37 posted on 08/24/2012 5:29:50 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Compromise is the first step of a defeated foe —or so we were taught by our US Army instructor.Another put it something like this compromise is a good umbrella but a poor roof.(My take is they believed it is useful if it is raining
and you’re afraid of getting wet. But a bad practice for the long run—nobody ever lives under an umbrella.)


38 posted on 08/24/2012 6:08:57 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: P-Marlowe

Beautifully said.


39 posted on 08/24/2012 6:16:11 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: Dead Dog
3. The violence of abortion parallels the violence of rape. One woman says, "When a woman exercises her right to control her own body in total disregard of the body of another human being, it is called abortion. When a man acts out the same philosophy, it is called rape."

 

Worth repeating.

 

3. The violence of abortion parallels the violence of rape. One woman says, "When a woman exercises her right to control her own body in total disregard of the body of another human being, it is called abortion. When a man acts out the same philosophy, it is called rape."

 

 

40 posted on 08/24/2012 9:56:40 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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