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1 posted on 08/29/2012 3:50:23 AM PDT by tobyhill
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Which, not incidentally, will pretty much kill off anything that isn’t a Volt, Prius, Leaf or similar - as these standards also apply to trucks and SUVs.


2 posted on 08/29/2012 3:52:32 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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The Communist/Marxist/Kenyan Tyrant will do to cars,
what he has done to gasoline and NASA.

They are to be ONLY for the Congress and Islam.


3 posted on 08/29/2012 3:57:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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Hey, why stop at 55? Why not go for 200mpg? If we’re gonna go for a pipe dream, let’s make it BIG!!


4 posted on 08/29/2012 3:58:21 AM PDT by SpartacusII
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Those kind of cars were being built in 1952.

Does anybody remember the King Midget? Or maybe the original Fiat 500? If made small enough, or light enough, with a really tiny power plant (say about twelve horsepower or so), four-wheeled vehicles CAN get mileage up in that range.

Not so good for the everyday chores of life, though. And really dreadful when it comes to merging with traffic on the Outer Loop around Washington, DC.


7 posted on 08/29/2012 3:58:53 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are you better off than you were four years ago? Well, are you?)
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Did no one tell him the Volt is out of production?


8 posted on 08/29/2012 4:03:43 AM PDT by jersey117
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The administration says that at most, it could be as high as $1,800 and would likely be offset by $8,000 in gas savings over the lifetime of the vehicle.

My Saturn is 16 years old and I haven't even spent $8,000 on gas for it. This is simply another central planning failure being implemented by Obama. Another one-size-fits-all program. More car owners will be retired and putting fewer miles on their cars (like me) and this program will simply cost them more money to drive a new car so we won't buy them.

12 posted on 08/29/2012 4:08:13 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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The first car I ever ownedgot 58 miles per gallon.
It was a 24HP Volkswagon Beetle and all that I could afford. Every vehicle that I’ve owned since has gotten progressively less miles per gallon.
My current vehicle gets about 12MPG.


13 posted on 08/29/2012 4:10:11 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The First Amendment is a large caliber weapon. USE IT !!!)
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With an eye to the looming presidential election, the White House touted the standards as a boost for middle-class consumers. "These fuel standards represent the single most important step we've ever taken to reduce our dependence on foreign oil," President Obama said.

This is Obama in a nutshell.

Middle-Class Consumers know what is good for them. Given a choice between an expensive car that gets fair milage and an expensive car that gets exceptional milage, most folks will do the math and buy the car that is cheapest to run. You can run a Chevy Malibu for the rest of your life and not save enough to recover the extra money you would have to pay for a Chevy Volt. Add in the time cost of money, the cost for increased maintenance and premature obsolescence, and you never get close to getting your money back.

Middle-Class Consumers understand this and are capable of making the best choice.

As far as reducing our dependence on foreign oil, how about letting us drill our own resources? How about Keystone XL? (Canada is not really what you would call foreign...)

15 posted on 08/29/2012 4:14:31 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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“The final rules mark the latest step in a lengthy campaign by the administration to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and oil consumption and are the highest fuel efficiency standards in U.S. history.”

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BS. These rules are meant to kill off the middle class.


16 posted on 08/29/2012 4:15:11 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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Renault 4! Problem solved.


20 posted on 08/29/2012 4:23:49 AM PDT by dinodino
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While automobile manufacturers welcomed the new rules, auto dealers decried them...

Auto makers love these rules because even though it increases their costs and limits their freedom, it protects them from competition. The only companies that will be able to compete at the 55 mpg level will be large manufacturers that have the engineering and research capabilities. The number of manufacturers will be reduced, many imports will be squeezed out (BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover, etc). They will have a captive market where they can charge whatever they want.

Of course, it won't work out that way.

Look at the Volt vs. the Chevy Malibu. The Malibu costs $23,000 and gets about 30 MPG. The Volt costs $52,000 and gets 55 MPG (I know, I know, but stick with me here...) That is an extra $29,000 a vehicle. In their dreams, the Auto Manufacturers think they are going to be able to charge $20,000 to $30,000 more per vehicle. What's not to love?

But nobody is buying the Chevy Volt. They know that if you drive 10,000 miles a year, that Volt is going to save you about $750 at the pump, and you are going to pay $250 of that back to your electric company. So at $500 a year, even without interest, it would take you 58 years to pay back the premium on the Volt. So people opt for the cheaper, less efficient alternative.

Once that alternative is legislated out of existance, they think we are going to be stuck paying the extra $29,000 for the Volt.

But people will just not do that. They will keep their old cars running forever or they will start driving trucks. But more likely still they will toss out the politicians who support such crap and eliminate the requirement.

24 posted on 08/29/2012 4:37:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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...require car makers to almost double the average gas mileage for passenger vehicles to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025...


Don’t worry about 2025. Most of us will be living under a Marxist Socialist society by then (thanks to the RINO GOP and their selection of a loser for the 2013 election) and very few will have private transportation then. We will all use public transportation mandated by the communist government.


29 posted on 08/29/2012 4:50:15 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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It’s going to force everyone to keep there cars longer. I used to buy a new vehicle every 4 years, now I keep them for 5 years. Looks like it’s going up to 6 or 7 years for me.


31 posted on 08/29/2012 4:55:59 AM PDT by NH Red
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Wise up, look behind the curtain, this is about government forcing the American people out of their cars and trucks. The Greens are driving this, man made global warming, and gaining control over who can drive.
32 posted on 08/29/2012 4:56:51 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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Don’t you love Central Planning!

Pray for America


33 posted on 08/29/2012 4:58:59 AM PDT by bray (The Gummit didn't make my business, God did!)
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Guess The First Dictator will get Californians to ride that ridiculous train-to-nowhere one way or another.


37 posted on 08/29/2012 5:07:46 AM PDT by txrefugee
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The Obama administration announced fuel economy standards Tuesday that would require car makers to almost double the average gas mileage for passenger vehicles to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.

Didn't Zero announce new fuel economy standards a few months ago? Someone must've figured out that some of the auto makers could actually hit that target. So the administration, predictably, moves the goal posts.

Despicable.

38 posted on 08/29/2012 5:08:13 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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“Stroke of the pen, law of the land.”

How did we ever come to this?


41 posted on 08/29/2012 5:21:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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Why not 75 mpg? Or 100 mpg?


42 posted on 08/29/2012 5:41:58 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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It’s just a hidden tax. Of course they can’t make what Americans want to drive and get those mpg’s. Thus, if it doesn’t, they have a solution. Pay a gas guzzler tax. Yet another “use tax” hidden in plain sight.


45 posted on 08/29/2012 5:47:29 AM PDT by phalynx
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