Posted on 09/14/2012 2:42:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Thanks for the ping.
Thanks for the ping.
They all read Zinn’s ‘People’s History’ - America/the West evil & Everyone else Good/Better.
Chomsky, what say ye on all this???
>>Glen Doherty, was part of a cohort working in Libya finding and destroying shoulder-fired rocket launchers. Who better than an American who had “gone native” to point them in the right direction?
If Obama hadn’t enabled the “rebels”, those weapons wouldn’t be out “in the wild”, would they? And we wouldn’t be so worried about that.
>>Gaddafi’s and Assad’s regimes killed Americans, and would do so again when in a position to do so. It is strange to see arguments here that we shouldn’t lift a finger to get rid of them.
While that is true, it is also true that Gaddafi coughed up his WMD program during Bush’s Administration, a fact you seem to have missed given the very light MSM coverage. You need to be on FR more, clearly. Gaddafi is a guy who “got it” once he saw what happened to Saddam Hussein, gave up his WMDs, and we threw that away for ARAB SPRING! DEMOCRACY! Kumbayah nonsense.
Do you really think that was prudent, from a Realpolitik standpoint? If so, why?
As far as Assad, I’m not sure why you bring him into this discussion. Though my attitude is there are no “good guys” involved there, either, at least we don’t have an embassy at stake.
I understand that this was taught at Piedmont High School (Western Civilization class) when Mr. Stevens was a student there.
There are many Jewish people in Piedmont.
Makes me wonder if Mr. Stevens was really paying attention.
I have a nephew just like this Steven’s guy. He is a liberal who loves the middle eastern culture, the people and the religion. He’s now living in Dubai and I pray every day for his safety and he that finally wakes up to reality before it’s too late.
Anyone have copies of the Wikileaks cables to which the article refers?
It does seem somewhat unusual that he would out of the embassy for 7/11. Whole thing seems awfully odd or evidence that the agencies our government relies on for info are incompetent,or that the analysts and government decision makers the agencies report to are not very bright.
Hope you know the answers to my questions,I am just very curious. Thanks
end of first sentence in the second para should read (unusual that he would be out of the embassy for 7/11.)
I am not sure they picked on him because just because he was Stevens. I think they picked on him because he was in a vulnerable location and easy to get to.
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Even his first name could have been enough “justification” to these tribalists for his murder.
Those Libyans have a strange way of showing their gratitude.
I thought Madeline Albright was the dumbest SoS we've ever had, but I think she has a rival now.
I thought Madeline Albright was the dumbest SoS we've ever had, but I think she has a rival now.
I would love the smell of napalm in the morning over Benghazi.
It would smell like......
... genocide?
This probably explains why the security was so lax. It probably traced right back to Stevens himself. He probably thought the natives loved him. He didn’t think he needed a bunch of imperialist stormtroopers, er, I mean, Marines, around for safety. His favorite moment at cocktail parties was probably when he revealed that he didn’t have a real security detail. Hillary probably backed him up on all of this. After all, it was a demonstration of their hip, un-Bushlike rapport with the Muslim world.
Until not so long ago, the Western world was pretty tribalistic as well.
The pre-modern West wasn't terribly different from the non-Western world today in that regard.
And today? Is the contrast between, say, Japan or Korea on the one hand and Holland or Sweden on the other really a contrast between savage tribalism and humane and healthy universalism?
No, it doesn't.
This was the consulate in Benghazi and Stevens was there temporarily.
For all we know security in the embassy in Tripoli was strict enough.
Tripoli:
I can't find a "before" picture of the consulate in Benghazi, but judging from the "after" pictures, it wasn't fortified.
Right, he was in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11 in an unsecured building with practically no security. That seems crazy until you factor in Stevens’ background. He thought he could get away with it because he thought was Jane Goodman amongst the gorillas.
But though Christopher Stevens may have studied Islam, he had learned very little about it, and so his final lesson was the bloody one that Westerners who never really learn what Islam is about end up receiving.
“The world needs more Chris Stevenses,” Hillary Clinton said, but does it really? Does it need more tall dead blond Americans lying bloodied in the gutters of Muslim cities? Does it need men who give up the hopes and dreams of their country to take on the dreams of their enemies without ever realizing where the fatal road of those dreams leads?
Stevens’ former Peace Corps colleague says of him, “Chris devoted his career, and life, to improving relations between the Arabic/Islamic world and the West.” That he did and he died doing it, losing whatever career or life he might have had if he had not embarked on a futile errand to make the Muslims who killed him and paraded around his body like him. And like all those who have died over the years in the same cause, the effort was to no avail.
“It’s especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save,” Obama said, repeating the same lie that he used to drag America into his illegal war. Benghazi was not in any need of saving, it was the Americans who came to Benghazi, like Chris Stevens, who needed saving.
That is the terrible blind spot in our vision which, like Christopher Stevens, tells us that we need to save the Muslims who hate us, rather than showing us that we need to save ourselves.
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