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1 posted on 09/17/2012 9:56:11 AM PDT by indpndtguy
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Sounds like the 0bama campaign is trying to write the story and tell it differently than it appears to have taken place.


2 posted on 09/17/2012 9:59:14 AM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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so, was he dragged through the streets ?


3 posted on 09/17/2012 9:59:17 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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Sorry but we now have video of the truth... and the truth is the truth.

LLS


4 posted on 09/17/2012 9:59:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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Totonto Star? You don’t suppose they are Obamugabe rump swabs do you, looking for anything to support the Obamugabe party line?


5 posted on 09/17/2012 10:00:31 AM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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Drove him.....OK so some other guy was being paraded through the streets. Yeah sure hhmmmm.


8 posted on 09/17/2012 10:02:10 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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Ahmed Shams, a 22-year-old arts student who works with the two, said the group cried out “God is great” in celebration after discovering he wasn't’t dead. “We were happy to see him alive. The youth tried to rescue him. But there was no security, no ambulances, nothing to help,” he said.

How conveniently self-serving and fortuitous, but alas, unneeded because our President is as incompetent and impotent as anyone on the world diplomatic stage can get. One can only surmise that this reaction/cover-up explanation of the Allah Shout-outs is a holdover from a time when Ronnie, God Bless Him, Reagan would have would have sent the whole area (and miles around) to Allah personally via a cruise missile sortie numbering in the 100+ category.

9 posted on 09/17/2012 10:02:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Ahmed Shams, a 22-year-old arts student who works with the two, said the group cried out "God is great" in celebration after discovering he wasn't dead. "We were happy to see him alive. The youth tried to rescue him. But there was no security, no ambulances, nothing to help," he said.

Ok, same thing they said when the hijackjers slit throats of victims on 9-11. Must be an all-purpose cheer.

10 posted on 09/17/2012 10:03:57 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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The video I saw yesterday does not agree with this account. It is clear that the protestors are anticipating the presentation of Stevens’ body and when it is in fact presented through a window they all cheer and take photos of it with their cell phones. The body is treated like a trophy (which I’m sure it was to them).
It’s like the administration wants us to believe them and not our lying eyes...


11 posted on 09/17/2012 10:05:52 AM PDT by luv2ski
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And the post-mortem abuse of his body was done at the hospital, then? By his rescuers? By the doctors?

All the different SPIN stories are going to start to be really difficult to keep straight.


14 posted on 09/17/2012 10:15:54 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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At this point I honestly don’t know WHAT to believe. I’ve read about the rumors that he was raped and that his intestines were hanging out of his back but haven’t seen any photos or videos that confirm those rumors.

Obviously- from other news accounts- there were SOME people in Libya supportive of Stevens and his mission- whether any of them were anywhere to be found that horrible night is not known. Too much assumption- few too facts.

Another thing I find striking- there’s almost no information telling us how the other three men died- what was done to them?


15 posted on 09/17/2012 10:16:12 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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Newspeak/doublespeak will drive us insane.

Understand: They hit the building with mortars and heavy automatic gunfire.....in order to save the near dead ambassador.

And the powers that be actually think the public is so unconscious so as to swallow this.

16 posted on 09/17/2012 10:16:42 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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The “spontaneous” demonstration that Susan Rice spoke of, didn't happen. There was no demonstration at all, according to intelligence reports.

Wag the Dog.

No Marines in the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi.
Marines in Tripoli were unarmed.
Ambassador arrives in Benghazi that very day.
Anniversary of 9/11.

Giving all due to Hillary Clinton, believing all this evidence is “spontaneous, and over a youtube video, requires “a willing suspension of disbelief.”

17 posted on 09/17/2012 10:17:11 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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Wonder if the State Dept. cremated his remains before returning him to this country?


18 posted on 09/17/2012 10:17:43 AM PDT by ryderann
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Even in the best medical facility, a person presenting with smoke inhalation doesn’t have good survival odds.


19 posted on 09/17/2012 10:17:48 AM PDT by fso301
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And we should believe this because....? Ass- sociated Press, Oh, Ok.
22 posted on 09/17/2012 10:19:57 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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How are we going to find out the truth of this?.

Do we really believe that when terrorists ran through this safe house and found a dying American victim of their attack, they rushed to treat him kindly and preserve his life? That they yelled Allah Akbar (holy crap, the iPad auto corrected with caps! They don’t do that with G-d) at his signs of life, and took him to the HOSPITAL? There may be kindly Muslims in the town, but how would they be the first people walking into a terrorist attacked building??


23 posted on 09/17/2012 10:26:33 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Maggie Michael / The Associated Press: "witnesses told the Associated Press on Monday"

Hmm, remember what Maggie wrote on Sept. 12?

BENGHAZI, Libya – "The U.S. dispatched an elite group of Marines to Tripoli on Wednesday after the mob attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. Officials were investigating whether the rampage was a backlash to an anti-Islamic video with ties to Coptic Christians or a plot to coincide with the anniversary of the 9-11 terror attacks.

The mob attack on Tuesday — the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist strike in the U.S. — was initially presumed to have been a spontaneous act triggered by outrage over a movie called “Innocence of Muslims” that mocked Islam’s Prophet Muhammad that was produced in the U.S. and excerpted on YouTube. The amateurish video also drew protests in Cairo, where angry ultraconservatives climbed the U.S. Embassy’s walls, tore down an American flag and replaced it with an Islamic banner.

But a U.S. counterterrorism official said the Benghazi violence was “too co-ordinated or professional” to be spontaneous. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the incident publicly."


26 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:06 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NC, FL, VA, OH, NE1, IA = 272EV)
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I wish we had a media that could be trusted to sort this out and get to the bottom of it.

I’ve seen very little of the videos. What I’ve seen and read described could possibly fit this narrative, to a point.

I think it is possible that some on our side could misinterpret some of what we see. I think it is likely the other side is playing fast and loose with the truth.

But there could be some of both. It is quite possible that some arabs friendly to the united states came into the embassy, found his body, were happy he was alive, and drove him to the hospital.

It is likely that protestors, seeing his body drug out a window, would cheer because he was a victim.

It is possible he was sodomozed while he was in the embassy, or it is possible that story is not true.

(Not an embassy, I know). But what is clear is that our sovereign territory was overrun by our enemies, and the administration had no idea where their own ambassador was for hours. This is a failure of the highest order.

To the degree we get into arguments over whether the body was mistreated or abused, or whether people were shouting for or against us, we are distracted from making the important points.

Romney tried to make that point on the first night, and the media went into full-attack mode to squelch it. We need to focus on the simple truths and not allow ourselves to be further taken off-message:

Obama has a polyanish world-view that was just shattered by reality, where everybody loves us now, and we don’t need to worry about “terrorists”.

Obama has been bragging about his “success” in killing Osama, and bragging about the terror threat being over, and this no doubt has encouraged our enemies to prove him wrong.

Obama failed to provide adequate security at our facilities throughout the muslim world, probably because of his failure to understand the empathy the muslim world has for our country and our freedoms.

Obama failed to protect our people, to the point where they LOST our ambassador for hours. If they had kept track of where he was, they would have known he was in that compound, and could have sent marines in to get him, and he probably would have gotten much better medical treatment and survived.

Frankly, that is the totally unreported story: Obama had NO IDEA where the ambassador was, so they didn’t know to go rescue him from this building. We now know he was not killed in the attack, and was instead slowly dying of damage from smoke inhalation. That is treatable in many cases; if we knew where he was, we could have saved him. Obama’s failure cost him his life.

Obama focused on the wrong things. Our Egyption embassy releasing an overblown denunciation of some crackpot youtube video was an excellent EXAMPLE of this, as was Hillary’s official US pronunciation against the same video. This is not government’s job. While they went after a you-tube video, people were dying. There were three attacks in Afghanistan, in addition to all the rioting at our embasssies.

And far from acknowleding failure, the adminstration bizarrely announced that the violence was NOT spilling over into Afghanistan, even while our main compound was breached, and another terrorist given free access to our inner workings turned on us and killed peopole.

This last thing is because of another Obama failure — the acceleration of the timetable for leaving Afghanistan, which forced them to stop doing adequate security screenings. SO now we have terrorist infiltrators given weapons and access, working side-by-side with our troops, and then killing them.

The media won’t report any of this. We don’t see daily body counts from the “lost war in Afghanistan”. We don’t see the list of real failures. We need to push it, which means not getting distracted by other less important things such as who was yelling what when our dying ambassador was left to fend for himself by this administration.


27 posted on 09/17/2012 10:28:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Some of the men shout, “God is great.”

In Arabic, "Allahu Akbar."
29 posted on 09/17/2012 10:33:22 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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Should be a caveat here.

That is the Toronto Red Star. A far left neo-marxist “news” paper.


30 posted on 09/17/2012 10:36:08 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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