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Can the Polls Be Believed?
American Thinker ^ | 09/30/2012 | Jim O’Sullivan

Posted on 10/01/2012 8:35:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A raging war has been underway between Republicans/Romney and the mainstream media (MSM)/polling organizations on the accuracy of many recently reported polls. Both sides have stridently argued their cases in a vicious skirmish that has been decidedly unequal.

The Republicans, the Romney campaign, conservative talk radio, conservative new media and Fox News have valiantly fought the Democrats, the MSM, some polling organizations and the Obama campaign organization. Yet given just the megaphones owned by the MSM and Obama's bully pulpit, the battle has been the equivalent of brandishing a popgun at a howitzer...the voting public seemingly is not hearing the battle's thunder or is still not deeply engaged in the election.

So what are the facts...is there a battle plan, an alliance between Obama, the MSM, and polling organizations designed to destroy Romney's candidacy?

Are the polls presenting biased and inaccurate findings?

Are polling organizations deliberately producing misleading results? In essence are they in cahoots with Obama, the MSM, liberal/progressive democrats? Is there any compelling evidence that the MSM is using polling selectively to promote Barack Obama and other democrat office seekers? And will the constant and continuous bludgeoning of Romney using biased or inaccurate polls damage his presidential chances? The basic argument that the polls are biased begins with the 2008 presidential election outcome. Obama won by capturing an electorate composed of 39% Dems, 32% Reps and 29% Independents; this differential is known as a D+7 spread/party affiliation or D+7 electorate. Barack Obama also defeated John McCain by 7 points in the popular vote. In contrast, G.W. Bush defeated J. Kerry in 2004 with an electorate containing 37% Dems, 37% Reps and 26% Inds. The 2008 election was unique in many respects. Barack Obama was African American, youthful, a skilled speaker, untested, mysterious, cool and the MSM's chosen one.

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To: ken5050

Nov 2010 happened.
Chick-fil-A day happened.


41 posted on 10/01/2012 9:14:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

41M tea partiers ready to rock & roll on November 6th:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/28/41-Million-Tea-Party-Supporters-Set-to-Vote


42 posted on 10/01/2012 9:28:25 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: SeekAndFind

With all the numbers floating around here is one which may have great significance.

Apparently less than one in ten contacted are even willing to talk to pollsters. Over ninety percent tell ‘em to shove it. Thus, a huge landslide could be utterly undetectable by a polling operation actually looking for the truth.


43 posted on 10/01/2012 9:33:22 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: SeekAndFind

[Can the Polls Be Believed?]

They are, desperately, trying to lure Conservatives away from even thinking about the political movement in 2010 and they use their pollsters to accomplish that. Their complicit pollsters are doing everything possible to please their customers... the media... the newspapers... the pundits...television anchors... liberals... and rino members of Congress. It is an all out assault to undermine American values and beliefs. THEIR movement would be the envy of the most ardent propagandist.

They all will point to the polls to panic, discourage and dispirit members of Conservatives and grass roots Americans who were responsible for our 2010 political movement. They saturate the airwaves, newspapers, all the sources easily available to them, to proclaim our polls are accurate because ALL POLLS are showing the same data...it is indisputable proof that ‘this election is a dead heat’ or ‘the president has surged ahead in the swing states’ or ‘this election is all but over’.

Of course, ALL THE POLLS are showing the same indisputable proof, they have to validate each others ‘professional integrity’ by staying on the same page, don’t they? I mean, how would it look to the public if wildly different data suddenly emerged out of nowhere with no +dems, no + rep? They can’t and won’t let that happen, it would just cause confusion amongst the masses and may even cause them to question their...collective indisputable proof. In short, they would lose the power to influence the direction of our politics.

IMO...Ret


44 posted on 10/01/2012 9:46:07 AM PDT by RetSignman
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To: Lazamataz
Why would you write something like that?

Cause I was thinking it!

45 posted on 10/01/2012 10:36:37 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Gaffer

No question.


46 posted on 10/01/2012 10:42:39 AM PDT by stanne
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To: MNJohnnie

“Can Polls Be Believed?”

The simple answer is `No.”

The MSM is going for the `bandwagon effect.’ Defined: “To join a cause or movement that appears popular and successful.”
It works in marketing and politics. It’s basic human nature and they know they can’t win this time with his ethos or on his record.


47 posted on 10/01/2012 11:07:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Steely Tom

Why wuz u t’inkin’ somtin like that?


48 posted on 10/01/2012 11:10:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: factoryrat
Both sides are afraid of retaliation from the other

That is most certainly a factor. A function of Barry telling his supporters to "get in our faces" in '08. There is a guy down the street who always wears SEIU t-shirts. I always give him a wide berth. Looks about half-crazed. For sure I would not engage him in political discussion on your life.


49 posted on 10/01/2012 11:36:28 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lazamataz
Why wuz u t’inkin’ somtin like that?

Well, why not take a look at your post #10 and see if you can't spot the reason.

50 posted on 10/01/2012 11:50:02 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Right Brother

I don’t understand how it makes sense to over-sample ‘rats when other polls show a large enthusiasm gap between Republican and ‘rat voters which favors Romney.


51 posted on 10/01/2012 11:54:09 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Lazamataz
Have some apple pie and ice cream, dear Laz. :)







52 posted on 10/01/2012 11:57:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: murron
Don't despair and hopefully don't resort to meds. I think we can all agree on a few broad parameters, and then just do our jobs, which is to wake people up and get them to vote!

  1. Most polls seem to be using a turnout model that resembles 2008.
  2. It is very unlikely that the turnout in 2012 will resemble that of 2008. There has been a documented shift towards more GOP registrations, and there is also an observable enthusiasm gap in favor of conservatives.
  3. The media and other interests who are promoting all these rosy-looking 0bama polls know exactly what they are doing. They are trying to move things in 0bama's direction as much as humanly possible.
  4. IF the turnout resembles anything like 2010 (and I think it will), and IF there remains a GOP enthusiasm advantage up until election day, then 0bama will lose. BIG.
  5. If point 4 above is true, then, to preserve their reputations, what we'll see come November is the pollsters adjusting their "sauce" to make the results comport more closely with what the election is really going to resemble. It's interesting, though, that a study was done which indicated that the polling errors always seem to overstate the leftist percentages, never onservatives. Strange.
  6. If, on the other hand, the turnout resembles the (apparently) ridiculous figures many of the pollsters are using, then 0bama obviously has a chance.
Personally, I'm furious at the media, and they appear to me to be more biased than ever in history in favor of a transparently marxist, intrinsically Unamerican President.

If 0bama wins due to the lamestream media dragging him across the finish line, then I will never forgive the media, and I will also take it as a sign that we should begin planning for serious, revolutionary resistance against what will follow. If we care about our country, our children , and our Freedom, we will have to resist. Just bitching and voting won't be good enough.

That's why I'm praying that enough Americans wake up to what's really at stake here. Romney is a weak alternative, IMHO, and if he doesn't win, I hope the GOP gets shaken to its core.

Bottom line is: Do not despair! Educate those who you come into contact with, and get out the vote! It's that simple.

It's up to the broad, ethereal coalition that is Tea Party to take this election by the balls and defeat this monster.

53 posted on 10/01/2012 12:08:11 PM PDT by sargon
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To: trisham

Cartman said I can’t have any cake pie and ice cream because I didn’t get him the Green MegaRanger.


54 posted on 10/01/2012 12:08:56 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The American news media, the 'Pravda Press', is fully Soviet-ized.)
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To: Lazamataz
No problem. Have some milk and cookies, dear!





55 posted on 10/01/2012 12:17:08 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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