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Posted on 10/07/2012 4:45:12 PM PDT by Kukai
Why are people still talking about the birther issue? Congress and the Supreme Court have said they're not looking into it. But this issue clearly still has legs.
According to Adam Berinsky, a professor of political science at MIT, the birther issue never really went away. He's been conducting polls on the birthplace issue, which he compiled in an article called "The Birthers are (Still) Back." To wit, a lot of Americans continue to have doubts about Obama.
For the last four years, Barack Obama has been plagued by rumors that he is not a natural-born citizen of the United States and, as a result, is not eligible to serve as president. These rumors continue to show surprising resilience.
But what Berlinsky did in his polling was what the progressive defenders of the faith have always done: confused the birthplace question with other questions regarding Obama's eligibility to hold office. To many, the issue isn't where he was born. The question is, who is his father? And is Obama a natural born citizen, since his father was not a U.S. citizen?
Barack Hussein Obama has spent about two million dollars to keep the American people from taking a peek at his original long-form birth certificate. Nobody spends that kind of money unless there's something really damning he wants to hide.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
I don’t usually put much store in this...but I just compared Obama’s eyes to Davis’ eyes, and was surprised.
Barry had a nose job, the resemblance to FMD is even greater.
I think Joel Gilbert has made a good circumstantial case that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s biological father. There is no question that the communist agitator, Davis, is Obama ideological father—and not the Kenyan Muslim anti-colonialist.
Some of the evidence presented in the DVD is good, new documentary evidence. Some is speculative and circumstantial. The combined effect is a compelling—but not definitive—argument that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama’s real father. I think the family resemblance between Obama and Davis is striking—and said so in my article.
Joel has since sent me additional evidence linking Stanley Ann Dunham even more closely to the nude photos that Davis took. Not conclusive but it does add to the growing stack of evidence.
Joel may well be onto the truth in this matter. Time will tell.
There is this for all Freepers to consider: Information is coming out of the woodwork about Obama. Bombshell stuff.
I think it will make all the difference in this election, one result of which will be the total condemnation of the reprobate mainstream media and their comrades in the Democratic Party.
Freeperly yours,
JT
P.S. Lostinzombieland.com is the web site for my satire on Obama.
What convinced me was obviously a photo of malcolm x in which the resemblance was so striking that the caption read “ obama as malcolm x”
This photo has been wiped off the internent
Yup. A lot of those nude pics of Stanley Ann Dunham were taken in Davis' personal residence. Something was going on between them.
"There is this for all Freepers to consider: Information is coming out of the woodwork about Obama. Bombshell stuff."
I eagerly await further revelations. Whether they come out before or after the election is nearly irrelevant at this point; I simply want the truth. Justice would be a nice bonus.
a computer generated document whose notary said she NEVER signed it.
either admit to having NO documentation ... or DEMAND 0bama submit it officially
which is it?
Thanks Flotsam,
Strap yourself in.
JT
If you're interested in the truth, read this and the entire seven part series. There is very little truth in Gilbert's "documentary".
Fever Dreams From My Real Father #1: The Nude Photos Debunked
Barackryphal ^ | 10/03/12 | Loren Collins
Posted on 10/03/2012 7:12:56 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
At the center of Gilbert's theory that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's father is a series of nude and fetish photographs. They were the focus of his second promotional video for the DVD. They're featured prominently on his website, and he consistently references them in radio interviews. Radio host Peter Boyles has called them the "Rosetta Stone" that will unlock Obama's secret past, and Alex Jones declared "It's her in these photos."
The "her" to which Jones refers is Obama's mother Ann Dunham, who Gilbert claims is the woman depicted in these photos. Three of the photos were originally posted on the website of The Astute Bloggers in October 2008, where it was claimed that they had been forwarded by a reader. Even though one photo plainly bore a watermark of "free-vintage-porn.com", some people were convinced that the photos were of Ann Dunham. Over time, the claim evolved so that it was Frank Marshall Davis who was said to have taken the photos as well (perhaps an unsurprising development, as The Astute Bloggers website was also responsible for starting the rumor that Frank was Obama's father).
Here's what the narrator of Dreams From My Real Father has to say on the matter:
"At some point, she agreed to pose. These photos were taken a few weeks before Christmas 1960, when Mom was about five weeks pregnant with me. There's no mistaking: this is MY mama."Gilbert has further elaborated on the photos outside the film itself. In his website Q&A:
I also obtained seven indecent photos of Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, taken at Frank Marshall Davis’ house, suggesting an intimate connection between Dunham and Davis...On the 'Breaking News' portion of his website:What new revelations are in Dreams from My Real Father?
First, I make the case that Barack Obama’s real father was Communist Frank Marshall Davis. Next, the relationship between Davis and Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, is illustrated with seven indecent photographs of Dunham, some including other women, taken at Frank Marshall Davis’ house in Honolulu.
Racy photos of Barack Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, have recently surfaced in vintage fetish and bondage magazines. The photos, taken at Frank Marshall Davis' house in Honolulu, appeared in Bizarre Life, Exotique, Secret Pleasures, and Battling Babes.And in interviews:
But if you look at the many, many photos of Ann Dunham and the naked girl in the pictures -- especially you can see her teeth; she has some recessed teeth on the left side -- it's very obviously Ann Dunham.
Most people didn't take the photo claim very seriously, because the woman in the pictures doesn't really look all that much like Ann Dunham. Sure, she bears a passing resemblance, in the same sense that as a bespectacled young white guy, I bear a passing resemblance to Daniel Radcliffe. Frankly, the woman in the photos looks a lot more like Joan Collins than Ann Dunham.
Since their original appearance in 2008, some have attempted to debunk the photos by identifying the model. This has proven fruitless, and unsurprisingly so; many mid-century nude and fetish models were nameless faces, anonymous to the world at large.
To his credit, Gilbert did somehow locate additional photos of the mystery woman he claims is Ann. And as noted above, he named several magazines where he claims they appeared. Both on his website and in Dreams, he shows the covers of six specific issues, and the website (on the right) flatly states "Frank Marshall Davis' photos of Ann Dunham appear in these vintage men's magazines." The magazines Gilbert shows are:
Exotique #2
Exotique #4
Exotique #6
Exotique #14
Secret Pleasures
Battling Babes
Bizarre Life #9
The last three magazines were published in 1958, 1957, and 1969, respectively. Exotique was published between 1955 and 1959.
Curiously, though, the pictures Gilbert shows appear in NONE of the issues he identifies. I consulted with the owner of a fansite for these magazines, who checked and confirmed that Gilbert's photos are nowhere to be seen in these issues. I personally reviewed copies of Exotique #14, Battling Babes and Secret Pleasures, and they included NO pictures of the mystery model.
What Secret Pleasures DID feature, on page 26, was this photo:
Who is the woman? I have no idea. But look at the chair she's seated on. At the pillow in the chair. At the window behind her. At the record player to her right, and the records peeking out below her leg. At the cabinet behind her, and at the floor beneath her. Look familiar?
That's right, it's the exact same setting as the 'Ann' photos. Published in a 1958 men's magazine. And it's not the only one. From Exotique #25, pages 7 and 40, respectively:
Again, does that setting look familiar? Same couch, same floor, same picture on the wall, even the same random pillow arrangement on top of the couch as seen in other photos in Gilbert's videos. The woman is even wearing the same spiked-ball earrings as Gilbert's 'Ann'. Who is she? I don't know, but she looks an awful lot like the woman who appears with Gilbert's 'Ann' in several photos in his movie.
Now granted, these photos alone don't prove that the mystery model couldn't be Ann. Perhaps Davis took these in 1958, and he didn't change the arrangement of his room for two years. That's odd, and hardly the most compelling explanation, but it's not impossible. (Even though Gilbert himself would likely concede that these are from the same photoshoot.)
Unfortunately for Gilbert, that's not all. Further up this post, there's a screenshot of Gilbert's own website, with a video still that shows the woman he claims is 'Ann' sitting on a couch, pulling a black opera glove onto her left arm. That image appears in Gilbert's Dreams and in his promotional videos as well, but he's never released a full-size copy of that photo.
I found one, however:
This picture appeared in Exotique #23, on page 22. In 1958. When Ann Dunham was only 15 years old. Two years before Ann Dunham even moved to Hawaii.
It can also be found reprinted in volume 2 of the 3-volume Exotique hardcover collection.
We may never know who the mystery model is. But the Dunham family didn't move to Hawaii until the summer of 1960. Unless Ann Dunham had access to a time machine in the 1960s, it simply cannot be her.
Moreover, Joel Gilbert knows this. He found that opera glove photo; it was not circulating the web as an 'Ann' photo prior to his videos. He knows it came from Exotique, a magazine that ceased publication in 1959. From WND: "Gilbert found that several of the photos in the collection appeared in a magazine called Exotique, published by pin-up photographer Leonard Burtman, who worked in New York City."
Thus he knows this picture was published two years before Ann first stepped foot in Hawaii, years before she could have met Frank Marshall Davis. And yet he explicitly claims, multiple times, that the photo was TAKEN at Christmastime 1960. This is not a lie of ignorance or mistake; it is a lie of pure, fully-informed malice.
And that's the BEST-case scenario for Gilbert. Gilbert knows that Ann was born in 1942, and he knows he found these pictures in 1958 magazines. If Gilbert truly believes that these ARE somehow pictures of a 15-year-old Ann, then he's been distributing hundreds of thousands of DVDs featuring nude and erotic pictures of someone he believes to be an underage girl.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Gilbert has thus far refused to disclose the actual sources of the erotic photos he put in his videos. He identified six issues, none of which checked out, and five of which contradict his 1960 date anyway. As shown above, to disclose the true issues would be to destroy his own claim that the photos are of Ann, and to let his audience know that he's lying to them. And so he refuses to cite his sources, even when they're just magazine issue numbers.
So there you have it. The people who've said 'Frank Davis took naked pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham in December of 1960' are provably wrong. The woman they claim is Ann was having her photographs from this very shoot published at least as early as 1958. When Ann was a 15-year-old in Washington, years before she ever stepped foot on Hawaii or could have conceivably even met Frank Marshall Davis. Joel Gilbert has unnecessarily obscured the actual publication dates of the pictures he found, because he knows those simple facts will prove to everyone that he's lying about them being taken in 1960, and lying about Frank Marshall Davis taking them of Ann, and lying about them being evidence of an intimate relationship between Frank and Ann.
As I wrote in my first post in this series, "I can't promise that I'll convince everyone that Joel Gilbert is a charlatan and his film is a joke, but I think by this time next week, anyone who continues to trust Gilbert has some depressingly low standards for what they'll believe." I'm sure some people will still prefer to believe in him and his photos, and nothing will convince them otherwise. To them, I can only say this: just as Joel Gilbert has known for months, you now know that his photos were being published in 1958. Possibly even earlier. So if you still want to believe that the woman in those photos is Ann Dunham, that means you also have to believe that the woman in those photos is no more than 15 years old. Keep that in mind as you talk about them, and post them online, and save them on your computer. I know you're not doing anything illegal or morally disgusting (because it's not Ann), but what are you telling yourselves?
Finally, even though I've reached #1 in this series and I think I've solidly proven my case, I had two more research developments on Monday that I'll be typing up in the next few days. So be sure to keep an eye out for those to come.
The rest of the story...
Fever Dreams From My Real Father #3: Factual Failings, #2: "Anne" vs. Ann
Fever Dreams From My Real Father - #5: Joel Gilbert's Phantom Evidence & #4: Family Portraits
Fever Dreams From My Real Father #6: The Omniscient Joel Gilbert
Fever Dreams From My Real Father (#7)
And Loren even talked to the actual owner of the home...
Hmmmmm.
HMMMMMMMMM!!!!
Even though the article is by a zotted idiot, he has some things correct. If the photos are of “Ann” (where did the “Stanley” go?), some were published in 1958.
It’s patently obvious the photos are not SAD. Even someone as “anti-birther” as LorenC got it right.
BO could have cleared up the birther issue immediately and before the election. I mean, who doesn’t have a copy of their birth certificate? All he had to do was take a picture of it with his phone and upload it to a website.
“2016” has an interview with George Obama. George Obama is the spitting image of Barack Obama. That settled the daddy issue for me.
It's not "a piece of obvious propaganda" simply because you (one of the most vociferous "anti-birthers" in all of FR-dom) and a Zotted Obot Fogblower say it is.
This may come as a shock to you, but your own credibility and true motivations regarding pretty much anything touching on "Obama"'s true identity and his eligibility to hold the office he currently enjoys are, shall we say, suspect. Heck, you probably think the findings of Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse are bunk as well.
Whether Gilbert ultimately has to answer for any dishonesty or sloppy research regarding the photos aspect aside, the narrative described in Dreams From My Real Father is by far the most reasonable, plausible scenario I've encountered to describe what really may have gone down concerning the origins of the man calling himself Barack Hussein Obama. I've seen the film. Have you?
In deference to Little Jeremiah however, whose input I respect a whole lot more than I do yours, I'll give the material (only what's posted at FR, as I refuse to give LorenC any additional traffic) a thorough going-over.
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