Skip to comments.**LIVE THREAD** Second Presidential Debate - Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama (9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern)
Posted on 10/16/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by RKBA DemocratEdited on 10/16/2012 3:04:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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So many things Romney could say...
“Of course I’m not like President Bush. He increased the Federal Gov’t. as a portion of our economy by (insert %). This put great strain on our economy. At the same time, President Bush failed to correct foolish housing policies and outdated regulations. These things were contributing factors leading to the economic collapse in 2008. I will not continue to grow the Federal Government beyond it’s means, burdening our economy and effectively enslaving our children.”
(Sorry, Dubya, I loved you for some stuff, cringed at other.)
Or, maybe it is too esoteric, but when Obama starts waxing about, say assistance for education, Romney could say something like: “Why has a college education become so expensive that most people feel they need government assistance? As a businessman, I know something about what causes overpriced services. In this case, it is largely due to the Government. If we follow the President’s course, as with revenue and taxes, we’ll never get there. We’ll never get to a point where middle class citizens can again afford college for their children, on their own. Instead, we will spend ever more money, weakening our economy, and creating dependency. If we don’t fix this, and many other similar problems, we will end up like Greece — with one exception: There is no one who can bail us out.”
Would have been a good one. Turnabouts fair play. Bet it didn't even occur to Crowley. Questions were stacked against Romney big time. I could think of ten questions I would have asked Obama. Bet Romney hated this format. He still did great though considering. . .;
How about Krauthammer, O'Reilly and Buchanan for the next moderators?
That is very true, but there’s the other side of the coin to look at - if our candidate can meet them on their own terms, on their own turf, and still beat them with one hand tied behind his back, it proves his superiority all the more. I mean, imagine the _resident holding his own at a town hall in the back woods of Alabama, moderated by Rush Limbaugh? (who, by the way, would have had the integrity not to lie to help Romney - of course, Romney wouldn’t have needed him to either!)
Oh-oh-oh! Yes. ROMNEY should have ended his answer with (to the moderator) “Since you have asked me how I would differentiate myself from a former Republican President, I’d like to know how Pres. Obama would differentiate himself from President Carter?”
“Um, ahh... urk!”
No longer drink when the servers dont respond.
Drink when FReepers complain that the servers dont respond.
See, the glass is not only too big, its irrelevant.
The real question becomes: how big is the bottle?
Oh, how nice... FR is back up again after its usual crash on a busy night like earlier tonight.
So... it's now verboten to complain about FR's servers not responding - yet again - while "too many" (?) FReepers are trying to participate in a "live" thread? ("live"... actually this thread was dead for quite awhile since FR was down)
I was drinking water tonight... not sure what you've been drinking, glock rocks.
Candy gave the Bamster more time
it must be region dependent or server dependent (Comcast here)
tonight was a lost cause
i followed HuffPo some tonight to see hot the libs were cracking
that site...considerably more hits than here ran fine
as I recall FR used to have more traffic on a regular work day than I saw tonight over this debate
back in my early days here from Gore thru 2004...most decent threads would get over 500 replies and plenty in the 1000s and even some in the 10s of 1000s
and i would look at replies page and it would have replies counted by seconds or 2-3 seconds and so forth
just a steady hum all day...peaking with morning coffee and then after lunch and then when folks got home after dinner
and Friday and Saturday nites
slow during church Sunday or Monday Night Football
I’m showing 50 replies last 14 minutes...3 replies a minute more or less...
Could stick a load balancer in front that gives priority bandwidth to registered users.
The whole strategy is to beat them senseless on their own turf with their rules, and it is working.
Obama's soul is more callous and scarred than to be destroyed by his label as a liar.
Remember, the debates are a public forum which is used to present the candidates for future office before the American people.
Obama, in nearly every response, memorably began by accusing Romney as being a liar. That is either a tactic he had been drilled to state, buying him time to phrase his response, and/or a manifestation of frustration by a soul unable to listen to a different viewpoint and quickly judging those with differing viewpoints, and/or a Freudian slip, attempting to accuse his competition of an identical fault he knows he will be accused, so that those hearing the charges,..the voting public, will simply discount both charges, giving him equal access to the office as those who are honest and honorable.
Once he accuses with that label, the burden of proof is upon him to justify the charge.
Obama lies so frequently, that most honest observers have no problem identifying that trait without assistance.
Many voters are simply seeking a diligent honest and honorable person to vote into the Presidency,...anything more than an empty chair.
It is nice to observe Romney's response to Obama claiming he labeled the Benghazi attackers as terrorists. Romney knew it was false, but he wasn't accustomed to immediately attacking his opponent as an adversarial accuser. Romney expressed his belief Obama was engaged in another falsehood, while also manifesting respect for all until proven guilty. Romney has a sense of justice, which Obama not only lacks, but is void in seeking.
IMHO, Romney wins more hearts and minds by simply continuing to address problems and provide solutions. Let Obama/Biden continue to lie, obfuscate, accuse, smirk, and promote their egos. Those who vote for them simply label themselves as also lacking virtue.
Only problem is that it wasn’t an act of terror, but a coordinated infantry attack on foreign sovereign national soil by a covert military force on the anniversary of 9/11.
This Administration’s response of apologizing to other mass adversaries, at a time of defeat, simply encourages and strengthens the resolve of our adversaries, and promotes future acts of terror against Americans.
There is one remarkable similarity between the Twin Towers and Benghazi. Both could be interpreted as adversarial military attacks upon CIA covert operational bases by forces previously trained by the same.
One problem with covert warfare is that it must remain hidden to succeed. If covert operational campaigns continue to destroy national establishments, they no longer have the security afforded them by national governance.
Just as fragile are these newly formed national governments by covert support, they also may be intercepted by other national covert adversaries.
From what we know, Benghazi may have been instigated by Obama and Hillary, (which would ironically explain their rush to claim responsibility, a month after the fact) just as plausibly as it may have been an in-your-face Al Quada attack, or maybe Russian backed, or anybody else.
IMHO, Romney could point out that the Obama Administration’s handling of Benghazi has perhaps done more harm to the diplomatic community and undermined the mission of the UN than any other Administration in US history.
I’m in Jax too and have only seen a few.
1066...Battle of Hastings...end of the Dark Ages...Start of the Middle Ages!
I can’t help but feel Romney lost last night for that one moment, that he allowed that POS to look him in the eye and pretend to be the Commander in Chief. Nevermind Obama lost 100% in facts and details, that has never mattered to libs.
Romney should have interupted just like Obama kept doing and ended that one....he just looked weak as the President put him down and raised himself above the politics, all the while looking him in the eye, no matter how absurd that is.
Romney put him down well earlier and that could have been a stand out moment, but Obama managed to lie his way back.
He was weak on Obamas personal criticisms of him. His business background (responding weakly much later in the debate), his 47% comments....Libya....he had chance after chance to score knock out blows and he didn’t.
That said the format was extremely hostile to him, Obama seemed to get the last word every time and the questioning from the ‘audience’ was questionable......Romney will do better in the last debate and hopefully land some bigger blows.
crawl-ee also said that Paul Ryan was a Romney “death wish”. What do you expect from a corrupt fat arsed whore for satan?
Drug induced trembling. Those drugs that are supposed to temporarily increase intelligence and concentration have side effects.
All excellent points, but Romney does superbly thinking on his feet.
Valid point. I just hope the folks at home realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist.
Do the folks at home, realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist?
If they didn't, Crawley's "fact check" error will certainly make it clear. I sense a short commercial coming out of that one just to inform the public.
No, then he has two whole months until he has to leave in January, where he has nothing left to lose.
“Do the folks at home, realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist?”
This stump jumper does.
Overlooked is the fact that Romney put an exclamation point on obama’s Libya lie when he said, “You are saying this FOR THE RECORD?”
After that, when obama and crowley doubled down, all they succeeded in doing was to compound the lie. It is on tape. They can’t take it back. And it WILL come back to bite both of them huge.
Well Rush does it every day.
Or do you mean somebody REALLY big, like Bill Maher or Roseanne Barr?
I very rarely come to FR these days, let alone depend on it for debate live threads. This site hasn’t been able to handle the volume for a long time, the “new servers” have been coming for years, same rhetoric over and over again, I just don’t have the patience for this nonsense.
Probably. RAT disruptors.
Just think what a coordinated handful of pizza-faced, occupacker, basement geeks could do;
They could wreak havoc simply by logging on, hitting the reply button and constantly refreshing the page but never actually posting anything...or some other similar prank.
Thanks for the welcome. Boy, the debate was heated. I like how Romney kept pointing out Obama’s record. (Btw if a bad economy lowers gas prices, I am in favor. /s)
>Romney could say something like: Why has a college education become so expensive that most people feel they need government assistance? As a businessman, I know something about what causes overpriced services. In this case, it is largely due to the Government.<
Paul, all of your suggestions are spot on. Anytime government subsidizes something, be it healthcare, real estate, or college costs, those costs will invariably go up.
Also, when welfare is abundant and simple to obtain, many people will turn to the easiest solution instead of finding the unskilled jobs Obama doesn’t seem to be worrying about providing. Not everyone is capable of keeping a high-skilled job, and Barack Obama is the poster child for that little factoid.
Well, I couldn’t get my computer back on until just a few minutes ago. Woke up wondering if some group is purposely clogging the site so the regulars cannot get on.
I caught that, too. It is on the record, Obama did NOT say it was an act of terror in the Rose Garden (although his statement last night shows that he knew at the time that it was), then he continued on with the lie about the tape for 2 more weeks. I think Romney did very well with that and I think Obama’s statement will be used as further evidence that he was lying from the beginning of the Benghazi fiasco, especially now that Crowley has come out and said that she was wrong on it.
Fox just reported that obama said, at 10:09 PM in the debate, that within 20 minutes he WAS ON THE TELPHONE WITH HIS NSA GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION. So he KNEW within 20 minutes of the attack that it was a terrorist operation. Bill Hemmer says no one seems to have caught that little gem.
Well, there’s your problem right there! Move out of Chicago. I did and haven’t looked back.
Its not tough to do either.
Basically, we inherited a housing collapse courtesy of fannie and freddie, the dems, barney frank,Franklin raines, obama suing so anyone can get a loan etc., etc. They will point to a near 800 billion tarp as well. Problem is that money was repaid by the banks so its really a non issue.
The economy tanked big time because of what the dems forced through Congress and than sued to maintain until it was obvious that they had screwed up once again. Time we set the record straight.
Dem Congress after 2007,country went straight downhill.
Romney was relentless.
I love how he kept fighting and I thought he fought pretty well in spite of the odds stacked against him.
The only counter to it is for Mitt to anticipate the lie, correct for it, stand his ground after making his argument. It's slick what the regime does but truth will always win in the end.
I think Romney’s delivery was a little off on the benghazi/video question since fat candy kept interrupting to save the dear leader.
Whoa! This means that 1) not only did he know, 2) he didn’t do a thing to help those in the consulate and 3) he knowingly LIED about it and had others lie for 2 WEEKS!
I really, really hope that this little tidbit grows legs! It would be awesome if 0’s lies and deception came unraveled just in time for the next debate.
Fox seems to be going through this debate minute by minute and word for word.
I don't. I couldn't get on for NONE of the debates. When we need to be on here, it's not available. It's a real letdown.
” The idiot GOP-E never learns. Libatard “in the tank” moderators. “
We need to raise hell with our House reps and Senators. Allowing only hard core left wing moderators is tantamount to attempted suicide.THIS IS NOT A DAMN REALITY SHOW, OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE HERE!
Good. Then it will all be on the record and all 0’s lies will be exposed.