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**LIVE THREAD** Second Presidential Debate - Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama (9:00-10:30 p.m. Eastern)
C-SPAN ^ | 10-16-12 | Live Thread

Posted on 10/16/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Edited on 10/16/2012 3:04:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

You can watch the debate online here: http://www.youtube.com/politics?feature=inp-hp-ype-26

Town Hall debate.

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To: onyx

So many things Romney could say...

“Of course I’m not like President Bush. He increased the Federal Gov’t. as a portion of our economy by (insert %). This put great strain on our economy. At the same time, President Bush failed to correct foolish housing policies and outdated regulations. These things were contributing factors leading to the economic collapse in 2008. I will not continue to grow the Federal Government beyond it’s means, burdening our economy and effectively enslaving our children.”

(Sorry, Dubya, I loved you for some stuff, cringed at other.)

Or, maybe it is too esoteric, but when Obama starts waxing about, say assistance for education, Romney could say something like: “Why has a college education become so expensive that most people feel they need government assistance? As a businessman, I know something about what causes overpriced services. In this case, it is largely due to the Government. If we follow the President’s course, as with revenue and taxes, we’ll never get there. We’ll never get to a point where middle class citizens can again afford college for their children, on their own. Instead, we will spend ever more money, weakening our economy, and creating dependency. If we don’t fix this, and many other similar problems, we will end up like Greece — with one exception: There is no one who can bail us out.”


1,051 posted on 10/16/2012 10:40:24 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: piasa
They should have asked Obama how he is different from jimmy Carter.

Would have been a good one. Turnabouts fair play. Bet it didn't even occur to Crowley. Questions were stacked against Romney big time. I could think of ten questions I would have asked Obama. Bet Romney hated this format. He still did great though considering. . .;

How about Krauthammer, O'Reilly and Buchanan for the next moderators?

1,052 posted on 10/16/2012 10:42:22 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: onyx

That is very true, but there’s the other side of the coin to look at - if our candidate can meet them on their own terms, on their own turf, and still beat them with one hand tied behind his back, it proves his superiority all the more. I mean, imagine the _resident holding his own at a town hall in the back woods of Alabama, moderated by Rush Limbaugh? (who, by the way, would have had the integrity not to lie to help Romney - of course, Romney wouldn’t have needed him to either!)


1,053 posted on 10/16/2012 10:42:40 PM PDT by VRWCer ( They will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - ML King)
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To: piasa

Oh-oh-oh! Yes. ROMNEY should have ended his answer with (to the moderator) “Since you have asked me how I would differentiate myself from a former Republican President, I’d like to know how Pres. Obama would differentiate himself from President Carter?”

“Um, ahh... urk!”


1,054 posted on 10/16/2012 10:48:26 PM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: glock rocks; combat_boots; GOPsterinMA; hole_n_one; onyx; NautiNurse; StarFan; Swede Girl; ...
I’ve just modified the drinking game rules.

No longer drink when the servers don’t respond.

Drink when FReepers complain that the servers don’t respond.

See, the glass is not only too big, it’s irrelevant.

The real question becomes: how big is the bottle?

Oh, how nice... FR is back up again after its usual crash on a busy night like earlier tonight.

So... it's now verboten to complain about FR's servers not responding - yet again - while "too many" (?) FReepers are trying to participate in a "live" thread? ("live"... actually this thread was dead for quite awhile since FR was down)

I was drinking water tonight... not sure what you've been drinking, glock rocks.

1,055 posted on 10/16/2012 10:52:52 PM PDT by nutmeg (I'm with Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz: Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: rurgan

Candy gave the Bamster more time

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/obama-gots-more-time-138699.html


1,056 posted on 10/16/2012 10:57:59 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: RKBA Democrat

debate ping


1,057 posted on 10/16/2012 10:59:44 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: paul544

it must be region dependent or server dependent (Comcast here)

tonight was a lost cause

i followed HuffPo some tonight to see hot the libs were cracking

that site...considerably more hits than here ran fine

as I recall FR used to have more traffic on a regular work day than I saw tonight over this debate

back in my early days here from Gore thru 2004...most decent threads would get over 500 replies and plenty in the 1000s and even some in the 10s of 1000s

and i would look at replies page and it would have replies counted by seconds or 2-3 seconds and so forth

just a steady hum all day...peaking with morning coffee and then after lunch and then when folks got home after dinner

and Friday and Saturday nites

slow during church Sunday or Monday Night Football

I’m showing 50 replies last 14 minutes...3 replies a minute more or less...


1,058 posted on 10/16/2012 11:06:41 PM PDT by wardaddy (my wife prays in the tanning bed....guess what region i live in...ya'll?)
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To: wardaddy

Could stick a load balancer in front that gives priority bandwidth to registered users.


1,059 posted on 10/16/2012 11:10:57 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: onyx

The whole strategy is to beat them senseless on their own turf with their rules, and it is working.


1,060 posted on 10/16/2012 11:15:32 PM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: wardaddy
Details would be nice about the problem, almost thinking software (probably pretty ancient) or current configuration trying to run ancient software, but with no details, just taking a SWAG.
1,061 posted on 10/16/2012 11:20:20 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: wastedyears
All he has to do is say the two magic words, “you’re lying,” and he’ll destroy Obama.

Obama's soul is more callous and scarred than to be destroyed by his label as a liar.

Remember, the debates are a public forum which is used to present the candidates for future office before the American people.

Obama, in nearly every response, memorably began by accusing Romney as being a liar. That is either a tactic he had been drilled to state, buying him time to phrase his response, and/or a manifestation of frustration by a soul unable to listen to a different viewpoint and quickly judging those with differing viewpoints, and/or a Freudian slip, attempting to accuse his competition of an identical fault he knows he will be accused, so that those hearing the charges,..the voting public, will simply discount both charges, giving him equal access to the office as those who are honest and honorable.

Once he accuses with that label, the burden of proof is upon him to justify the charge.

Obama lies so frequently, that most honest observers have no problem identifying that trait without assistance.

Many voters are simply seeking a diligent honest and honorable person to vote into the Presidency,...anything more than an empty chair.

It is nice to observe Romney's response to Obama claiming he labeled the Benghazi attackers as terrorists. Romney knew it was false, but he wasn't accustomed to immediately attacking his opponent as an adversarial accuser. Romney expressed his belief Obama was engaged in another falsehood, while also manifesting respect for all until proven guilty. Romney has a sense of justice, which Obama not only lacks, but is void in seeking.

IMHO, Romney wins more hearts and minds by simply continuing to address problems and provide solutions. Let Obama/Biden continue to lie, obfuscate, accuse, smirk, and promote their egos. Those who vote for them simply label themselves as also lacking virtue.

1,062 posted on 10/17/2012 1:44:08 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: wastedyears; Jim Robinson

dittos


1,063 posted on 10/17/2012 1:47:00 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: PghBaldy

Only problem is that it wasn’t an act of terror, but a coordinated infantry attack on foreign sovereign national soil by a covert military force on the anniversary of 9/11.

This Administration’s response of apologizing to other mass adversaries, at a time of defeat, simply encourages and strengthens the resolve of our adversaries, and promotes future acts of terror against Americans.

There is one remarkable similarity between the Twin Towers and Benghazi. Both could be interpreted as adversarial military attacks upon CIA covert operational bases by forces previously trained by the same.

One problem with covert warfare is that it must remain hidden to succeed. If covert operational campaigns continue to destroy national establishments, they no longer have the security afforded them by national governance.

Just as fragile are these newly formed national governments by covert support, they also may be intercepted by other national covert adversaries.

From what we know, Benghazi may have been instigated by Obama and Hillary, (which would ironically explain their rush to claim responsibility, a month after the fact) just as plausibly as it may have been an in-your-face Al Quada attack, or maybe Russian backed, or anybody else.

IMHO, Romney could point out that the Obama Administration’s handling of Benghazi has perhaps done more harm to the diplomatic community and undermined the mission of the UN than any other Administration in US history.


1,064 posted on 10/17/2012 2:10:00 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I’m in Jax too and have only seen a few.


1,065 posted on 10/17/2012 2:12:43 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (This tagline for rent. Contact GeorgiaDawg32 for pricing and excellent financing options.)
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To: wardaddy
Debate started over ere at 0901:30 GMT+8. By 0910 I could not get into the thread. Just locked up cold.
Watched it on C-Span live.
I'm on a pretty high speed line (15 down-8 up) here - everything else worked but no FR.

Hope it gets sorted out by the 3rd debate.
1,066 posted on 10/17/2012 3:06:15 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Tainan

1066...Battle of Hastings...end of the Dark Ages...Start of the Middle Ages!


1,067 posted on 10/17/2012 3:13:27 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: RKBA Democrat

I can’t help but feel Romney lost last night for that one moment, that he allowed that POS to look him in the eye and pretend to be the Commander in Chief. Nevermind Obama lost 100% in facts and details, that has never mattered to libs.

Romney should have interupted just like Obama kept doing and ended that one....he just looked weak as the President put him down and raised himself above the politics, all the while looking him in the eye, no matter how absurd that is.

Romney put him down well earlier and that could have been a stand out moment, but Obama managed to lie his way back.

He was weak on Obamas personal criticisms of him. His business background (responding weakly much later in the debate), his 47% comments....Libya....he had chance after chance to score knock out blows and he didn’t.

That said the format was extremely hostile to him, Obama seemed to get the last word every time and the questioning from the ‘audience’ was questionable......Romney will do better in the last debate and hopefully land some bigger blows.


1,068 posted on 10/17/2012 3:32:40 AM PDT by UKrepublican
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To: Darnright
Get a transcript of his words and a link to them and print it on a piece of paper (to hand to your liberal friends when they are stupid enough to try this on you) because obama NEVER said ACT of terror... he mentioned terror but not in the use of this being an act of terror. IOW obama lied and Mitt was correct.

LLS

1,069 posted on 10/17/2012 3:52:44 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: Red Steel

crawl-ee also said that Paul Ryan was a Romney “death wish”. What do you expect from a corrupt fat arsed whore for satan?

LLS


1,070 posted on 10/17/2012 3:54:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: PghBaldy

Drug induced trembling. Those drugs that are supposed to temporarily increase intelligence and concentration have side effects.

LLS


1,071 posted on 10/17/2012 3:59:26 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESS ARE NO LONGER TRUSTWORTHY OR DESERVING OF RESPECT!)
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To: Paul R.

All excellent points, but Romney does superbly thinking on his feet.


1,072 posted on 10/17/2012 4:24:34 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: VRWCer

Valid point. I just hope the folks at home realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist.


1,073 posted on 10/17/2012 4:25:51 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx
Damn, Onyx! You got the SAME post in not once, not twice, but four times! I couldn't get the first post in last night nor could I get FR to run. Tried IE and Firefox and neither would work. sigh...grrrrrr
1,074 posted on 10/17/2012 4:26:44 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: sf4dubya
The whole strategy is to beat them senseless on their own turf with their rules, and it is working.

Do the folks at home, realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist?

1,075 posted on 10/17/2012 4:27:17 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx
Do the folks at home, realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist?

If they didn't, Crawley's "fact check" error will certainly make it clear. I sense a short commercial coming out of that one just to inform the public.

1,076 posted on 10/17/2012 4:37:01 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: Red Steel
The nightmare known as the Obama administration is almost over. 20 days left to his defeat. :-)

No, then he has two whole months until he has to leave in January, where he has nothing left to lose.

1,077 posted on 10/17/2012 4:45:47 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: onyx

“Do the folks at home, realize the moderators are in the tank for the Marxist?”

This stump jumper does.


1,078 posted on 10/17/2012 4:56:56 AM PDT by Clyde5445
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To: nutmeg
I haven't been able to access FR at all during any of the debates.

The main reason I joined FR in the first place was to join in on the live threads.
1,079 posted on 10/17/2012 5:01:58 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: onyx

Overlooked is the fact that Romney put an exclamation point on obama’s Libya lie when he said, “You are saying this FOR THE RECORD?”
After that, when obama and crowley doubled down, all they succeeded in doing was to compound the lie. It is on tape. They can’t take it back. And it WILL come back to bite both of them huge.


1,080 posted on 10/17/2012 5:21:08 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Paul R.
I wish someone eminent, but not Romney himself, would just come out on this issue and flatly say Obama is a liar.

Well Rush does it every day.

Or do you mean somebody REALLY big, like Bill Maher or Roseanne Barr?

1,081 posted on 10/17/2012 5:23:21 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: nutmeg

I very rarely come to FR these days, let alone depend on it for debate live threads. This site hasn’t been able to handle the volume for a long time, the “new servers” have been coming for years, same rhetoric over and over again, I just don’t have the patience for this nonsense.


1,082 posted on 10/17/2012 5:28:23 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: wardaddy; All
are we being attacked by prog saps

Probably. RAT disruptors.

Just think what a coordinated handful of pizza-faced, occupacker, basement geeks could do;

They could wreak havoc simply by logging on, hitting the reply button and constantly refreshing the page but never actually posting anything...or some other similar prank.

1,083 posted on 10/17/2012 5:32:23 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: novemberslady; RKBA Democrat; Lakeside Granny; CatherineofAragon; tomkat; nanetteclaret; StarFan

Thanks for the welcome. Boy, the debate was heated. I like how Romney kept pointing out Obama’s record. (Btw if a bad economy lowers gas prices, I am in favor. /s)


1,084 posted on 10/17/2012 5:45:24 AM PDT by convocation
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To: Paul R.

>Romney could say something like: “Why has a college education become so expensive that most people feel they need government assistance? As a businessman, I know something about what causes overpriced services. In this case, it is largely due to the Government.<

Paul, all of your suggestions are spot on. Anytime government subsidizes something, be it healthcare, real estate, or college costs, those costs will invariably go up.

Also, when welfare is abundant and simple to obtain, many people will turn to the easiest solution instead of finding the unskilled jobs Obama doesn’t seem to be worrying about providing. Not everyone is capable of keeping a high-skilled job, and Barack Obama is the poster child for that little factoid.


1,085 posted on 10/17/2012 6:36:24 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: nutmeg; SaraJohnson

Well, I couldn’t get my computer back on until just a few minutes ago. Woke up wondering if some group is purposely clogging the site so the regulars cannot get on.


1,086 posted on 10/17/2012 6:38:00 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: tapatio
I agree with you on that, that they tried to pull the wool over people's eyes and say it was the result of some obscure video in stead of telling us the truth in fact it was terrorism.
What I meant was, after last night that the excuse it was the result of the video, now that is lost in space now, they can't fall back on that excuse anymore..
1,087 posted on 10/17/2012 6:53:58 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: MestaMachine

I caught that, too. It is on the record, Obama did NOT say it was an act of terror in the Rose Garden (although his statement last night shows that he knew at the time that it was), then he continued on with the lie about the tape for 2 more weeks. I think Romney did very well with that and I think Obama’s statement will be used as further evidence that he was lying from the beginning of the Benghazi fiasco, especially now that Crowley has come out and said that she was wrong on it.


1,088 posted on 10/17/2012 7:04:07 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret

Fox just reported that obama said, at 10:09 PM in the debate, that within 20 minutes he WAS ON THE TELPHONE WITH HIS NSA GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION. So he KNEW within 20 minutes of the attack that it was a terrorist operation. Bill Hemmer says no one seems to have caught that little gem.


1,089 posted on 10/17/2012 7:28:31 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: tomkat

Well, there’s your problem right there! Move out of Chicago. I did and haven’t looked back.


1,090 posted on 10/17/2012 7:44:18 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Paul R.; All
We need to answer the question of what did the communists/marists obama adm. really inherit from GW Bush? It has never been answered and desperately needs to be answered.

Its not tough to do either.

Basically, we inherited a housing collapse courtesy of fannie and freddie, the dems, barney frank,Franklin raines, obama suing so anyone can get a loan etc., etc. They will point to a near 800 billion tarp as well. Problem is that money was repaid by the banks so its really a non issue.

The economy tanked big time because of what the dems forced through Congress and than sued to maintain until it was obvious that they had screwed up once again. Time we set the record straight.

Dem Congress after 2007,country went straight downhill.

1,091 posted on 10/17/2012 7:50:21 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: All

Romney was relentless.

I love how he kept fighting and I thought he fought pretty well in spite of the odds stacked against him.


1,092 posted on 10/17/2012 8:34:50 AM PDT by Califreak (Obama.... Get off my lawn! It's been a tough 4 years. Time for some R & R!)
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To: All
Is that Monica Lewinsky in the background?


1,093 posted on 10/17/2012 8:41:33 AM PDT by McGruff (I love the smell of DESPERATION in the morning. Smells like victory!)
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To: Cvengr
Good post,Obamas ability to lie about everything and then go Axelrod engaging in projection like mad is somewhat effective.

The only counter to it is for Mitt to anticipate the lie, correct for it, stand his ground after making his argument. It's slick what the regime does but truth will always win in the end.

1,094 posted on 10/17/2012 8:52:34 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: MestaMachine

I think Romney’s delivery was a little off on the benghazi/video question since fat candy kept interrupting to save the dear leader.


1,095 posted on 10/17/2012 8:55:11 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: MestaMachine

Whoa! This means that 1) not only did he know, 2) he didn’t do a thing to help those in the consulate and 3) he knowingly LIED about it and had others lie for 2 WEEKS!

I really, really hope that this little tidbit grows legs! It would be awesome if 0’s lies and deception came unraveled just in time for the next debate.


1,096 posted on 10/17/2012 8:55:43 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: rodguy911; nanetteclaret

Fox seems to be going through this debate minute by minute and word for word.


1,097 posted on 10/17/2012 9:08:44 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I forgive FR for not being able to handle the intense simultaneous posting traffic it must endure during debates. I can’t imagine the bandwidth demands resulting from such activity.

I don't. I couldn't get on for NONE of the debates. When we need to be on here, it's not available. It's a real letdown.

1,098 posted on 10/17/2012 9:27:29 AM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: onyx; All

” The idiot GOP-E never learns. Libatard “in the tank” moderators. “

We need to raise hell with our House reps and Senators. Allowing only hard core left wing moderators is tantamount to attempted suicide.THIS IS NOT A DAMN REALITY SHOW, OUR COUNTRY IS AT STAKE HERE!


1,099 posted on 10/17/2012 9:41:36 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: MestaMachine

Good. Then it will all be on the record and all 0’s lies will be exposed.


1,100 posted on 10/17/2012 9:47:59 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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