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**LIVE THREAD II** Second Presidential Debate - Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama (9:00 pm Eastern)
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/ ^

Posted on 10/16/2012 6:08:59 PM PDT by I Am Not A Mod

Originally Posted on 10/16/2012 2:13:41 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

This is a thread to split the load.

You can watch the debate online here: http://www.youtube.com/politics?feature=inp-hp-ype-26

Town Hall debate.

Admin Moderator notes: (We changed the main link to C-SPAN from You Tube as it is more reliable.)

The debate can also be watched at these links:

Places to watch the debate:

http://live.foxnews.com/

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

http://www.politico.com/livestream/


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To: Beatthedrum

*SNIFF*


281 posted on 10/16/2012 10:00:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Salamander

It’s not what the media show it’s what they don’t show. I know what stories the media hide. It’s mostly things that they don’t report that causes the false reality. They don’t report anything that will hurt Obama , democrats or socialism.


282 posted on 10/16/2012 10:00:59 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Salamander

There was a brief time - right after he was born and his father abandoned them.
It didn’t take long for her to take up with Lolo Soetero.
She was not a single mother during this time - and her husband had a good income.
And then he was shipped back to Hawaii - raised by grandparents - who also had a good income.

This narrative about spending his childhood with a struggling single mom is a lie.


283 posted on 10/16/2012 10:01:11 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Darren McCarty

She was horrible, and that the GOP let her pick from the 80 questions was ridiculous. She even managed to get in an “It’s all Bush fault” question. How does this question make it unless it’s a setup...This should give you an idea of how horrible this bitch was.

“I do attribute much of America’s economic and international problems to the failings and missteps of the Bush administration. Since both of you are Republicans, I fear the return to the policies of those years should you win this election. What is the biggest difference between you and George W. Bush, and how do you differentiate yourself from George W. Bush.”

Questions on women’s pay in the workplace, immigration, gun control, etc. all DNC talking points.

How stupid are the clowns running the GOP. Why do they agree to get setup in these debates. No conservative moderators, no control over questions. Every four years we have to put up with this nonsense.


284 posted on 10/16/2012 10:02:56 PM PDT by Beatthedrum
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

True but it’s hard to believe it was planned. Maybe a fortunate, unintended outcome, but not planned. I think Obama won solely on the LOW expectations from the last debate. Debates are rarely game changers, but we did have one of those and Romney won it.


285 posted on 10/16/2012 10:06:06 PM PDT by paul544
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To: Zeneta; Beatthedrum
I’m in sales, and if a prospect makes a statement that is patiently false you need to be diplomatic on how you deal with it. There simply isn’t enough time to not only restate what was said, but to reply in a way that doesn’t make you seem obnoxious.

Rommey is respectful, and he is not talking to Obama in this setting, he is talking to Americans.

More importantly, he *knows* he has the conservative base sewn up: they know now the stakes for the country and will not stay home, and the choice of Ryan (as a budget guy, meshes well with Romney's MBA) is not merely pandering nor a Hail Mary.

And therefore he is talking to the *undecideds* and *leaning Obama* voters: so he phrases things at the level of familiarity of the uninformed, those who get their news from the MSM. Of course he won't be as strident, or as detailed, as the political junkies on FR.

Remember, he ran *and won* in Massachusetts. He knows how to disarm the "right wing nutcase" label, and he is busy doing so.

Cheers!

286 posted on 10/16/2012 10:06:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Scotswife

Well the truth definitely has no inherently saccharine pathos or angst so we’ll just ‘edit’ it a bit, shan’t we?

LOL


287 posted on 10/16/2012 10:07:06 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: null and void

Flours....LOL


288 posted on 10/16/2012 10:07:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; I Am Not A Mod; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
RE :”I was not sure whether it was an accident, or Luntz had some purpose in stacking the jury, or what.”

Well I get the impression that Luntz was trying to pick an accurate (as possible) sample that would tell us something about how the race is going.
Sampling freepers or Rush 24-7 members would not do that even though it may make many here feel good.

I think he is doing the best at this. Hell, if Frank Luntz was stacking the deck for Dems THEN why the hell would RNC Hannity make him a showcase??? That makes NO sense at all.

289 posted on 10/16/2012 10:08:09 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: rurgan

But it all gets spilled *here*.


290 posted on 10/16/2012 10:08:36 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: Salamander

Yeah but most Americans don’t see what we see here so they believe that the media created reality is reality but it is not it’s a fake reality.


291 posted on 10/16/2012 10:09:52 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3
I still stand by my earlier point, polling committed Mccain voting Republicans says little about a general POTUS election this year. I think Luntz is the best we will find for accuracy.

You may be right. I guess I am just naturally skeptical. If 3/4 of all undecided prior-Obama-voters switched to Romney, that would be extraordinary.

And I think Ryan let a few obvious missiles through and I think those Luntz focus group member comments I reposted were accurate.

I agree. Boy Wonder.


292 posted on 10/16/2012 10:11:30 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: rurgan

And I do so enjoy personally disavowing them of cherished illusions.

“Woke up” 2 of them just last week.


293 posted on 10/16/2012 10:11:59 PM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep. Clowns will eat me.)
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To: rurgan; Salamander

Not any more. Americans don’t trust the press and see it as biased Left. Let’s not be so quick to throw our fellow Americans under the Obama Bus. Obama was packaged in 2008 in such a way that voters couldn’t tell or know about him. McCain was a terrible alternative.

Given the “facts” about both candidates they chose what appeared at the time to be the better choice. It appears they’ve learned their lesson this time round.

Our job as conservatives is to destroy the ideas that Obama stands for and supports. His loss in November doesn’t get us our country back. Romney isn’t our savior. America’s problems will be solved by Americans - all of us.


294 posted on 10/16/2012 10:14:19 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Salamander

You woke them up with a dose of reality, good going!


295 posted on 10/16/2012 10:17:03 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: 1010RD

I hope Americans saw how biased this Candy was.


296 posted on 10/16/2012 10:18:06 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: 1010RD

I hope Americans saw how biased this Candy was. I’m so furious at that Communist liberal pos candy. I hate the media


297 posted on 10/16/2012 10:18:51 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: Beatthedrum
Sounds worse than the VP questions - and that moderator was also bullschiesse.

Campaigns need to start negotiating the mods. Leher wasn't that bad since he let them go, but the others sucked.

298 posted on 10/16/2012 10:18:55 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Holding my nose one more time to get rid of Eric Holder)
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To: sickoflibs; I Am Not A Mod; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy
I think he is doing the best at this. Hell, if Frank Luntz was stacking the deck for Dems THEN why the hell would RNC Hannity make him a showcase??? That makes NO sense at all.

Those were some thoughts that had popped into my mind when I saw the first video of that group. But however Luntz did it, the result in the 2nd was very interesting.

299 posted on 10/16/2012 10:19:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs
Hey I remember you Sarah Palin’s # 1 fan lol. just kidding . so how do you think Sarah would have done against the Muslim communist?
300 posted on 10/16/2012 10:20:36 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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