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Cardinal Dolan: Catholic Church will ‘not obey’ immoral HHS mandate
Life Site News ^ | November 16, 2012 | PATRICK B. CRAINE

Posted on 11/16/2012 2:51:21 PM PST by NYer

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To: Longbow1969

This guy sure looks like a complete jack@ss for inviting Barack Obama to the Al Smith Dinner, doesn’t he?


21 posted on 11/16/2012 3:43:00 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: forgotten man

“In my diocese a guide for Catholic voters was distributed. The advice was to vote for candidates who support minimum wage laws and “social justice.”

...a good example of why I haven’t seen the inside of a US Roman Catholic church in >20 years. Commandeered by liberals since the late 60’s.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 3:48:25 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: forgotten man

I don’t know where you live, but here in our OKC area diocese, we received scads of articles in our Catholic newspaper for months on end and a pamphlet called “A Voter’s Guide for the Serious Catholic” plus repeated references in homilies during mass, all of which were carefully non-partisan but explicitly pro-life. A normal adult practicing Catholic here would have had a very hard tome claiming ignorance of the issues.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 4:07:00 PM PST by Coyote Choir
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To: Coyote Choir

I am in San Diego, CA. Maybe you have a stronger bishop.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 4:16:17 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: fwdude

Gladly, he isn;t.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 4:18:03 PM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: forgotten man

Save your soul.....get out of that PARISH!!!


26 posted on 11/16/2012 4:20:55 PM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: NYer

I am a Roman Catholic and I am sad to agree with several posts regarding the silence of the Bishops on Obamacare prior to the election, priests more concerned with ‘social justice’ and too many CINO’s with the Church.

There is a civil war brewing within the Church.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 4:21:52 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: NYer
Timmy and the rest of the "social justice" US bishops will find a way to accommodate themselves to the Obamacare mandates.

They are gentlemen, first and foremost, and they would never endanger their own cushy little lives for a little thing like Church doctrine.

28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:24:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: NYer
“The only thing we’re certainly prepared to do is not give in, not violate our consciences, and not obey what we consider to be something immoral.”
“How we do that and what doors would remain open to us to see if there’s some way consonant with our high moral principles to be able to do it, that’s something we’ve got to start to tackle…and we’re prepared to tackle,” added Dolan, who serves as president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Excellent!! They should simply ignore Obamacare, and continue to offer the insurance they've always offered, and keep the schools and hospitals open. If Obama insists on taking them on, that's his problem.

29 posted on 11/16/2012 4:28:59 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: fwdude
Too bad Cardinal Dolan is in the extreme minority in his church.

Um, no, he isn't. His name was put forth by some younger Bishops when it came time to elect a new President of the Bishop's conference, and he was voted in, with WAY more votes than the candidate who was preferred by the more liberal Bishops, who also, thankfully, happen to be the older ones, and the ones who will be replaced sooner.

30 posted on 11/16/2012 4:44:09 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: forgotten man

He’s new but seems very responsible. I hope he finds us responsible, too, or pushes us in that direction as shepherd. You are in what has been recently described at the Diplomad 2.0 blog as a...very different place from Oklahoma. But whether we must struggle with our local parishes or not, we are all united in faith.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 4:47:21 PM PST by Coyote Choir
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To: Bryanw92

Had it not been for some shameful medieval church shenanigans to protest, Martin Luther would have gotten less traction if he had even cared, and who knows what the face of Christianity would look like today. Anyhow, the ideal and real churches look quite different.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 4:49:36 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SuziQ
Excellent!! They should simply ignore Obamacare, and continue to offer the insurance they've always offered, and keep the schools and hospitals open. If Obama insists on taking them on, that's his problem.

That's what I hope will happen. However, I'm afraid too many of the prelates are either in way over their heads, or worse, are so weak as to be effectively complicit in Obama's plan.

33 posted on 11/16/2012 4:51:29 PM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: NYer

With all due respect Cardinal Dolan,
Your flock overwhelmingly is not listening to you. Now I don’t know if it’s because they think that you will never let them close the schools,hospitals etc. They must think that you will compromise and go along to get along.
However, I am keeping an eye on your decision to see if you too will tip your hand and show all of us what a hypocreten looks like.


34 posted on 11/16/2012 5:00:52 PM PST by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: NYer
Why did the Catholics go for King Obama? Looks like we have a few Catholics that just don't get it.
35 posted on 11/16/2012 5:02:19 PM PST by Logical me
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To: forgotten man
You are sadly right. The "social justice" heresy is the soft vulnerable underbelly of the Church which renders it too often totally impotent in standing up for principle. Large numbers of bishops have sold out to it wholesale. Dolan is a very good man but whether he has what it takes to lead this weak and vacillating American church, we'll see.
36 posted on 11/16/2012 5:32:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Verginius Rufus
He shouldn't have appeared at the Al Smith Dinner alongside Obama

Get real. The Al Smith Dinner is a fundraiser for Catholic Charities in the NY Diocese. For the Cardinal to ignore it would have been unthinkable.

37 posted on 11/16/2012 5:36:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If it hadn’t been for the medieval church shenanigans, Martin Luther wouldn’t have felt the need to nail his declaration on the door. Of course, if it hadn’t been for some shenanigans several hundred years earlier, we might all be Orthodox!


38 posted on 11/16/2012 6:30:23 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rovenstinez
We will welcome you!



39 posted on 11/16/2012 7:16:49 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: matginzac

“And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”


40 posted on 11/16/2012 7:18:57 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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