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Obama Administration: We Can and Will Force Christians to Act Against Their Faith
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 29, 2012 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 12/29/2012 6:57:48 PM PST by Olog-hai

In a legal argument formally presented in federal court in the case of Hobby Lobby v. Kathleen Sebelius, the Obama administration is claiming that the First Amendment—which expressly denies the government the authority to prohibit the “free exercise” of religion—nonetheless allows it to force Christians to directly violate their religious beliefs even on a matter that involves the life and death of innocent human beings. …

The Obama administration is making a two-fold argument for why it can force Christians to act against their faith in complying with the regulation it has issued under the Obamacare law that requires virtually all health care plans to cover, without co-pay, sterilizations, contraceptives, and abortion-inducing drugs.

The first argument the administration makes against the owners of Hobby Lobby is that Americans lose their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion when they form a corporation and engage in commerce. A person’s Christianity, the administration argues, cannot be carried out through activities he engages in through an incorporated business. … The second argument the administration makes to justify forcing Christians to act against their faith is more sweeping. Here the administration argues it can force a person to act against his religion so long as the coercion is done under the authority of a law that is neutral and generally applicable—in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …

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To: Rashputin
RE :”The individual O-care fine is so small that once young adults figure it out they will just pay the fine, then they will get insurance once sick.”
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It would seem small to people working forty hours a week, but the first effect of Barry Care is that the 28 hour work week will become the norm. “

Well maybe employers and Rs should explain that their hours are cut back because of O-care.

Rs should try something new, to get voters on their side,

81 posted on 12/29/2012 11:45:46 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: Olog-hai

>> in other words, as long as the law was not written specifically to persecute Christians as Christians, the government can use that law to persecute Christians. …

This is what the homo ‘marriage’ laws are doing right now.


82 posted on 12/29/2012 11:58:20 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric

In the practical sense, the Left is saying the 1st Amendment does not apply to commerce, nor corporations.

Maybe its time to revalidate the separate legal entity status corporations now enjoy by affirming 1st Amendment privilege.


83 posted on 12/30/2012 12:04:09 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: sickoflibs
"Well maybe employers and Rs should explain that their hours are cut back because of O-care."

Several employers in this area are. McDonald's that just opened, Walgreen's when staffing a new store, Best Buy when hiring for Christmas and telling people they will retain some of those they hire for Christmas because they're reducing individual hours to below 28 hours for everyone except management, and so on.

The thing is, a huge number of the younger folks just whine and want the fascist democrats to force everyone to cover every employee even if they only work one hour. It's not a matter of the "word not getting out", it's a matter of a slacker, stoner, lazy, couple of generations who love a twenty-eight hour work week because it covers their dope and electronics. For almost everything else they still rely on Mommy and Daddy.

Until Mommy and Daddy start throwing them out in the street, they're perfectly content to work part time and hang out more than they work. They've believe the way they lived by doing the bare minimum while in college is the norm and it's the lifestyle they want. At least that's what I found when I was teaching a course at the local Community College for several years.

The people who are waking up are the ones already screwed by growing up in a single parent home where Mom doesn't have the money to keep them up even if she will let them sleep on the sofa. Even those folks, though, are just starting to figure things out when they get to their mid or late twenties.

It was an absolute shock to me to find out young folks these days don't have the desire to stand on their own feet and make their own life better, but by and large, that's the case. Getting by is the height if their ambition in most cases and even if you offer them a good job that requires them to get their hands dirty or actually hustle and work all day, most younger people don't want it. Working instead of just showing up isn't what they have in mind.

The only group that is an exception to that sort of attitude are the veterans and they were already head and shoulders above the crowd because they cared about something enough to enlist in the first place. Whether it was their country, money for college money, or whatever, they cared about something when the majority of other people their age cared about nothing. When they leave the service the care deeply about both their country and about standing on their own two feet to make a good life for their self and their family.

84 posted on 12/30/2012 12:24:05 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Cicero

The cold, stiff, ugly face of that broad, Kathleen Sebaceous Cyst,(she’ll have to look that medical term up, since this Sec’y. of “Health” is no doctor) tells me almost everything I want to know about who and what she is. She will have to be dealt with.

This is one evil, vile enemy we’re dealing with. Fight it, delay it, obstruct it, destroy it.


85 posted on 12/30/2012 1:27:43 AM PST by itssme
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To: AppyPappy
Most Protestants do not oppose birth control

No wonder we lose elections, we are killing our future voters. Anyway, clearly many professing Christians are not.

Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

86 posted on 12/30/2012 1:56:39 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Cicero
The change came quite late, beginning with the Anglican Church. And, of course, acceptance of birth control soon led to acceptance of abortion and perversion.

Look where the Anglicans and Episcopalians are now -- lesbians ordaining one another, gay priests parading their boyfriends at services, and the Third World Anglican bishops being petitioned to minister to American congregations who cannot abide their flaming "church leadership".

87 posted on 12/30/2012 3:21:26 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: PghBaldy
Worse than the USSR or Nazi Germany? Really?

Christians were not the direct targets of the Nazi government, nor were they targeted by the USSR as directly as they are by the current administration. So, yes, really. Hitler was more evil than Obama (at least from what we have seen so far from our Dear Leader), but his targets of choice were Jews, Gypsies, and Homosexuals. Obama also hates Jews, but he has targeted Christians first for reasons that we can only guess at.

88 posted on 12/30/2012 3:37:10 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Olog-hai

Is it not amazing. ALL ISLAM and Congress (traitors to
the US Constitution) are EXEMPT.

How special. Just for attacking the Pentagon
and the World Trade Towers and killing Americans
THEY get a special deal from Congress.


89 posted on 12/30/2012 4:22:25 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Pollster1

OK. Point taken, though to be fair to Dear Leader, Hitler went after Jehovah’s Witnesses, IIRC, and clergy, though I think (just like Obama) he could say it was for reasons besides faith itself (even though the result is the same - persecution).


90 posted on 12/30/2012 5:11:02 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: CottShop
The solution to this is............................... ~ and ~ .................................
91 posted on 12/30/2012 5:14:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Rashputin
because it covers their dope and electronics. For almost everything else they still rely on Mommy and Daddy

I have a 43 year old sister in law with a masters degree that lives with her mom and dad off of a phony disability claim who does just that. Dope and electronics.

92 posted on 12/30/2012 5:54:34 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: null and void

In the end, God will overcome them and WIN.


93 posted on 12/30/2012 6:05:45 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Hootowl

Most Protestants support the use of birth control pills and such.


94 posted on 12/30/2012 6:06:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: Olog-hai

1. There are not enough jails to house the massive civil disobediance that is coming
2. The lost revenue is immense
3. Lil Barry has sewn the seeds of his own demise


95 posted on 12/30/2012 6:19:56 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: AppyPappy
Most Protestants support the use of birth control pills and such.

Tricky phrase: "and such". I personally approve of birth control, and not just because I wish Pelosi's mother and Obama's mother had used it. I also consider abortion to be murder, morally although not legally. Those personal views are irrelevant to the political issue. For a government to compel people who find either one reprehensible to directly pay for what they see as a grave moral sin is shocking and unacceptable. The Latin term is casus belli, and I would be 100% on the side of those who resisted such an act of evil.

96 posted on 12/30/2012 6:41:03 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rashputin

Every generation says the same thing about the generation preceding it. Its the oldest saw it goes back thousands of years.

BTW I did see a fat older union thug punch that younger libertarian in the face.


97 posted on 12/30/2012 7:04:19 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: sport
No, Christians did not vote for obama.Self proclaimed "Christians" voted for obama. But no Born Again Christians voted for the Anti-Christ, a/k/a obma.

Because abortion was not the only thing that flies into the face of God he advocates. Sodomy and allowing two sodomites to make a mockery of His institution of marriage are two more. So, again, no Born Again Christian voted for the sob.

No, they didn't.

They merely refused to vote for the only candidate who had any chance to keep him out of office.

98 posted on 12/30/2012 7:21:21 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: Eva
Can they also force Muslims to act against their faith, or do they get a waiver and Sharia law?

muslims are exempt.

De facto establishment of a State Religion.

99 posted on 12/30/2012 7:24:48 AM PST by null and void (Socialism: Equal parts dumb and evil, in a blender.)
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To: Olog-hai

I’m seeing this as an invite for another Crusade?


100 posted on 12/30/2012 7:29:46 AM PST by Quickgun (I came here screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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