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The Letter Blew Away
vanity ^ | 16 Jan 2013 | palmer

Posted on 01/16/2013 6:51:48 PM PST by palmer

"I was going to write my Congressman but there was a sudden gust of wind and the letter blew away." Make sense? How about: this: "I lost my firearms in a (insert overused unfunny cliche) accident so I no longer exercise my Second Amendment rights." In other words, I'll just pretend to not be armed until some ill-defined time in the future, and then I'll get out my firearms, and do some practice since I won't have had any for years and then... ?? Maybe at that point I'll find my pen and some more paper and ???


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Here's my situation: I have a few, pathetically few .22 magazines that may become "illegal" again at some point. I will not give them up. But if I chose to fight physically, I would be killed in minutes at the most. So I choose to fight in the political arena. It is not much, but I do what I can:

1 posted on 01/16/2013 6:51:54 PM PST by palmer
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To: palmer

Good for you! Seriously.

Not sure I’m really understanding the point you’re trying to make though.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 6:55:41 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: palmer

I called my senator but her last name is Feinstein, so it is the same as throwing up a letter into the wind


3 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:04 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: palmer

I would love to fight this in the political Arena, but unfortunately I have Sen.s Mikulski, Cardin ,and Representative Steny Hoyer.

My letter may as well be lost as to write to these liberal piss-ants.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:12 PM PST by Venturer
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To: palmer

when the republican party called for a donation, I gave him a long winded rant and hung up on him. May as well have started punching and slapping the wind


5 posted on 01/16/2013 6:59:25 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: Venturer

Call the capitol switchboard and ask for any Congress Critter you want. It will help if you are prepared to give an address and zip code from their district. 202-224-3121. Or you can call after hours and leave them a voice mail.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 6:59:45 PM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: palmer

At what point do we stand and fight? What’s the trigger event for you? Abrogation of the 2nd? Suspension of habeus corpus? Cancellation of an election?


7 posted on 01/16/2013 7:00:20 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: palmer

“”I lost my firearms in a (insert overused unfunny cliche) accident “

I sold all of mine in a private sale to a couple of New Yorkers.


8 posted on 01/16/2013 7:01:27 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: csmusaret

>> Or you can call after hours and leave them a voice mail.

Unless their mailbox is full. Which is usually.

Let’s face it — if you’re not a big donor they don’t give a rat’s ass about hearing from you.

More precisely — their INTERNS don’t give a rat’s ass.

Mr. or Mrs. Important Representative him/herself are too important to have contact with mere citizens.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 7:02:46 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: palmer
Men have been misplacing their weapons for a long time.

Q. Can anything less than a military force carry the Stamp Act into execution?

A. I do not see how a military force can be applied to that purpose.

Q. Why may it not?

A. Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take stamps who chooses to do without them. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.


Benjamin Franklin, Testimony Against the Stamp Act (1766)
10 posted on 01/16/2013 7:03:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: palmer

I was freaked out the past week of so about obamas executive orders. BUT after reading them I believe he has blinked.

He is toothless. He wants congress to deal with this.

The congress and Senate are too afraid to pass anything as they WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.

HOO HOO today was a good day!


11 posted on 01/16/2013 7:11:33 PM PST by kennyboy509 ( Ha! I kill me!!!)
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To: palmer

Buy more firearms and donate them to the Urban Outdoorsmen.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 7:12:18 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: palmer
Have they banned hat pins yet?

You can pry them from my old gray head.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 7:13:30 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: muir_redwoods
What’s the trigger event for you?

The moment any gun-grabber decides to visit my area....

14 posted on 01/16/2013 7:18:11 PM PST by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: Nervous Tick

I get and second his point.

Too many gun owners will not admit thereto without veiling the fact in a lame overused embarrassing joke about “lost ‘em all in a boating accident”.
They’re the people who, when needed to stand up and fight, will quietly excuse themselves due to some subsequent engagement.

Bugs the hell outta me here on FR.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 7:26:00 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: palmer

At this point, I would be very careful writing to any Federal official. I have a sneaking suspicion that the names and address of dissidents will be kept for future use. Me? As the tag-line says. Loading up and hunkering down. Burying firearms and ammo in the side lot.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 7:26:52 PM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: muir_redwoods
What’s the trigger event for you? Abrogation of the 2nd?

Abrogation is being done one infringement at a time. We have to fight every infringement. Read the NRA website that I linked to. They may not be perfect but they say we have to stand and fight. We need to do so while we have numbers to do so. If we "lose" too many firearms in accidents, then we lose politically.

17 posted on 01/16/2013 7:29:54 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: ctdonath2
Amen.

You'd think with all the damn "boating accidents" that FR consisted of nothing but Kennedys.

18 posted on 01/16/2013 7:30:48 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: ctdonath2

Your prior rants on this topic were my inspiration.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 7:31:16 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Tupelo
Loading up and hunkering down

You can choose to do whatever you want to do. I am only suggesting that people should not copy your strategy.

20 posted on 01/16/2013 7:33:34 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: muir_redwoods
What’s the trigger event for you?

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A critical question indeed!

As a society we have become desensitized to violence ("Bullet To The Head" is the name of Stallone's latest movie, or take a video game like "Assassin's Creed") yet we are personally appalled at the thought of committing violence against anyone. (Even when they richly deserve it!) We are a very law-abiding people, really, except for that tiny fraction of one percent who are true psychotic nutjobs.

Remember, the colonial militiamen on Lexington Green were in retreat when the "shot heard 'round the world" became THEIR trigger event.

So what, indeed, will push us over the edge and make us take that old musket down from the mantlepiece? I feel we are very close to such a moment.

21 posted on 01/16/2013 7:35:53 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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To: palmer

:-)


22 posted on 01/16/2013 7:40:48 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: MountainDad

Would a 10,000% tax on ammunition qualify? How about an 18 month waiting period for a long gun? Somehow I don’t see them driving around shouting “Bring out your guns”


23 posted on 01/16/2013 7:47:52 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: kennyboy509

I think there’s an incrementalism in Obama’s EO’s.
For example, tracing arms used in crimes, could lead to civil suits against the gun owner himself. Who would want to own a gun that could cost you all you have worked for?

As far as taking action, go to any and all gun shows just to piss off the liberals. That’s my answer.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 8:13:52 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: palmer
I've already made my decision and I stand by it publicly. I'm prepared to become a criminal for the first time in my life if any of this BS gets through. Although I don't think there will be any new gun restrictions, I have already decided... I will not register anything. I will not submit to nor require a background check on private sales. If I want to sell off some of my stock of 30rd mags, I will. If I feel like giving weapons to a friend or family member, I'll do it privately.

My other answer is, well... I just ordered 2 more Garand's for my collection and another 2,000 rounds of ammo in case my neighbors need hardware some day. I paid too damn much for the ammo, but I considered myself lucky to even find it right now. I'm actually quite excited, I ordered one of the re barreled Garand's in .308... so it's like Christmas time around here with me waiting for the FedEx guy.

25 posted on 01/16/2013 8:15:42 PM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: palmer
Peccadillos. Do what you like. Just don't call a magazine a clip.
26 posted on 01/16/2013 8:16:27 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: KTM rider
I wrote to my senators and representative in both my State legislature and my representatives in DC. I got back a reply from one of the Senators from my State, a national socialist (aka democrat):

...I believe a combination of improved access to mental health services, restrictions on certain weapons intended for the battlefield, and elimination of the gun show loophole are sensible steps that can protect our communities and particularly, our children...

He's partially right, mostly wrong. No restrictions. Where in the Bill of Rights does it say these rights may be infringed and restricted based on what someone else has or is doing. (eg. the military) Hmm, let's see... Oh, it doesn't. In fact the Bill of Rights explicitly says these rights shall not be infringed. Sorry Senator, I am diametrically opposed to you on that restrictions thing - letting some political hack determine what I need or don't need. That's not freedom and liberty, that's tyranny.

Also good Senator, if you are really concerned about the safety of our children in their schools you'll take steps to immediately end the idiotic and utterly failed "gun free zone" policy. That has been a failure for 20 years now. All it does is turn our schools into hunting preserves for the evil and insane. We should allow, even encourage teachers and staff to get firearms, get training, and carry their weapons with them at all times.

27 posted on 01/16/2013 8:22:32 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: palmer

I think I get your point.

I do understand, however, why people would want to give big thug government the finger - - there’s something satisfying about that. But the best way to address big thug government’s efforts at citizen control is to make all gun and ammo purchases privately with cash. Gun shows are good places to shop. NEVER use your real name (unless for some reason you are asked by a genuine LEO). Use your “pen name”. Make your buys and shut up. Stay off the radar.

Then you never have to “capsize your boat”.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 8:25:05 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ThunderSleeps

bttt


29 posted on 01/16/2013 8:27:28 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: KTM rider
I called my senator but her last name is Feinstein, so it is the same as throwing up a letter into the wind

I just couldn't resist the temptation to fix that.

30 posted on 01/16/2013 8:37:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: kennyboy509
I was freaked out the past week of so about obamas executive orders. BUT after reading them I believe he has blinked.

The First Nitwit signed an Executive Order ordering hinmself to nominate someone to fill the vacant position of Director of the ATF.

That is Obama's responsibility and he has left the position vacant since he was sworn in in 2009.

A big factor affecting the delay has been the controversies surrounding the gun running schemes that the ATF has been involved in. Another is the ongoing disagreement over gun control - democrats want more from the ATF and republicans are opposed..


31 posted on 01/16/2013 8:50:18 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: ctdonath2

I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the meaning behind the “lost ‘em all in a boating accident” phrase. It’s not an attempt to disengage from supporting the 2nd Amendment by any means.


32 posted on 01/16/2013 8:59:01 PM PST by kaboom
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To: palmer

Ya aren’t getting it, are ya?

Admitting you own firearms on a public forum such as this just puts you on a fedgov list. That means if obastard gets his way, you’ll get one of the first friendly visits. You won’t stand a chance. Of course, all active Freepers are probably already on that list, so it is a moot point. (Think that sounds nuts? Look at how the DHS has identified potential domestic terrorists.)

Ergo, it’s simply laughing in the face of tryranny.

That said, denying you own firearms does not preclude expressing your pro-2nd view to your congresscritters.


33 posted on 01/16/2013 9:05:55 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: kennyboy509
He wants congress to deal with this.

The congress and Senate are too afraid to pass anything as they WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.

I hope you are right.

I fear you are wrong.

Either way, I'm going to attend the Gun Appreciation Day gathering at my state capitol (Denver) on Saturday. That is my part in letting my representatives know that I'm serious about putting them out of a job if they vote the wrong way.

I encourage all Freepers to do the same!


34 posted on 01/16/2013 9:08:22 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: muir_redwoods

Trigger Point, quite an interesting term.

Let’s see, if we as a People decide not to Comply with the Unconstitutional Mandates being dictated to us by self serving Politicians, we have no doubt that the Government they control will act against us.

Their support by the Useful and Useless Idiots who Elected them means nothing to me simply because I know my Rights come from God Almighty, not some untrustworthy people that wouldn’t warrant an ounce of respect from me.

I have already made the decision that I will not Comply, and every Law Abiding Gun Owner will have to make that choice in the very near future. I will do whatever I need to do to protect myself and my Family from my, no THE Government, which is something I would have never imagined having to do in my lifetime.

We live in a Society where a majority of the population are slaves to popular culture. These are the same people that now depend on Fascists to meet their needs and wants so they can avoid the sacrifices required to be a free people.

At a soon to be point in time, “Representatives” of the Government will either act as Agents of Tyranny against the “former” Law Abiding Citizens of the United States or they will disobey their orders and stand down.

The Trigger Point will involve a Citizen resisting the invasion of his Home by the new American SS. He/She will either become a Martyr or a Political Prisoner and that same person will embolden others to resist. Instead of a Trigger Point, it will be more akin to Rolling Thunder IMHO.


35 posted on 01/16/2013 9:26:56 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: kaboom
I’m not sure if you’re recognizing the meaning behind the “lost ‘em all in a boating accident” phrase. It’s not an attempt to disengage from supporting the 2nd Amendment by any means.

Yes, it is, and here's why: when they come for your guns, it is not time to pretend you don't have them, it is time to USE them. Failing to do that only allows them to get their apparatus in place and terrorize your neighbors. When will you go diving for those lost guns? After the first wave of Americans are gassed in the camps? Too late.

Did our forefathers, at Lexington and Concord, simply tell the British, "We lost our guns in a canoe accident!" ?
36 posted on 01/17/2013 12:45:06 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: piytar
Admitting you own firearms on a public forum such as this just puts you on a fedgov list. That means if obastard gets his way, you’ll get one of the first friendly visits. You won’t stand a chance.

I agree with all of that. I believe the number of people on the list should be as large as possible by our efforts, not theirs. Already there is a hint of divide and conquer around here and we are doing it to ourselves.

37 posted on 01/17/2013 2:13:13 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: fr_freak

I sometimes hear the argument that gassing Americans would be politically incorrect. However the answer is that right now, raids against law-abiding Americans to confiscate their guns is politically incorrect, although just barely. What the left wants is to further demonize gun owners to make it politically correct to grab their guns. It doesn’t help that people feed the image of gun ownership as a fringe issue.


38 posted on 01/17/2013 2:23:09 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: kaboom

I do recognize the meaning. It’s still sapping strength from the pro-gun position by feigning weakness instead of asserting confidence. We need people standing up shouting “molon labe” instead of mumbling “well I lost ‘em...”

It’s giving a little dirt and water to Xerxes, a trifling token of abject submission.


39 posted on 01/17/2013 6:51:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: ctdonath2

You know, the “guns in the lake” thing doesn’t bother me at all... I just take it as it was meant to be taken.

It’s a joke, son. J-O-K-E, Joke.

Lighten up, Francis. Or do you think we have to walk around all long-faced every hour of every day to be True Believing conservatives?

The stuff you read into it is asinine. If I have to share a foxhole with anyone, I don’t want it to be a sourpuss, tell you what.


40 posted on 01/17/2013 6:56:40 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: piytar

“Admitting you own firearms on a public forum such as this just puts you on a fedgov list.”

Oh, I’m on a list all right. NFA. Three times, and two more soon if I can manage. I’ve let them know that not only do I have guns, I’ve got some pretty serious ones, and they have absolutely no justification to take them (as I’ve passed every conceivable background check).

I’m on another list too. C&R. I’m so trustworthy I can have battle rifles shipped to my door with zero government monitoring, and they know it.

Yeah I have guns.
Yeah I’m on fedgov lists.
Yeah they know there is no justification to disarm me.


41 posted on 01/17/2013 7:08:30 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: KTM rider
I called my senator but her last name is Feinstein, so it is the same as throwing up a letter into the wind

Her staffers might read your letter and a few drips of common sense might seep into their heads.

They probably have daily brain bleaching sessions so they don't get infected with thoughts of liberty.

42 posted on 01/17/2013 7:17:08 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Nervous Tick

I wouldn’t read so much into it if there wasn’t so much of it to read.


43 posted on 01/17/2013 7:20:17 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: ctdonath2

You’re too full of yourself. You have your ideas and your opinions like all of us — cool — but what you actually KNOW about anyone here and their true motives asymtotically approaches zero.

You seem to think there are just two possible outcomes to tyranny:
a) Turn in your guns the first time you’re asked, or
b) Open the door with guns a-blazin’, get yourself and probably your loved ones killed immediately, but I GOT TWO OF THE BASTARDS BEFORE THEY GOT ME!!!

You couldn’t be more wrong. And I don’t give a damn how many C&R permits you hold — you’re STILL wrong. Should it actually come down to it, there are much more *effective* means of resistance than meeting them headon at the front door with your tricked out Black Rifle.

FRegards

Oh, one more thing. In all of your FR bluster about guns and how badass you are and how badass we should all be, I’m reminded of that old adage: “Those that know don’t talk... those that talk don’t know.”


44 posted on 01/17/2013 7:30:24 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

You’re too full of yourself. You have your ideas and your opinions like all of us — cool — but what you actually KNOW about anyone here and their true motives asymtotically approaches zero.


45 posted on 01/17/2013 7:36:24 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: ctdonath2

Touche.

On the other hand I actually DO know more about you and your motives, because you’re working so tirelessly to shove them down my and everyone else’s throat.


46 posted on 01/17/2013 7:40:12 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: ctdonath2

Ever been in the military?

Just curious.


47 posted on 01/17/2013 7:41:28 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Shoving them? No, just exercising my 1st Amendment right in a way this forum was intended to facilitate. You can ignore me if you want. You can stop reading this thread if you want. Don’t criticize me for participating the same way you are.
You replied to me first, remember.


48 posted on 01/17/2013 7:44:15 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Nervous Tick

“You replied to me first, remember.”

Oops, strike that.

But do note that this thread was, as has been noted, inspired by my comments elsewhere. You asked what the point was, and I explained it.


49 posted on 01/17/2013 7:49:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: Nervous Tick

“Ever been in the military?”

I’m reminded of that old adage: “Those that know don’t talk... those that talk don’t know.”


50 posted on 01/17/2013 7:51:40 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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