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NY Democrat pleads with Republican not to share document proposing confiscation of guns
The commentator ^ | 1/20/2013 | The commentator

Posted on 01/20/2013 8:41:27 AM PST by listenhillary

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To: listenhillary

The day you think you need to bury your guns is most probably the day you should be using them.


21 posted on 01/20/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by Lockbar (Quality Factory Loaded Ammunition ------- The New Gold)
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To: TPOOH

The Administration is lying!

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Of course they are lying. That is all they do. And the FOOLS of the Congress let them get away with it. This opportunistic political gun-confiscation effort has nothing to do with the recent incident of a nutcase going wild. They could care less about THAT. Just a convenient “crisis”.

It is all about disarming the LAW-ABIDING American citizen, and TRASHING THE CONSTITUTION. Just another step in the radical, anti-American agenda of this administration.


22 posted on 01/20/2013 9:27:31 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: listenhillary

“Congress has no power to disarm the Militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the Federal or State governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”

– Tenche Coxe, letter to James Madison during adoption of the Bill of Rights in the United States Congress (1789)

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms. The Constitution ought to secure a genuine militia and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include...all men capable of bearing arms. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” “... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trial by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny.”

– Richard Henry Lee, Letters From The Federal Farmer (1788)

http://www.minutemanrkba.com/americas-founders-on-rkba.html


23 posted on 01/20/2013 9:29:32 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: listenhillary

MA Gov. Patrick is planning the confiscation of all firearms that hold more than 7 rounds.


24 posted on 01/20/2013 9:37:49 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: listenhillary

Bfl


25 posted on 01/20/2013 9:39:41 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: listenhillary
This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers.

Which they did.

26 posted on 01/20/2013 9:40:48 AM PST by umgud
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pabianice~:” MA Gov. Patrick is planning the confiscation of all firearms that hold more than 7 rounds. “

And if he proposes a central amory for all firearms = be prepared for another Lexington and Concord !


27 posted on 01/20/2013 9:45:15 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Pay attention - the inmates ARE running the asylum!)
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To: CapnJack
I supported my NYS Senator who ran as a Conservative. He spoke out against the bill one day and voted for it the next.

I know him personally. I know his family. I told him that not only will I never vote for him again for anything but I will work against him even if it means a lib wins.

28 posted on 01/20/2013 9:47:32 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: listenhillary
Folks, this scenario ain`t too far off from Cuomomussolini`s Fascist agenda:.

"Ethiops told to Surrender ALL FIREARMS

Hundreds of Warriors Return to Capital from Hills

FOOD SHORTAGE Italians, Ethiopians Put On Short Rations; Life Returning Addis Ababa May 1.

Marshal Peitro Badogilo today ordered all Ethiopians to turn in their firearms by night under penalty of being shot."

-'Plattsburgh -Republican', 1936 Friday, May 8

29 posted on 01/20/2013 9:54:20 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower.)
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To: listenhillary

Some interesting tidbits:
1. NY State Constitution does NOT have a 2nd Amendment. There is no state law guaranteeing the freedom to bear arms.
2. Federal law would trump state law, IIRC.
3. Article I, Section 10, Clause 1 of US Constitution says “No state may... pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law,”
4. A bill of attainder NOT punishable by death is caled a bill of pains and penalties. Same prohibition.
5. Bill of attainder: The loss of all civil rights by a person sentenced for a serious crime. In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment).
6. SCOTUS extant law is Calder v. Bull (1798) “states are prohibited from bills of attainder.”
7. When do the lawsuits start?


30 posted on 01/20/2013 9:55:39 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt


31 posted on 01/20/2013 10:03:04 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: NTHockey

http://www.minutemanrkba.com/why-rkba.html

NEW YORK:

Conditioned its ratification of the new U.S. Constitution on adoption of the following: “That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well regulated militia, including the body of the people capable of bearing arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state.”

The New York Constitution of 1777 contained no Bill of Rights, but its framers insisted that the federal Constitution include such provisions. In addition, the members of the constitutional convention in New York “were obliged to go armed, so as to protect themselves from stray marauding parties ....”.

No reference in the present Constitution.


32 posted on 01/20/2013 10:05:19 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: NTHockey

There’s some discussion on the NY page. There is a lawsuit already started. Demonstrations in Buffalo and Albany yesterday.

Problem seems to me that the other side are organized and they flood the inboxes and phone lines. We did too but they must have done us one better. There was even a tiny pro-gun-control protest in my neighborhood yesterday.

Eighteen Republicans voted against this in the State Senate, I believe all from upstate. Upstate is different, but there aren’t enough of them anymore.


33 posted on 01/20/2013 10:07:53 AM PST by firebrand
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To: wtc911

I know him personally. I know his family. I told him that not only will I never vote for him again for anything but I will work against him even if it means a lib wins.


Let him know too, that should a devestating ‘act of God’ befall him and his, that you will not feel compelled to assist him.


34 posted on 01/20/2013 10:28:36 AM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Love me or hate me, you will respect me. ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Does anyone think the criminals that are armed today are going to disarm?

Anyone think the black panthers are going to disarm?

Anyone think the thugs in your major urban cities - black thugs - the ones that just look at you with a look they want you dead - are going to disarm?

Seriously. They want it open season on whites in particular (Eric the Racist Holder) and anyone who isn’t a criminal, in general.


35 posted on 01/20/2013 10:32:18 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Bookmarking


36 posted on 01/20/2013 10:46:01 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: Secret Agent Man

http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/2013/01/a-question-for-our-president.html


37 posted on 01/20/2013 11:04:04 AM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: TPOOH

Can you please post a link to this report?


38 posted on 01/20/2013 11:04:34 AM PST by patriotsblood
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To: tired&retired
the government attacking our 2nd amendment rights is no different than them attacking our 1st.

Imagine if the list looked like this:

The full list of proposals can be read below:

1. Confiscation of all bullhorns, microphones, newspapers, books, magazines and ability to post news on the Internet.

2. Limiting all speech to 10 words or less.

3. Statewide database for ALL people seeking a permit to speak freely.

4. Continue to free speech permit holder’s information to be replaced to the public

5. Label all speech consisting of more than 5 sentences as as “assault weapons”

6. Limit the number of sentences anyone can say to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of all banned means of disseminating the news.

7. Limit possession to no more magazines, books, or newspapers.

8. Limit purchase of news to one type per person per month

9. Require re-licensing of all free speech permit owners

10. Require renewal of all free speech permits every five years

11. State issued free speech permits

12. Micro-stamping of all forms of news and printed speech in New York State

13. Require licensing of all printers, copy shops, and web hosting services

14. Mandatory locking of all news related material at home

15. Fee for obtaining a free speech license.

39 posted on 01/20/2013 11:09:08 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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40 posted on 01/20/2013 11:15:53 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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