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Rubio, Senate ‘Gang of Eight’ unveil bipartisan immigration deal (Amnesty, H-1B Visas DOUBLED!)
Miami Herald ^ | 1/28/13 | MARC CAPUTO

Posted on 01/28/2013 6:17:14 AM PST by jimbo123

A group of eight Democratic and Republicans senators, including Florida’s Marco Rubio, will officially release a wide-ranging immigration plan Monday that could give a pathway to citizenship, tighten border security and increase guest-worker permits.

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Most controversially, the proposal would give a pathway to residency — and even citizenship — to many of the estimated 11 million immigrants unlawfully in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnesty2013; bohica; democratvoters; mccain; thanxrinos
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To: Theoria

Why is it a “good” thing that hispanic senators arrange to make illegal hispanics into citizens?

For that matter, the dems on this are all extreme left wingers.

This is a disgrace. I want amnesty from all law breaking if this goes through, I have total respect for our laws but with this I say screw it. Why not, they did.


61 posted on 01/28/2013 8:06:08 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: jimbo123

I’m not convinced that this is a sell-out. The draft proposal doesn’t look too bad:
> Participants go to the back of the line to get a “Green Card”, although they will have some probationary status that will make them “legal”.
> No government benefits
> Pay back taxes and penalties
> Learn English and take U.S. Civics classes
> Result is a “Green Card”, with potential to work toward citizenship on a normal 7 year track - after the green card.

The devil is in the details, but there are strong provisions for border control and engagement with border state Governors and Attorneys General.

It’s always unsettling with Schummer, Durbin and, even McCain and Graham. I am willing to listen, with Rubio and Flake involved.


62 posted on 01/28/2013 8:09:21 AM PST by Tandem (What ever happened to personal responsibility & self-reliance?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“We need to address their needs or the Democrats will do so—”

Their ‘needs’...what? The “need” to break our laws? The ‘need’ for welfare? They NEED to take care of their own needs in their own countries? WHY is ‘their needs’ our problem??


63 posted on 01/28/2013 8:11:42 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
"This immigration bill may or may not be useful to that end, but the fact is that people will vote for people who “look like them”...and it sure as hell would help the conservative cause if we actively promoted men like Rubio and Cruz."

Since when do lily-white Rubio and Cruz look like brown-skinned Mexicans? It's a wishful fantasy to think that illegal Mexicans are going to vote for Rubio and Cruz just because they happen to speak Spanish.

"They may disappoint us once in a while, but their thinking will be much better than that of a Hitlery...."

For the love of......disappoint us once in a while? When have they NOT disappointed us?

For me, continuing to support the corrupt, race-pandering Republican party is pretty much the same as becoming a Democrat.

64 posted on 01/28/2013 8:12:00 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: kabar

Anything that does not deport all Illegals is Amnesty

Anyone still supporting Rubio is not a Conservative.....more like a Socialist


65 posted on 01/28/2013 8:23:00 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SoFloFreeper
We need to address their needs or the Democrats will do so—and then the Democrats will use that electoral advantage to crush individual liberty.

George W. Bush took steps to address the needs of Mexican illegal aliens and the only thing it got us was a devastated economy.

If you'd like to see the details of what he did while in office, feel free to visit my FR home page.

66 posted on 01/28/2013 8:39:16 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: jimbo123
"tighten border security"
67 posted on 01/28/2013 8:44:57 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: skeeter

Those of us in Florida who were paying attention knew the guy was a RINO long before he was elected to the Senate.


68 posted on 01/28/2013 9:03:34 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Hispanics, if we ignore them, will become 95% Democrat voters, just like blacks.”

And if we pander to them, they become 70-80% Democrat voters, while we lose reliable voters due to driving enthusiasm down. It’s a distinction without a difference for us.

“We need to address their needs or the Democrats will do so—and then the Democrats will use that electoral advantage to crush individual liberty.”

We aren’t going to pander to them as well as the Democrats will, so we’re doomed to fail.

“This immigration bill may or may not be useful to that end, but the fact is that people will vote for people who “look like them”...and it sure as hell would help the conservative cause if we actively promoted men like Rubio and Cruz.”

No, you think it will help us, but you are just speculating. The GOPe has been promoting minorities with little to no experience for some time now, and it hasn’t accomplished anything.

“They may disappoint us once in a while, but their thinking will be much better than that of a Hitlery....”

If that’s your standard, then count me out.


69 posted on 01/28/2013 9:10:11 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: jimbo123

When is the treatment of American citizens in Mexico and their rights vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be an issue when we discuss amnesty ?

Ever hear of reciprocal aggrements ? These are arranged to protect the rights of American citizens working or living in other countries.

Why is it when it comes to citizens of other countries we are required to offer them the same privledges as we do to US citizens? But when it comes to US citizens who get in trouble or attempt to do business in other countries they do not get the same treatment their citizens get.

Americans can’t own coast land in Mexico. And get no title to it elsewhere. If they run out of cash they’ll get unceremoniously sent back or put in jail untill some relative comes up with the “fresh”. That’s just for starters as for granting them voting privledges yea let’s give Mexican citizens that right when American citizens vote in their elections .


70 posted on 01/28/2013 9:18:31 AM PST by mosesdapoet (.Should this former Chicago "Mechanic" go out of retirement ?)
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71 posted on 01/28/2013 9:18:33 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jimbo123
H-1B Visas DOUBLED!

Ten million Americans with STEM educations are unemployed, or underemployed outside their fields of study.

We do not need one single H-1B visa worker anywhere in the USA.

72 posted on 01/28/2013 9:23:42 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: mosesdapoet; All
" When is the treatment of American citizens
in Mexico and their rights
vs US treatment of Mexicans going to be
an issue when we discuss amnesty ?"


73 posted on 01/28/2013 9:25:17 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MARTIAL MONK

Holy cow you are right! He has been a libertarian style immigration sellout since he first got into Congress


74 posted on 01/28/2013 9:31:32 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Boogieman

“Ok, let’s hear from the pandering dummies around here who want to nominate this first term RINO for President just because he’s Hispanic. How do you like him now?”

Preach it, brother.

A lot of closed ears and blind eyes around this place...

Just wait until 2016 — you’ll see!


75 posted on 01/28/2013 9:31:32 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Maelstorm

When my wife of many years came to this Country and was enthralled by the Statue of Liberty she was told she could not in any way be on the dole of USA citizens. Lucky for her the cousin that sponsored her visit had the means to assure support for the expected visit time. However, she did find employment. and became a self supporting immigrant who shortly thereafter went through the hoops-and-ropes to become a citizen. If the USA policies of the time had been maintained the Nation would not be mired in the social and financial muck we are now in.


76 posted on 01/28/2013 9:38:53 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: kabar

I don’t know who’s worse, Obama the dictator or Boehner the enabler.


77 posted on 01/28/2013 9:40:46 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim

“The next two years are going to be ROUGH!”

If you think the next two years are going to be rough, just wait for the two years after them!


78 posted on 01/28/2013 9:41:38 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: fatnotlazy

I have never accepted Rubio as a ‘for the love of this Nations heritage’ kind of politician. He is just another fast talking political wheeler dealer whose vision for the USA encompasses the last 20 to 30 years of declining adherence to the Constitution.


79 posted on 01/28/2013 9:46:33 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: skeeter

Marco Rubio—— his parents weren’t even citizens when he was born, he is ineligible to be president, he has a detached loyalty to America seeing that he wants to flood us with illegal aliens who are suddenly legalized. Who once they are legal will have a wider range of jobs they can displace Americans from


80 posted on 01/28/2013 9:52:51 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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