Skip to comments.Support for Dorner is Troubling
Posted on 02/12/2013 11:04:32 AM PST by Kaslin
Just when you thought you've seen it all with the Sandy Hook murders of a classroom full of children, America experiences another new low: A man named Christopher Dorner murders (as of this writing) three innocent people in order to air personal grievances. And his grievances are given serious attention by the national media, not to mention left-wing websites.
To better understand this, imagine the outcry if, let us say, a white student who was certain that he was denied admission to a prestigious university because of affirmative action, murdered a university official and the daughter of the dean of admissions and her fiance.
Imagine further that this man had posted a lengthy manifesto delineating how unfairly he had been treated by that university, and that he would continue to murder admissions department officials until the university admitted he was wrongfully rejected.
And imagine if the murderer had listed Fox News and conservative talk show hosts as media personalities he admired, as Dorner listed Chris Matthews, Tavis Smiley and Soledad O'Brien, among others, nearly all on the left.
Finally, imagine how the media, and perhaps the president himself, would have reacted.
A tsunami of vilification of conservatives and of conservative media would have ensued. We would be told 24/7 that talk radio is hate radio and that Fox News should be ostracized from civilized company. We would be told how right-wing hate had produced such a murderous man.
Moreover the murderer would be labeled exactly what he was, a murderer, and would not be regarded by any conservatives as in any way heroic. Conservative commentators would, rightly, outdo one another in condemnation of the murderer.
This has not been the case with Christopher Dorner. He is widely depicted as a man with legitimate grievances that caused him to "snap." His "manifesto" is widely read and often praised, a Facebook page has been set up to defend him, and thousands of commentators on left-wing sites concentrate their fury on the Los Angeles Police Department, while portraying Dorner sympathetically.
It is important to remember that Dorner murdered a young woman and her fiance simply because she was the daughter of a cop -- the man who acted as Dorner's defense advocate in the LAPD proceedings against him. But as one comment on a left-wing site noted, that was a good idea because if the cop had been murdered, he wouldn't have suffered, but if his daughter and her fianc? are murdered, then the cop would experience real pain until he died.
Any public figure, especially any member of the clergy, who does not unambiguously condemn Dorner as a psychopathic murderer, is failing in his or her duty. This is not the time to discuss allegations of racism in the Los Angeles Police Department. For one thing, being wrongfully dismissed from a job -- if, indeed, that is what happened to Dorner -- inhabits a different moral universe than murder. For another, the more the public pays attention to this murderer's "manifesto," the more murders-for-attention will take place.
How could any number of self-pitying angry individuals who see themselves as victims not get the idea that murdering people is a great way to get people to take you and your grievances seriously?
Constance Rice, a prominent Los Angeles civil rights attorney, a black woman called by NPR last year the "Conscience Of The City [Los Angeles]," wrote in a Los Angeles Times op-ed column about "the disturbing support for Dorner's manifesto from the black community on the Internet and on black radio."
And Rice, who has said that she woke up every day for years wondering how she could sue the Los Angeles Police Department for alleged abuses, went on to write, "Dorner is absolutely wrong when he states in the manifesto that 'the department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days'. ... The good guys are now in charge of LAPD culture."
But that apparently does not matter to the many black Americans who have so much anger and so clearly define themselves as victims that they will, in too many cases, support black murderers -- from OJ Simpson to Christopher Dorner.
What we have here is another proof that nothing leads to murder and other evils more than a sense of victimization. This is true for nations, just as it is for individuals. The German sense of victimization led to World War II. Dorner believes himself to be a victim and consequently feels entitled to murder.
But the real victims are decomposing in their graves.
Kinda reminds me of Natural Born Killers. Still, I think the cops shooting up the two other pickup trucks has something to do with it. Thing is, though, it doesn’t make him any better. It just makes them worse.
When the Gov’t stops respecting the law and starts enforcing only the laws it likes; and when it enforces the law it does so unevenly among the citizenry; then people naturally stop obeying the law, universally.
The law is the only thing that prevents us from being a 3rd world nation and Obama/Democrats are singularly responsible for creating this atmosphere of lawlessness and the reactionary support for that lawlessness.
This Truth is as old as man.
This is one of the scariest things that is happening in our society and no one - no one - is talking about it.
Like Rush says, the safest thing that the citizens of L.A. can do now is to surrender all of their guns to the government and create a really big “gun-free zone.” His sarcasm always gives me chuckles.
It’s another set up by Obama.
It’s hard for me to dispute Dorner. I can’t support him, but I also can’t dispute him.
His core complaint is that his career was destroyed in order to protect the LAPD from a complaint of excessive force.
Seems to me in the course of the manhunt for Dorner the LAPD has gone above and beyond in VALIDATING Dorner’s assertions that the LAPD tacitly endorses the use of excessive force. After all, we’ve seen two situations where the police attempted to MURDER innocent people only to have the LAPD say that their officers ‘acted appropriately’.
IMHO the way the LAPD has responded to Dorner’s actions by going on the warpath against anyone they want speaks to why people need firearms like the AR-15 with a 30-round magazine.
That’s because it isn’t paranoid to think that the government might really try to murder you with no good reason at all.
You are exactly right. This whole thing is a symptom of cultural collapse, but nobody seems to be able to see it.
The rule of law is grievously wounded, sepsis has set into the body politic and its institutions are failing.
It seems the truck shootings show the police intend to have no living Dorner to testify about anything wrong with the cops.
I know of 2 police forces I absolutely distrust, 1 that I absolutely trust, and 1 whose officers I trust and whose leadership I distrust.
That’s a whale of a lot of distrust coming from a rightwing law and order guy.
Yeah, like an ex-employee is a reliable source for anything...
The left likes him because he appears to be a black leftist loony who has spent his entire life interpreting everything in terms of “The Man” coming to get him.
He shouldn’t even have been allowed on the force.
My feeling about LAPD is that they are overwhelmed, because they really can’t go after the gang-bangers because most of them belong to a protected class, but most of them want to do something about crime there. However, I honestly don’t think most of them have the training to do their jobs, and this is something that the chief should look at. That said, it’s so politicized in LA that he probably can’t even go there...
I have a family member who worked for a leftist oriented police department and life was very difficult for the cops. This resulted in bad decisions...because it is literally a split-second decision when you think somebody is going to fire on you. Only one person is going to go home, and you want it to be you.
The curious thing, in my opinion, is that LAPD appears to be very behind the times in terms of its technology. Why didn’t these cops know (from a screen in their car) what the vehicle they were seeking looked like?
Support for this fascist State and any of its police forces is troubling.
Support for Obama troubles me more than support for Dorner.
“Yeah, like an ex-employee is a reliable source for anything...”
Normally I’d agree with you. But as I said, in this case the LAPD is validating Dorner’s assertions with their actions.
I also don’t think the left is fawning all over him. Initially they reported on him as being a crazed killer and they’ve only changed their tone on the story because of the comments on their own web forums that see Dorner as standing up to official abuse.
Again, I won’t say that I support him, but I also am finding less reason to dispute his assertions as we learn more about the case and as we see the LAPD in action.
i am surprised at how surprised people are over this... and i'm surprised this has not happened sooner... i am not at all surprised he has supporters... i have a hard time believing his supporters are mainly libs...
The way you “stand up to official abuse” is by filing a lawsuit, not by killing your attorney’s daughter and her husband.
The guy is a nutbag who has proclaimed a cause (mistreated black man) that is seducing every liberal in the US.
BTW, the daughter appears to have been Filipina and her husband was black, so I don’t even know why blacks are out there rooting for this guy.
He’s a nutcase.
Dorners support is troubling, but is it really surprising?
How many still support cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.
Many are movie stars supporting this murderer, why wouldn’t they support Dorner? Why are they supporting Trayvon Martin?
P.S. They also support Obama.
Troubling ? Yes. Surprising?? Hell no
Before its over we may start getting copycats or others joining Dorner.
On the hypotheticals they listed. That is not really an apples to apples comparison. Those other peoples actions have not resulted in the deaths of many innocent people on a daily basis, such as cop malfeasance has done.
The deaths of innocent people that the LAPD has caused over the years is what takes the bite off his killing of the daughter. In that situation, its more of an equal retaliation for the pain that many LA citizens have felt.
I am not condoning it, just pointing out the obvious mental perspective.
“Still, I think the cops shooting up the two other pickup trucks has something to do with it.”
Yes, but more than that, it is the powerless cheering for a champion taking on the powerful. Ordinary citizens have been pushed around, bullied, extorted, abused, and sometimes outright murdered by police for years, with little to no recourse. So, even though most people don’t support Dorner killing innocent people (I hope), there is still going to be elation that somebody, anybody, is striking fear into those who have held themselves to be unaccountable.
If people couldn’t see this coming, then they have no sense of history.
The rule of law requires a respect for the people who have to live by those laws.
Today, we pick and choose the laws we want to enforce, and we’ve criminalized nearly everyone in the USA.
It’s pretty clear by the actions of the LAPD that they definitely see it that way, or how else do you explain the ‘shoot first’ mode they’ve been in since this has all happened.
The Law has become a nightclub, and either your name is on the list and you’re exempt from the following it (your in), or the law is what the state uses to keep you out of the disco.
Dorner did the due process bit with the LAPD, and thought it was one big corrupt enterprise, and the irony is that he still thinks civilians ought to go around weaponless, so that the cops have all the power. He’s still a member of the gang, you see.
Dorner’s beef here is that within that sort of mindset, the LAPD forgot that every cop is part of the same criminal enterprise, and they know how things truly are. He figured out there is no due process among theives, and like any betrayed gang member he came after the people he thought had their back.
This is how you square his ‘liberalism’ with his actions here. He was part of the system, got screwed by it, knows the system is criminal, and took criminal reprisals against it.
I have no doubt what Dorner was saying was true about getting fired for his partner’s abuse of power. I’m just shocked this hasn’t happened sooner.
The LAPD is a gang, and they screwed the wrong gang member, and now he’s doing what any screwed killer is wont to do - kill members of his former gang, and their family members.
The LAPD are trying to figure out how to put the toothpaste back into the tube now. Dorner’s just reinforced the perceptions everyone’s had of the LAPD for a long time.
Dorner’s killing cops now because no matter what he’s never going to get a fair trial. The scary part for the LAPD is that we all may end up figuring that out, and since they are apparently helpless against one dude, they aren’t going to be any more effective against two or more.
“......but if his daughter and her fiance are murdered, then the cop would experience real pain until he died.”
I don’t know if the person who said this was praising Dorner’s actions or not. But the statement is true.
Jackbooted thugs who break into people’s houses and scare the hell out of everyone and cops who shoot people’s dogs and generally mistreat law abiding citizens are also reasons for this facination with Dorner. I’m not saying people are rooting FOR Dorner. I’m saying they’re rooting AGAINST the cops.
Stalin, Lenin, Castro, Mao....
The left and especially defense lawyers push this “snap” thing. There’s no such thing as “snap.”
“snap” is undefined in the law books. It has no meaning. Its purpose is to sway juries to give innocent verdicts.
The left doesn’t believe in free will or personal responsibility for actions. We are just material automatons, with no higher-order thought processes.
Troubling, but not surprising. The ignorsnt, raging, lawless minority, entitlement class often choose psychopaths as their "heros".
Why does the left admire this POS so much? Because it is a perfect example of what they want all “poor” “downtrodden” “oppressed” “underclass” people to be. Angry. Violent. Uncontrollable. Rebelling against the established order.
From my experience I would wager that there are plenty of sick puppies on this very forum who feel that way.
No more troubling than the support for the Marxist-In-Chief.
A couple of things...Those kops who shot up the truck in my eyes are just as much murderers as Dorner...Their intent was to murder, in the back...Kops will kill your pets for convenience and fun, and constantly get away with it...
They bust into wrong houses without warrants even and murder completely innocent victims...And get away with it...
Kops are making a pretty bad reputation for themselves country wide...
And the other things is, this guy Dorner’s future was destroyed...I don’t try to justify what he is charged with because that of course is unacceptable but it sickens me to watch some arrogant employers and bosses treat others with so little respect...
You unjustly take away a man’s livlihood, in some cases you are lighting a powder keg...More people ought to realize that...
And so far, we can’t be sure if Dorner is guilty of anything, can we???
One thing’s for certain...They plan to kill Dorner before he can get an audience to listen to his side...
Dorner is not my cult hero but I can see why he fulfills that role for some...
As Gerald Celente said, “When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it.”
I think this really is an example of that and we can see this sort of thing only increase.
Agreed and it makes me sad to see it.
I think yours is a reasonable point of view.
Yep, I think that, between the Django movie and Dorner’s actions,
there will be many more that are “inspired” to take action on what 0bama has been fomenting for his entire political career.
What more can one expect from liberals?
Nothing you said gives Dorner the right to murder people. Nothing. You are sick for thinking otherwise. BTW, you spelled “cops” wrong.
I had forgotten that Dorner said he saw the movie “Django”. I can’t help but wonder if seeing that movie was the direct event responsible for setting him off. About the same timeframe, right? Sounds like a case against violent movies. Well, at least ones where blacks take it to THE MAN.
Most people who get fired from a job just go out and find another one.
If they don’t they probably needed firing.
Never said I did...In fact, I indicated I opposed it, if in fact Dorner killed anyone...
I'll try to make it a little more clear...The current actions of some of the police thruout the country can push a situation like this to happen...I'm surprised some pet owner hasn't taken out a kop who unjustly murdered his family pet...
Everyone has the internet now days...These things aren't kept secret like they may have been in the past...And people are getting a view of kops, swat teams, military vehicles and drones and are not liking what they see...A completely new view of what we always saw of Andy, Barnie and Opie...
Classic case of victimizing the perpetrator.
Dorner is scum. His recourse was the court, not murder. He is foul and deserves NO sympathy.
And yet the silence is deafening from the MSM covering that the police injured/killed innocent bystanders. You are right, they are hunting him to avoid being hunted themselves. His manifesto, the uncensored version, is interesting reading. The names he provided should be investigated by an independent agency and ALL the bad apples should be culled.
Blacks know what it is to get roughed up by cops. This guy don't come off as a nutcase. He may have been pushed over the edge. I've seen guys snap for being denied leave. Sometimes it does not take much to trigger a reaction like this.
Read some of the comments here and it makes you wonder. The guy is a murderer period. There is no justification for what he has done.
I don’t think there is support for Dorner; I think there is disgust with the corrupt, trigger-happy incompetents in the LAPD.
It is not the same thing...