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We are slowly finding out what's in it, AFTER Obama got a second term...
1 posted on 02/17/2013 7:56:16 AM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

That is because that’s the way Obama and his evil conspirators planned it that way. No surprises until after the end of 2012.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 8:03:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Innovative

That was the plan all along.

Not that those who elected this POS wouldn’t have elected him anyway.

They are all enthralled by this Muslim.


3 posted on 02/17/2013 8:03:02 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Innovative

Misleading title. WHAT is the massive sales tax that is coming?


4 posted on 02/17/2013 8:09:47 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: Innovative

Sales taxes are usually stated as a percentage but it seems to not be included anywhere in this article.


5 posted on 02/17/2013 8:11:08 AM PST by CA_soon_gone
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To: Innovative

I didn’t even know about this tax. Over at Instapundit, Glenn Reynolds posted this:
“Meanwhile, my former colleague Colleen Medill, an ERISA expert, writes:

I don’t know if you will see this in your volume of email, but you might.

I am deeply into studying the impact of Obamacare on employers, and I have been communicating with highly sophisticated ERISA lawyers who are advising employers, from Fortune 50 companies to small firms under 50 employees, on whether to keep or drop or modify their employer group health plans.

It has become very clear to everyone involved who is analytical and not ideological that the rational strategy, for both large and small firms, is to cease providing health care insurance to employees.

No company wants to admit that they are considering eliminating health insurance as an option, or be the first one to drop their health insurance plan, but once a competitor does so, the preference cascade will begin. The clear sentiment is “We will not be the first one to drop our health insurance plan, but we would be a close second.”

The coming preference cascade for employer group health plans is what the Democrats fear the most, because Obamacare was sold to the masses as “if you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it.”

The people who really know the law, and who have been following the avalanche of regulations, have already figured this out. It will take a while for this specialized knowledge to seep downward, because right now only $800+ an hour ERISA attorneys and the most sophisticated HR people understand how Obamacare really works.

Hopey-changey!”


7 posted on 02/17/2013 8:17:14 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Innovative

No surprise here. My health care premium went up 127% in 2011 and 44% in 2012. My co-pay increased 70%. Gas prices have gone up 100% since 2009. My paycheck has gone down $187 per week since 2012......I’ve been working since I was 13 and have been employed at a big Aerospace firm for 31 yrs and will likely be laid off in the next 6 months. Many co-workers are just giving up at the age of 55.....So I guess Obama’s plan is working out just the way he advertised....


8 posted on 02/17/2013 8:17:23 AM PST by TMD (Behind enemy lines.....)
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To: Innovative

The people with their heads up their a$$e$ thought it was going to be free!


9 posted on 02/17/2013 8:17:47 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Innovative

Buried deep in the bill it says only those who didn’t vote for obama will pay higher taxes.

or

This is the fault of the Tea Party for fighting it so hard.

or

Without obamacare everyone would be taxed more and all hospitals would be closed.

or

All of the above.

I disagree with any republican co-sponsoring anything. Let the dems own it. Plus, with obama why would anything need to be repealed. He enforces whatever he wants to enforce and all the businesses and state governments and politicians say ‘Yes, Sir!’


10 posted on 02/17/2013 8:25:51 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: Innovative

So, instead of starting legislation to end Commie care they are going to fix it? And who said that the E-pubs are for the people? They are never going to stop this. When people start to understand that both party’s are going to keep this “Control” over the people because of what the power of your life means to them.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 8:37:40 AM PST by luv2ndamend (k)
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To: Innovative

The Reps should not help the Dem fix what is wrong with Obamacare. They have already helped kill some onerous paperwork requirements and eliminate the long term care portion. Trying to make it work will ensure that Obamacare will never be repealed.


18 posted on 02/17/2013 8:46:16 AM PST by kabar
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To: Innovative

I’m not one to like throwing salt into old wounds, but I have to say this. It now is clearly a tax, so I guess Romney has no reason to oppose it now.


20 posted on 02/17/2013 8:52:59 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: Innovative

Your employee provided health care benefits are reported on your W-2 this year. You know that they will be taxed as income in the near future. The idea is to get rid of the “Cadillac” plans and have everyone covered by the same third world health care program.


21 posted on 02/17/2013 9:03:30 AM PST by artichokegrower
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To: Innovative

perhaps it’s tiem that several states band together and succeed (sp?) fro mthe union, and begin their own government run “BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE” and which actually upholds it’s own constitution and puts into place that no congress thereafter shall alter the words (and be sure to hammer out PRECISE and clear wording so that it can NOT be twisted later on Make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the government shall NOT ifnringe on these basic constitutional rights- EVER! and they shall NOT add addendums later on restricting those rights and tenents of the constitution

We escaped from the very same kind of tyranny we are now facign with this socialist leader of ours oncve before, it’s tiem to do so again- Begin our own military, set clear limitations on how much a government can take in taxes, set clear boundaries on how far they can go in enacting new taxes (give soem leeway for unforseen expenses down the road BUT make sure to enact clear instructions and limitations AND make usre that any temporary icnreases needed in certain instances be IMMEDIATELY reduced back to previosu prices of taxes ocne the crisis is taken care of- and be sure to excplain in detail what constituttes a crisis etc-

The left has become mega rich exploiting the loopholes and twisting hte words of the constitution, and exploiting situations, and manufacturing crisis’ whenre none exist- They have driven this country straight to hell in so doing- They are dysfunctional, and NEED to go- we need a new start in this country— and hte people need the power to step in and remove officials who violate their oaths of office after havign hearings conducted BY THE PEOPLE- just like we have juries to determine innocence or guilt- We need systems like htisw to keep our politicians honest apparently because current politicians on BOTH sides have become unafraid they will ever lose their jobs-

they NEED to be made to udnerstand that they work for US, not vice versus- IF they want a pay eraise, they NEED to coem to US and ask USK- not simply vote umoung htemselves to give themselves massive pay raises while DENYING seniors and dissabled peopel their meager cost of livign icnreases which don’t even come close to keepign pace with current icnreases in cost of living


28 posted on 02/17/2013 9:38:26 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To all veterans who used to get healthcare at absolutely no charge from the VA:

When I signed on the dotted line in 1969 I was told that if I served my hitch and received an honorable discharge I would be entitled to free healthcare for the rest of my life. Then they started means testing it and threw that promise out the window. They broke their promise. How would we go about a class action lawsuit over means testing? This could really throw a monkey wrench into obamacare.


35 posted on 02/17/2013 9:42:27 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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