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Bergoglio’s elevation to Pope Francis recalls his deep role in Argentina’s politics
McClathy ^ | 3/13/2013 | Daniel Politi, Vinod Sreeharsha and Kevin G. Hall

Posted on 03/13/2013 9:44:06 PM PDT by SMCC1

The elevation Wednesday of Argentine Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio as the Roman Catholic Church’s 266th pope and the first from Latin America brought cheers across South America but also served as a reminder of the church’s role during the region’s dark days of dictatorship in the latter half of the 20th century.

More recently, Bergoglio has been known for his confrontations with Argentina’s last two presidents, the husband and wife team of Nestor and Cristina Kirchner.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanluisobispo.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: argentina; catholic; francis; pope
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Interesting Article. I know people are rightly concerned with "social justice," (I am too) but I think it does take on a different connotation when your talking about a completely unstable, dysfunctional economic and political system where people are legitimately poor (not food stamps for iphones poor). People are either corrupt or have no idea how to fix it. (well, with Obama, we're headed that way).

I remember reading in a Mark Steyn (?) book once that although the US has exported its popular culture all over the world, we haven't exported our capitalist system very well.

I don't much about the Kirchners though...will have to research.

1 posted on 03/13/2013 9:44:07 PM PDT by SMCC1
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) but I think it does take on a different connotation when your talking about a completely unstable, dysfunctional economic and political system where people are legitimately poor

Socialists made the mess, why should they get to "clean it up"? which they will never do

2 posted on 03/13/2013 9:47:10 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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The Kirchners are bad people. Think of the Perons.


3 posted on 03/13/2013 9:48:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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“social justice” means an altogether different thing to the Catholic Church than to the Leftist political activists who have hijacked the term making it virtually meaningless to most of us, but in fact used to camouflage their political aims. Someone else can better explain the meaning of the term to the Church.


4 posted on 03/13/2013 9:51:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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Didn’t say they should. They need capitalists and don’t seem to have any. fascist to socialist to fascist back to socialist and so on.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 9:52:12 PM PDT by SMCC1
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I am fully prepared for Freepers to salt any thread about our new pontiff with comments about his “supporting the junta”, the same way they did with the last pope and the NAZI Youth.


6 posted on 03/13/2013 9:53:44 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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They are/were radical left wing Peronists. Queen Cristina (Plastic Fantastic), was one of Hugo Chavez’ favorite puppets, and also the most unstable. She’s guilty of seizing companies illegally, taking illegal donations, unmitigated profligacy, and possibly murder. In short, she’s a classic nutjob whose hobbies include counting her diamond necklaces, chewing coca leaves with Evo Morales, and threatening to invade the Falkland Islands with kayaks.


7 posted on 03/13/2013 9:55:29 PM PDT by Viennacon
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Was he a member of the “Peron Youth”?


8 posted on 03/13/2013 9:57:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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No, but evidently he was a pal of the evil dentist Laurence Olivier!


9 posted on 03/13/2013 9:58:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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No, he’s refering to the military junta that removed Peron’s wife in a coup, led by Rafael Videla. It was an anti-Soviet regime the US backed, and one that got a little out of control. They killed many innocent people along with communist guerrillas, and drafted hundreds of young boys who were never seen again. It was a dark period in Argentina’s history.


10 posted on 03/13/2013 10:02:12 PM PDT by Viennacon
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Well, that didn’t take long.

Ratzinger was an easy target. This guy a little more difficult but doable.

The point: all Popes are BAD! And SCARY!


11 posted on 03/13/2013 10:03:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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“Many on the political left allege the church was complicit with atrocities committed by the state and believe the church has failed to account or atone for its actions,” the cable said

How quickly the Left finds its "narrative."

12 posted on 03/13/2013 10:04:06 PM PDT by PGR88
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The point: all Popes are BAD! And SCARY!


13 posted on 03/13/2013 10:04:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Man, I miss SCTV. A lot of it was funnier than SNL.


14 posted on 03/13/2013 10:13:35 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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Let them try. The Catholic bashers are irrational anyway.

Trying to make any alleged ties to the Argentine junta as a bad thing is absurd, I mean how many people here still defend Pinochet who more or less did the same as Videla et al?

Odds are they’ll more likely see “Social Justice” and accuse him of Crypto-Communism.


15 posted on 03/13/2013 10:18:33 PM PDT by Shadow44
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Other than Guido Sarducci (God rest Don Novello's soul), that would be a "find the Pope in the Pizza" pope for the pizza people!

16 posted on 03/13/2013 10:21:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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>>Odds are they’ll more likely see “Social Justice” and accuse him of Crypto-Communism.<<

Sadly, that has already been suggested (and wrongly so): Check many comments on the live HABEMUS PAPAS thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2996496/posts

“Care for the poor” (as Christ asked us all to do personally) somehow was interpreted by the deluded as Marxism.

My take is that Pope Francis I will ask people across the world to look into THEIR INDIVIDUAL HEARTS to help the poor (as many Conservatives do now).

Sal and NYer can describe things better than I...

Oh and yes, I do look to and help the poor. Through CCF and other groups that HELP THEM STEP OUT OF BEING POOR! That is the highest good any of us can do (IMHO).


17 posted on 03/13/2013 10:31:59 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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Don Novello ain’t dead.


18 posted on 03/13/2013 10:36:23 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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Are you implying Novello is no longer alive?


19 posted on 03/13/2013 10:37:41 PM PDT by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: Shadow44

Videla’s regime caused double the amount of deaths when compared to Pinochet. The majority of Pinochet’s victims were trained in Cuba to install communism in Chile. Videla’s regime was less discriminate when it came to their war against Soviet agents.
To compare Pinochet to Videla is inaccurate. Pinochet never harbored Nazi war criminals as Videla did. He brought prosperity to Chile, whereas Videla brought total stagnation. He set up the relatively functional democratic process Chile has today, and voluntarily stepped down to give Chileans democracy. Videla had no such intentions, nor did his successors, who were willing to go into a bloody war to preserve their power.

I don’t deny many of the ‘right wing’ Latin American dictatorships we propped up were corrupt and murderous (Noriega), but I think it’s unfair to put Pinochet, who saved his country from a Cuba-esque fate (100,000 dead) at the hands of Salvador Allende, in with the others. He was unique. In fact, when he handed over power to the people, he was almost elected president (44%), not exactly what you’d expect for a bloodthirsty tyrant, which is what the left paints him as. Similarly to Mubarak, Pinochet was not nearly as bad as the left make out.


20 posted on 03/13/2013 10:38:38 PM PDT by Viennacon
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