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Get Ready To Be Taxed on Internet Purchases
National Journal via Yahoo ^ | 4/23/13 | Nancy Cook

Posted on 04/23/2013 1:54:01 PM PDT by Jean S

Proposed Internet sales-tax legislation received a huge boost on Monday when the White House officially backed the bill, saying it would level the playing field among online and retail stores by ensuring that both pay sales taxes.

“Today, while local small-business retailers follow the law and collect sales taxes from customers who make purchases in their stores, many big-business online and catalogue retailers do not collect the same taxes,” White House press secretary Jay Carney. “This puts local, neighborhood-based small businesses at a disadvantage to big, out-of-state, online companies.”

Now, the Senate is scheduled to debate the Internet sales-tax legislation for the remainder of the week, and the bill is largely expected to pass (a similar, nonbinding amendment was approved weeks ago, 75-24).

The so-called “Marketplace Fairness Act” would allow a state to collect sales tax on Internet purchases made by its residents, even if the Internet company has its headquarters in a different state. It would exempt online companies with sales of less than $1 million a year from collecting or paying the sales taxes, and it would add roughly $10.1 billion a year to local government coffers, according to the Congressional Research Service, at a time when most states are looking for any and all fiscal fixes.

But, the essence of the fight really pits industry against industry.

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To: prisoner6

So does MN, but I think nearly every state does.


51 posted on 04/23/2013 3:13:06 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: tflabo

buy everything used .
next they’ll send out the garage sale police .


52 posted on 04/23/2013 3:14:29 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: CodeToad

The tax is on the importer but collected by the exporter.


53 posted on 04/23/2013 3:15:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

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“It would exempt online companies with sales of less than $1 million a year from collecting or paying the sales taxes.....”

But it would provide a permanent (and therefore illegal) list of honest American citizens that legally purchase firearms and/or ammo on the internet.

The White House Devil is in the Details.

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54 posted on 04/23/2013 3:16:55 PM PDT by devolve ( -- -- liberals secret fuel economy trick -- simply fill up your tires with propane --)
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To: TurboZamboni

Taxman—

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtksJEj2Keg


55 posted on 04/23/2013 3:20:32 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Red Steel

I don’t have much faith.


56 posted on 04/23/2013 3:21:00 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: Jean S
ALWAYS, in All WAYS, it's about getting more revenue and NEVER about spending reductions. NEVER about reducing government fraud/waste/abuses. The Democrats can't grow the economy so they as usual, will tax whatever they can!

. Once again, increasing tax revenue for the ever expanding Government entitlement programs.

And once again….”The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”

57 posted on 04/23/2013 3:23:59 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Jean S

The WH has never seen a tax that it doesn’t like.


58 posted on 04/23/2013 3:24:25 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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59 posted on 04/23/2013 3:25:09 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Jean S

The States have been whining for this. Evil gluttons, just like our “reps” in D. C.


60 posted on 04/23/2013 3:28:12 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes, but nobody would join in.


61 posted on 04/23/2013 3:30:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Leftist, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, fundamentalist Islamic policies, the death of a nation.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

~~~Because nothing spells “Economic Recovery” like “Tax Increase.”~~~

You gotta hand it to Obama. He knows very well how to keep destroying the American economy and has millions of mindless Democrats who can’t figure out why nothing has improved. But they keep voting Hopey Changey.


62 posted on 04/23/2013 3:31:48 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Jean S
“I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increases. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.” - Barack Hussein Obama, Sept. 12, 2008

“If your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not a single dime.” - Barack Hussein Obama, Feb. 24, 2009

63 posted on 04/23/2013 3:35:20 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Click!

Stop this madness. Donate to Free Republic.

64 posted on 04/23/2013 3:39:04 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: redgolum

In New Mexico it is call the “Compensating Tax.” If you buy something from out of state that you could have purchased in New Mexico - regardless of price difference - you are expected to pay 5% to the state. This is enforced for businesses, but less so for individuals.

When we lived in Florida my in-laws bought us dining room furniture while traveling in North Carolina (they owned a lighting showroom and often bought furniture for resale from out of state). Unfortunately they had it shipped directly to our home. About a month after we received it, we received a sales tax bill from the State of Florida. They tried to charge us on the full retail value of the furniture, but we had an invoice showing the true sale amount, so we just paid the sales tax on that.

We were later told that if the furniture had been delivered to my in-law’s store and then delivered to our home, we would not have owed the tax. It would have been considered a “zero sale” by our in-law’s store and no one would have paid tax...go figure...


65 posted on 04/23/2013 3:39:35 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Jean S

Grouped by Home State
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Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Not Voting
Arizona: Flake (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
California: Boxer (D-CA), Not Voting Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
Connecticut: Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Murphy (D-CT), Yea
Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Yea Coons (D-DE), Yea
Florida: Nelson (D-FL), Yea Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Hirono (D-HI), Yea Schatz (D-HI), Yea
Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Yea Kirk (R-IL), Nay
Indiana: Coats (R-IN), Yea Donnelly (D-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Kansas: Moran (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Nay Paul (R-KY), Nay
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea King (I-ME), Yea
Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Massachusetts: Cowan (D-MA), Yea Warren (D-MA), Yea
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Blunt (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Nay Tester (D-MT), Nay
Nebraska: Fischer (R-NE), Yea Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Nevada: Heller (R-NV), Nay Reid (D-NV), Yea
New Hampshire: Ayotte (R-NH), Nay Shaheen (D-NH), Not Voting
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Not Voting Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
New Mexico: Heinrich (D-NM), Yea Udall (D-NM), Yea
New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Heitkamp (D-ND), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Yea
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Portman (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Nay Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Not Voting Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Toomey (R-PA), Nay
Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
South Carolina: Graham (R-SC), Yea Scott (R-SC), Nay
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Cruz (R-TX), Nay
Utah: Hatch (R-UT), Nay Lee (R-UT), Nay
Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea
Virginia: Kaine (D-VA), Yea Warner (D-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Murray (D-WA), Yea
West Virginia: Manchin (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Wisconsin: Baldwin (D-WI), Yea Johnson (R-WI), Not Voting
Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea


66 posted on 04/23/2013 4:00:04 PM PDT by RushingWater
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To: gov_bean_ counter

This is such BS. Many of my Amazon purchases are supplied by small businesses.

But... It would exempt online companies with sales of less than $1 million a year from collecting or paying the sales taxes

Of course someone could have a small business, sell 1.1 million of merchandise that they had to buy for 1.05 million dollars, which leaves them 50K in “EEEVIL” profit...

If they are supporting a family that is near poverty level....

Way to break shit Obama...


67 posted on 04/23/2013 4:02:04 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Patriot365

Same here since they started collecting CA sales tax.
I use to order quite a bit from them.


68 posted on 04/23/2013 4:02:44 PM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: Jean S

Small time operators who make their living on bulk purchases that sell more than 1 million that have razor thin margins are gonna get screwed over, they are gonna need obamacare to install a new asshole in them after this.


69 posted on 04/23/2013 4:03:30 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Huebolt
Complicated issue. The brick and mortar businesses must collect state and local taxes on its sales. Internet businesses have an advantage and can sell things more cheaply as a result.

On the other hand, Congress is placing a burden on Internet businesses that brick and mortar businesses don't have to do. The Internet businesses must collect taxes for all states and localities. A brick and mortar business does not unless they required all purchasers to identify their state.

Five states have no sales tax: NH, DE, OR, AK, and MT. So a brick and mortar business in those states would be required to have each customer provide a state of residence, calculate the sales tax for the that state, collect it, and then deposit into that state's coffers. Under the proposed Internet law, the brick and mortar businesses would not be required to collect such taxes.

70 posted on 04/23/2013 4:11:27 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jean S

They’re quick to say “it’s not a Federal tax. If that’s the case why not leave it to the States? Just more Federal intrusion into the domain of the States.


71 posted on 04/23/2013 4:13:17 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Jean S

Need to watch which Republicans go wobbly on this one


72 posted on 04/23/2013 4:13:33 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Jean S

And just how are all the Mom & Pop online stores going to know what the sales tax is supposed to be for tens of thousands of local districts?


73 posted on 04/23/2013 4:16:04 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: CodeToad

I thought it was unconstitutional to have interstate taxation?

Article 1 Section 9:
“No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.”

Roberts will just rule it as a fee not a tax...


74 posted on 04/23/2013 4:18:04 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: kabar

Five states have no sales tax: NH, DE, OR, AK, and MT. So a brick and mortar business in those states would be required to have each customer provide a state of residence, calculate the sales tax for the that state, collect it, and then deposit into that state’s coffers. Under the proposed Internet law, the brick and mortar businesses would not be required to collect such taxes.

The only “good” thing could be that it could cause more states to get rid of their state sales taxes.


75 posted on 04/23/2013 4:19:32 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Jean S

what gets me is our side (they few we have) are always on the defensive trying to hold them off. I know our real numbers are small. But it would be encouraging if even a few of them introduced and spoke of TAX CUTS. It may be futile but we need to somehow try to shift the debate to growth and lower taxes - even if it is only a few people yapping about it and finding clever ways to get on air. Impossible given this environment? perhaps. but we should never give up


76 posted on 04/23/2013 4:24:39 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Jean S
Subsidize the anachronistic Post Office and tax the hell out of efficient Amazon - who will in turn pass on that tax to every consumer.

Yeah, that will help the economy.


77 posted on 04/23/2013 4:35:23 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: conservative98
Seems like near every business is at a disadvantage these days.

Shipping costs are an important variable in the online purchase calculus. But so is time travelling to a shopping center, fuel for the car, dealing with cashiers who can’t count change; for those averse to shopping, the pain points are multifarious. The value of online shopping vs brick & mortar retail will vary with the friction of distance and the conduciveness of specific product classes to the online purchase experience. Does taxation tip the balance over to the BM retail interests?

In the end, taxes hurt everyone - and as noted, on many purchases the tax is already being collected, so this law does nothing. In New York state for example, if you itemize your state income tax, you have to (~ahem voluntarily) declare online purchases and calculate the tax the state of New York expects.

Per the article, the administration is claiming the legislation will “allow a state to collect sales tax on Internet purchases made by its residents, even if the Internet company has its headquarters in a different state.”
Say what? That’s already happening...so what’s the legislation really about?

Control. Political favor. The “right” thing to do.

78 posted on 04/23/2013 4:38:10 PM PDT by citizenK (freedom from, freedom to be...)
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To: CodeToad

You are correct, but the government, through the USSC, has ruled that if a company has a “presence” in a State, tax can be charged for purchases. Silly, and wrong, ruling, but there it is.

This new law, though, doesn’t even make that pretense.

I hope some organization is able to file suit against it.


79 posted on 04/23/2013 5:00:05 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: RedMDer

Lot of work putting that table together. I hope you didn’t have to hand code that.


80 posted on 04/23/2013 5:02:58 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Jean S

“it would level the playing field among online and retail stores by ensuring that both pay sales taxes”

How about no one pays sales tax, @#$@hole?


81 posted on 04/23/2013 5:06:37 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: Jean S

If it passes, boycott the locals. Let the officious criminals make the next move. [There’s no next move that won’t end without the commie/fascist crooks being brought to justice.]


82 posted on 04/23/2013 5:12:30 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Jean S

Didn’t Boehner say he was done with tax increases?

Also, since this is a revenue bill, how can it originate in the Senate?


83 posted on 04/23/2013 5:14:11 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: upchuck
Also, since this is a revenue bill, how can it originate in the Senate?

It's not a revenue bill since it doesn't actually raise a tax. It allows states to collect taxes on sales from businesses in other states shipping across state lines.

It will never pass the house. It won't even get out of committee.

84 posted on 04/23/2013 5:19:57 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: 1010RD

“As long as there are “tax free” Internet sales, there will be a cap on local taxes. As soon as that ends the lid can come off.”

I hadn’t considered this aspect of it. This is a great point. They are trying to sell this as tax fairness and somehow local governments will do the right thing and lower taxes on everyone after the tax base is broadened. But the exact opposite is likely to occur, especially in states with complete Dem control, like here in MN where I live.


85 posted on 04/23/2013 5:21:41 PM PDT by lquist1
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To: Jean S
Get Ready To Be Taxed on Internet Purchases

Get ready to stop purchasing things on the internet.

86 posted on 04/23/2013 5:43:37 PM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: CodeToad
The Constitution? Are you serious?


87 posted on 04/23/2013 5:47:22 PM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: Jean S

How can we get rid of that illegal POS who is trashing America/the White House?

GAH!!!

My only consolation is that the Good Lord is keeping Tabs on everything Zero does and says. It may not help us now, but NO ONE can escape the Final Judgement.


88 posted on 04/23/2013 5:55:15 PM PDT by Monkey Face ( The good outnumber the evil ones, and we always will.)
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To: Jean S; Revolting cat!

Get Ready To Be Tracked on Internet Purchases...


89 posted on 04/23/2013 6:06:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Jean S

Every knew this was coming

Wait until corrupt biggov attempts to censor nearly everything on the net and they announce they want to assign everyone and Internet ID.

They’re not too happy since even those drooling in cups have seen CNN and the media are hysterical, biased, corrupt, pro big government and basically do and say as government tells them to.


90 posted on 04/23/2013 6:06:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Jean S

This hussein character, a Karl Marx clone if ever there was one, NEVER saw a tax he couldn’t love.


91 posted on 04/23/2013 6:13:02 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Jean S
“Today, while local small-business retailers follow the law and collect sales taxes from customers who make purchases in their stores, many big-business online and catalogue retailers do not collect the same taxes,” White House press secretary Jay Carney. “This puts local, neighborhood-based small businesses at a disadvantage to big, out-of-state, online companies.”

So we need even BIGGER Government for "fairness"...

92 posted on 04/23/2013 6:17:05 PM PDT by mikrofon (If it moves.....)
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To: 1010RD

why? Besides the fact they want more money and not less ... they know online shopping is not just about saving taxes as compared to brick and mortar shopping. People like the convenience of buying from their home, avoiding crowds etc. So the feds KNOW that an internet tax will not significantly reduce demand. Sure some people will protest etc but the world will go on. It is generally elastic. They know this and know it is a magic cash cow.


93 posted on 04/23/2013 6:31:02 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Cubs Fan

But Obama isn’t the one in charge of doing this..... /s

I hear that argument a lot and it bothers me.

Who’s name will be signed on the bill? Who has the power to veto? Is what I tell people when they bring up that argument.


94 posted on 04/23/2013 6:40:17 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Jean S
“Today, while local small-business retailers follow the law and collect sales taxes from customers who make purchases in their stores, many big-business online and catalogue retailers do not collect the same taxes,” White House press secretary Jay Carney. “This puts local, neighborhood-based small businesses at a disadvantage to big, out-of-state, online companies.”

That's the first thing Jay Carney has ever said that made any sense!

95 posted on 04/23/2013 6:46:41 PM PDT by fanfan ("If Muslim kids were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war.")
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To: Jean S

the Republican throat-slitting-contest
(their own) just goes on and on


96 posted on 04/23/2013 6:50:46 PM PDT by RockyTx
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To: CodeToad

“It’s just a piece of paper”


97 posted on 04/23/2013 6:58:40 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Jean S

I won’t waste my dime trying to contact any member of the Gay State’s Congressional delegation....all eleven of them are filthy,worthless Maoist punks.


98 posted on 04/23/2013 7:01:03 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Jean S

Who gets the money? State with the store, state with the purchaser, FedGov?


99 posted on 04/23/2013 7:07:26 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Jean S; P-Marlowe

Let’s level the playing field by getting rid of all federal sales taxes on brick and mortar stores.

If states want sales taxes on internet businesses, then that’s the states business.

If they want to forego that for now because BUSINESS (any business activity whatsoever) and JOBS are more important, then leave that to the states.

The Fed is just looking for another revenue source.

“Leveling the field” is just BS.


100 posted on 04/23/2013 7:22:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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