Skip to comments.An armed march on Washington?
Posted on 05/05/2013 9:08:58 AM PDT by chessplayer
Before we get started on this story, I would like to take a moment to point out that youd be hard pressed to find any point where Ive been anything but a staunch defender of the Second Amendment, as I would hope most regular readers know. Ive taken flack for it from a lot of people this year, ranging from family members to folks in the media. But even approaching it from that sort of position, Ive got to say that this is a really bad idea.
A march on Washington with loaded rifles
"Libertarian activist and radio host Adam Kokesh is hoping to get 1,000 people to march on Washington on July 4 armed with loaded rifles. The plan, launched with a Facebook group today, is to gather on the Virginia side of the Potomac, where gun laws are lax, and then march across the bridge with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders into the District, where openly carrying weapons is generally prohibited."
This will be a non-violent event, the Facebook group warns, unless the government chooses to make it violent. Already, over 200 people have said theyll attend the march."
The plan is to march over the bridge, around the Capitol building, the Supreme Court and the White House, all with loaded rifles slung over their shoulders. Honestly, its difficult to imagine a worse idea, particularly in the midst of a heated debate with gun grabbers in the government. Kokesh describes this as an act of civil disobedience but it falls well short of that goal. If he wanted to promote an act of peacefully breaking the law to make a point, it would certainly be worthy of considering. For example, you could take a large number of people to block the entrance to the main office of the A.T.F and force the police to arrest and remove you. But this is something very different.
Showing up with a thousand (or even a few hundred) people openly carrying loaded weapons and marching toward the Capitol is not something that law enforcement is going to play around with, particularly when you announce it in advance. And theyre not going to allow the march to proceed peacefully either. Normally Id write this off as a bad idea that wouldnt gain widespread support, but the problem here is that it doesnt need widespread support. It would really only take a few hundred really upset people to get it rolling. And even if most of them intend it to be peaceful, when the officials show up to arrest them, weapons drawn, you have the potential for disaster which Rick Moran foresees.
"With the furor over gun rights and the governments efforts at gun control, this march is likely to attract enough people to make it an extraordinarily dangerous event. Who knows what kooks will be marching? Most marchers will no doubt be level headed and sincere in their desire for a non-violent event. But it only takes one unbalanced person to cause a tragedy."
Sensible gun owners, along with the NRA, are making the point that the government needs to respect the rights of law abiding, responsible gun owners and spend their time chasing the actual criminals. There could be no better gift to hand to gun rights opponents than to have a bunch of people get arrested for breaking established (if really bad) gun laws or, worse, getting in a shootout with the cops. This is not the type of representation we need in this debate.
UPDATE: (Jazz) From the Boss Emeritus. Was this all a dodge?
"[Kokesh] marched in uniform in mock patrols for the anti-war movement, paraded around holding an upside-down American flag (see Jonn Lilyea for more), was arrested for defacing signs, and traveled to Germany to urge soldiers to abandon their posts and seek aid and comfort with his anti-war minions."
"Kokesh, believe it or not, is now running as a Republican candidate for Congress in New Mexico. And, believe it or not, he is getting positive exposure on at least one Fox News show. He has the backing of Ron Paul, the Republican Liberty Caucus, and the 9/12 Project."
"The New Mexico Republican Party has its head in the sand. If you have friends and family in New Mexico, make sure they know who the real Adam Kokesh is."
"He is an anti-war smear merchant in GOP clothing. Spread the word."
Only DC police, Feds, and politicians should be allowed to carry loaded weapons. The serfs should crawl to them and beg for their rights to an air supply. It doesn’t matter what the freedom-wingers do, their enemies in the media will tar them with lies and hatred.
At this point in time, doing something that could/will get your ass thrown in jail is beyond stupid.
Talk about falling into a trap! Anyone that participates in any such march has fallen in it. And stepped in it.
You could be right. He probably doesn’t care how much damage this stunt would do to the pro-2nd amendment cause, as long as he gets his personal publicity.
This should go well....
At what point does the populace marched arm on DC? Another rally in DC, probably just a waste of time. What about a group of 10,000 armed citizens standing across the River in Virginia? Regardless, the liberal media isn’t going to give a conservative movement positive publicity...ever. Worry about playing the games by their rules hasn’t worked yet, so why worry about it. Some of the liberal media barely get enough readers or watchers to make any bit of difference.
Joining the NRA? Why, so they can essentially give someone a positive rating on the 2nd Amendment, while the individual shreds the rest of the Constitution? I wish the NRA would stop preaching about our so called 2nd Amendment right, and starting talking about inalienable right/s. Want to stand behind the Constitution, grea. But what happens should it be amended and the 2nd Amendment ruled obsolete?
The question that no one seems to want to answer is where to place line that shouldn’t be crossed. The threshold for the Founding Fathers was a hell of a lot lower than what we are experiencing today...
Agreed. Besides the American people are simply not ready for direct action. We are still in the talking phase. Being in the talking phase is one step up from the “feeling of malaise” phase.
And I see that antiwar’s Justin “Justine” Raimondo has written a piece called “The Coup”, about how Big Business is going to murder Ron Paul.
Read in your vomitorium.
No, it would enable the federales to confiscate. It presents them with a gift-wrapped boggie-person.
It’s a set-up; stay the hell away from it!
This protest will have no bearing on what the government will do in any case. It may rush it along a little, but this event will not define the heart and soul of this government...that has already been done. These people have a right to march, whether this government or you want to recognize that right is irrelevant.
They can always manufacture a reason.
Confiscation is always followed by extermination.
Knowing that, a lot of people will elect to die fighting.
I already posted a lot on this loser Kokesh, I wont repost it here
this is an earlier thread on the same thing, different source
STAY AWAY FROM THE TRAITOR ADAM KOKESH!
What I would like to see is a Million Magazine March.
Not rifles, not pistols, just 1 million gun owners showing up with empty, high capacity magazines. Still makes a statement, technically an act of civil disobedience ( although we can claim we’re on our way to a network broadcast)
but no threat of violence.
I agree that this is a bad idea at the present time, and I have my concerns about this particular organizer. However, keep in mind that Sam Adams used similar tactics. He provoked confrontations with the British that were used to turn the people against the British. We may need to consider such tactics at some point.
Use pitchforks instead.
In the zer0 world of D.C. am not certain pitchforks would obtain a marching permit. D.C. is on edge. My thought for the reason D.C. is on edge is they know the People have figured out what D.C. is up to and realize the People know their representatives are not doing the Peoples business but are instead doing other nations business against the People. Imho, this would give D.C. plenty of reasons to go ahead and finish the People. Imho, the People are holding their own for the moment. The Senate did not pass the first step of registration of firearms. As long as this holds and the Supreme Court does not hand down a 5 - 4 decision against firearms ownership there is a reason to march but not in the fashion being proposed. Should a 5 - 4 decision be handed down in the Supreme Court against firearm ownership or should Congress enact legislation requiring firearm registration it would then be time (imho) to march with pitchforks, tar and feathers. Till then ... I pray the People will not do something stupid. We should wait till the Supreme Court or Congress does something stupid first (imho).
Thank You creek!