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Paul open to voting for Senate immigration bill(but against path to citizenship for illegals)
The Hill ^ | 05/26/13 | Bernie Becker

Posted on 05/26/2013 10:15:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said that his chamber’s immigration bill needs to be improved, but that there’s still a chance he could vote for it.

Paul said that he could end up backing immigration reform if Senate negotiators will work with him on his push to certify that the border is secure. Paul though warned that the bill also goes in the wrong direction on work visas.

“I support immigration reform. At this time, I think the bill needs to strengthen border security. It also needs to expand work visas,” Paul said on ABC’s “This Week.”

“I will support a bill that fixes it, and I do want to support a bill,” Paul added.

Paul though said that he was against a pathway to citizenship for people currently in the country illegally, a key plank of the Senate bill.


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I saw the interview and he was very PC with his terminology on Path to Citizenship. The words he used to answer that question were ‘no jump ahead in line to get citizenship’ not ‘no path to citizenship unless they leave the country and get on the real line’.

I saw Rubio on Hannity Friday,
On it FNC Libertarian babe Michelle Fields asked Rubio about the taxpayer costs of legalizing so many poor unskilled workers.
Rubio lying as usual claimed that they will not get one dollar of taxpayer money and instead will all start paying taxes.

No one called him out on that claim.

1 posted on 05/26/2013 10:15:02 PM PDT by sickoflibs
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To: Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

Rand Paul immigration ping!


2 posted on 05/26/2013 10:16:57 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Rand Paul is dancing with the devil in the pale moonlight. Better wake up soon RP.


3 posted on 05/26/2013 10:18:56 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; GOPsterinMA; ...
Michelle Fields is on Cavuto once a week and she has been pointing out the cost of illegals being legalized.


4 posted on 05/26/2013 10:25:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Soon, he will be revealed to be as George W Bush is to George HW Bush: his father’s son.


5 posted on 05/26/2013 10:33:53 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Maybe if it were called “Immigration Repair” with supporting language true to the meaning, we might have something to contemplate.


6 posted on 05/26/2013 10:44:40 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: sickoflibs

Another American cutie.


7 posted on 05/26/2013 10:45:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: PghBaldy

Rand seems much more careful with his words then Ron was.

Rand is ambitious. Ron didn’t seem to mind going no where.

So watch out to see what Rand is really up to.


8 posted on 05/26/2013 10:47:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Gene Eric
RE :”Another American cutie.”

I know FNC is just entertainment, GOP entertainment
but watching cutie Michelle Fields beat up on Dem big government is a hell of a lot more entertaining than watching DUHH Hannity.

9 posted on 05/26/2013 10:52:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

ANY bill is one more foot in the door of acquiescence to lawlessness. There is no good bill that says anything other than “We SHALL build the fence.”


10 posted on 05/26/2013 11:38:50 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("I always knew it was you...I just didn't take care." Al Stewart)
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To: sickoflibs

Anything short of deportation equals amnesty.

The claim that we can make these Trespassing Foreign Citizens ‘legal’ and then deny them voting rights is a steaming crock of excrement. Some judge will immediately strike that down as a denial of their rights.

One more point for everyone to consider: each amnestied illegal alien will be able to bring in their relatives. The 1986 illegals each brought in around 5, so the 1 1/2 million illegals quickly became 8 million people.

Using that experience as a guide, the “11 million” beneficiaries of the Treason Lobby’s new amnesty will mean 55 million immigrants.

And since the “11 million illegals” is really closer to 30 million illegal aliens we would be swamped with up to 150 million third worlders forever changing America’s demographics.


11 posted on 05/27/2013 12:20:02 AM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: Pelham
Some judge will immediately strike that down as a denial of their rights.

As with all other laws, Obamacare included, if any portion of a law is struck down by a judge, the entire law should be nullified.

The typical liberal bait & switch is to toss some scraps to the RINOs to lure them in, knowing all the while they've already lined up the judges to overturn everything the RINOs wanted.

12 posted on 05/27/2013 1:14:36 AM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: sickoflibs
The Illegal vote will go Democrat out of the gate.

So "why are the RINO's supporting it" is the Ten million Vote question
that needs to be asked. I can hardly wait for the Lies and Spin.

13 posted on 05/27/2013 1:22:19 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Gene Eric

She is of hispanic heritage, so to see her speak out against immigration “reform” is refreshing.


14 posted on 05/27/2013 2:42:33 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Pelham

Exactly right. And all within twenty years.

Someone’s idea of a perfect wet dream is to turn our nation into Mexico del Norte, but it sure as Sam Hell isn’t mine.


15 posted on 05/27/2013 4:04:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: PressurePoint

“The typical liberal bait & switch is to toss some scraps to the RINOs to lure them in, knowing all the while they’ve already lined up the judges to overturn everything the RINOs wanted. “

Yep, exactly, and Rand knows it. At some point down the road, sooner than later, a judge will simply ask what part of the Constitution permits 2 classes of Americans - those that are citizens and those that are not. The US attorney, if he even shows up, will shrug his shoulders, and overnight we’ll have 30,000,000 or so new Democrat voters.


16 posted on 05/27/2013 4:29:58 AM PDT by BobL (To us it's a game, to them it's personal - therefore they win.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Playing devils advocate here, but how do we sell true conservative ideas to Hispanics if they can’t get over their friends and family members being shut out of legal status? If Hispanics go 90% Democrat like Blacks, we can say goodbye to the U S of A.


17 posted on 05/27/2013 4:46:05 AM PDT by LoneRangerTX
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To: sickoflibs
still a chance he could vote for it.

Paul is turning into another politician who becomes a toss-up on important issues.

Will he?

Won't he?

Translation: he will vote for or against, depending on what seems most politicially expedient at the time -- for him.

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We need fewer politicians seeking political expedience and more politicians with character and courage to stand for something.
18 posted on 05/27/2013 4:47:16 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: All
Mmmmmmm.....methinks this is political rhetoric from Paul b/c he knows immig/reform is DOA...... he's now on-record as supporting (if it ever comes up in a debate).

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Obummber and his craven crew have NEVER, EVER exhibited a modicum of interest in defending US ntl security from foreign domination ---- nor has it exhibited a concern for the life and liberties of Americans.

Via "immigration reform" Ohaha is forcing on Americans entire primitive populations of creepy savages emanating from antediluvean Third World countries.

OHAHA REVS UP THE US GRAVY TRAIN FOR SALIVATING THIRD WORLD SAVAGES When the Kenyan butcher hacked a Brit soldier to death, and defiantly gave an interview with blood-soaked hands, Ohaha okayed $50 million to Kenya---as a sign of Ohaha's "tolerance and compassion."

Your tax dollars will go to build madrassas that train more of these jihadist butchers ---- and to subsidize the savages' immigration to America.

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LYING IN WAIT FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS---THESE IMPOVERISHED COUNTRIES CURRENTLY HAVE ORGANIZED PRESSURE GROUPS INSIDE THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside)l Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela.

19 posted on 05/27/2013 5:23:38 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Pelham
Months ago, Marco Rubio was adamantly proclaiming that ‘border security’ was a priority.

More recently, he puts that on the back shelf. Even his plan kicks the can down the road 5 years — under Homeland Security. If ‘they’ don't secure the border in 5 years, the a special committee is formed.

Duh!

And just how many more millions of illegals will come over the border in that 5 year span?

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Rand Paul has been hedging for several months. He now is sort of for certain provisions; sort of against certain provisions; sort of straddling the fence. After all, he's to a presidency to run for. He is trying to appeal to all kinds of voters, and that is turning him into jelly on important issues.

20 posted on 05/27/2013 5:28:23 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: sickoflibs
Paul open to voting for Senate immigration bill

So. The Senator is open to voting for the complete sellout of our national sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the rule of law, personal privacy, and ability to earn our daily bread without government permission.

Any politician who gives one ounce of aid and comfort to this will never get one ounce of my political support.

21 posted on 05/27/2013 5:33:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that they cannot carry out their plans.' -- Job 5:12)
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To: sickoflibs

Secure the border, expand work visas, no new pathway to citizenship. Did I get that right?


22 posted on 05/27/2013 5:36:44 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: MaxMax
So "why are the RINO's supporting it" is the Ten million Vote question that needs to be asked.

A long time ago, I came to the conclusion that the GOPe don't really care whether they win or lose. They still get their turn at the money trough. And, being the minority means they don't have to work as hard, what with writing bills and all. They just squawk loudly at the opposition every now and then to make the folk back home think they are working for the home folk.

At the end of the legislative day, they meet up with their friends from across the aisle for drinks and laughs at hoodwinking the public.
23 posted on 05/27/2013 5:39:34 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Someone’s idea of a perfect wet dream is to turn our nation into Mexico del Norte,

We keep getting the sob stories of illegals who come here for a better life, yada yada yada. [Hand me a Kleenex.]

They, however, too many times, end up trying to change their new locality into the same kind of cesspool they left in their 'home' country. They are sort of like -- Liberals.
24 posted on 05/27/2013 5:43:57 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: sickoflibs

Rand Paul supports Illegal Alien Amnesty....and his apologists will need to wake up


25 posted on 05/27/2013 5:44:00 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: SeminoleCounty

what part of “no new pathway to citizenship” mean amnesty?


26 posted on 05/27/2013 5:46:05 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: LoneRangerTX

Most Hispanics are government dependent....regardless of where they are from in the Hispanic world


27 posted on 05/27/2013 5:48:13 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: TomGuy

check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmjM9JHnktg&feature=player_embedded


28 posted on 05/27/2013 5:49:29 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: LoneRangerTX

My post was incomplete...sorry bout that

We will never get large numbers of Hispanics to support conservative causes. Even Cuban Americans are more into govt goodies than being anti Castro


29 posted on 05/27/2013 5:50:58 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: sickoflibs

Cruz is somewhat phony in his small-bore opposition to the bill as well.

Better that we realize how totally we’ve been sold down the river even by our big-name, supposed tea party conservative heroes than to continue our delusions.

E.g.: GOP leadership in Congress new about the IRS tea party targeting long before losing in 2012, and they happily kept silent on it.


30 posted on 05/27/2013 5:51:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LoneRangerTX
how do we sell true conservative ideas

That is the biggest problem the GOP has -- they can't seem to find an effective way to get their message out. Of course, the Dems will lie and point fingers at anything the GOP comes up with -- that is the nature of politics. But, it still holds -- the GOP just can't get their message out.

The last 2 presidential nominees and the last term of GWBush didn't help the Republican message at all. What other president could run for a 2nd term by blaming everything on the previous administration, and win?

Another problem with the GOP is their capacity to fold on major issues. Too many of those on Capitol Hill just want to go along to get along.

Maybe that is the answer -- until the GOP/Republicans actually stand for something, they will continue to lose.
31 posted on 05/27/2013 5:53:36 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: jpsb

He supports “Immigration Reform”, which is just code for Illegal Alien Amnesty.

Secure the Borders...Deport the Illegal Aliens. Anything else is Amnesty


32 posted on 05/27/2013 5:55:31 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: sickoflibs

Kick the thieving-Mexican low-skilleds out, make the thieving ghettoRATs work for a living...for a change.


33 posted on 05/27/2013 6:01:46 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: jpsb
Secure the border, expand work visas, no new pathway to citizenship. Did I get that right?

Pay a fine, learn English, and go to the end of the line.

[Of course, expect Congress or the Admin in power to cancel or ignore the pay-a-fine part -- that creates a undue burden. And the learn English part -- that creates and undue burden and English is just so hard to learn. And the go to the end of the line part -- that creates another undue burden. And the secure the border part -- that, too, creates such an undue burden, especially on future new illegal immigrations.]

Just pull up the rhetoric from the Comprehensive Amnesty attempts under Bush2 or McCain and Graham's speeches. It is generally the same rhetoric, with some minor modifications.


34 posted on 05/27/2013 6:03:08 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: 9YearLurker

The GOP-E and Rand Paul are crying foul now on that issue and for good reason from their perspectives......

Many of the “Tea Party” groups targeted by the IRS were fronts for the GOP-E and Paulistas, not necessarily conservative grassroots citizens.

Incumbent politicians of both parties deal with their opponents using dirty tricks.

JFK’s political operative Kenneth O’Donnell was hatching an operation 50 years ago for the 1964 election that LBJ utilized.

It involved monitoring conservative radio shows that bought blocks of time on hundreds of radio stations across the country.

Any attacks on the president or his supporters would trigger equal free air time requests under FCC rules (Fairness) hindering the broadcasters by having the stations tell them to censor their words to avoid losing paid time to respond to “attacks” by the paid broadcasters.

The operation was carried out in 1964 but one radio station said NO triggering the Supreme Court’s Red Lion decision enshrining fairness regulation until a free speech ruling came down in the 1980’s.


35 posted on 05/27/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: sickoflibs

What a stupid cause for Rand to take up. Idiot.


36 posted on 05/27/2013 6:04:58 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: jpsb
what part of “no new pathway to citizenship” mean amnesty?

Many of the illegals have no interest in becoming citizens. But the Rubio/Schumer/McCain/Graham Gang of 8 bill 'permits' those already here to be safe and can continue to stay here.

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Any bill that does not deal with the 'illegal' part of illegal immigration (present and future) is a useless bill.
37 posted on 05/27/2013 6:07:01 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Yall keep telling me that Paul supports amnesty, but whenever I head him speak on this issues he insists on "No new pathway to citizenship" his website clearly states the same. So someone is not telling the truth. I don't know if you've looked into Pauls' position on this issue, but short of deporting them all, which is not going to happen, his plan is the best. Secure the border FIRST, give illegals that qualify work visas, no federal benefits, and No New Pathway to Citizenship.

It appears to me Paul is trying to make the best of a bad situation.

38 posted on 05/27/2013 6:10:05 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: TomGuy

Paul does not support the gang of 8 plan.


39 posted on 05/27/2013 6:10:51 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: TomGuy
"Pay a fine, learn English, and go to the end of the line.

That is the gang of 8 plan which Paul does not support. It is very disingenuous to attribute to Paul that which is not Pauls.

40 posted on 05/27/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been offically denied)
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To: Nextrush

“Tea party” is for small-government constitutionalism, which was a great umbrella for both conservative conservatives and libertarian conservatives.

I can assure you that if any GOPe front-group ‘tea parties’ were caught in the web, that was not what the IRS was intending.


41 posted on 05/27/2013 6:25:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: jpsb
Paul does not support the gang of 8 plan.

No, but he, like they, use many wiggle-words that muddles his position.

Related thread: Rand Paul's presence-and-jobs amnesty -- WITHOUT E-Verify [Rand Paul's views on illegal immigration]

But, hey, even Speaker Boehner says he doesn't support the Gang of 8 bill, so he is going to do his own plan.

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Bottom line -- Paul stated that he might vote for the Gang of 8 plan or he might not.

Better news, perhaps: Sen. Menendez says they do not have the 60 votes needed to pass it anyway.

Bad news, perhaps: Sen. Reid is threatening to change the Senate rules to allow 50 votes to pass legislation.

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Same arguments, same rhetoric, essentially the same bill we had to fight against several times during GWBush administration.

Any portion can be nitpicked, but the over legislation is the same -- a way to legalize millions.
42 posted on 05/27/2013 6:48:49 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: sickoflibs

Rand is triangulating on immigration, when he needs to be either leading or staying silent.


43 posted on 05/27/2013 7:13:02 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: sickoflibs

Just so we’re all clear on this: Rand Paul is “open” to voting for some version of an immigration bill that will never be brought to the floor of the Senate. He doesn’t support the bill that’s currently being hashed out, but does support something that no Democrats would support, and that Rubio would also oppose. Hmmmm, let’s see if we can all pass Politics 101.

1) We have a future presidential candidate in a year after which his party’s loss was blamed on a lack of outreach to Hispanic voters.
2) We have a bill that is not palatable to his potential base.
3) We have a media that loves nothing more than painting Republican pols as haters of immigrants.
4) Said politician comes out in favor of the concept of immigration reform, but compares the present bill to Obamacare. It just so happens that the bill in question is supported by a potential rival; one that he wants to stay on somewhat decent terms with on other issues.
5) Now he says he is open to voting for the concept, but on terms that mean those in his own party wouldn’t support it, and none of the Dems would.

This would be soooooooo confusing, except that it’s very simple. He has triangulated the issue. He is in favor of the broad concept, but only in ways that have zero chance of becoming law. It’s clever, it’s not principled in the least, and I guess we’ll see if it works for him. I predicted weeks ago that in the end Paul would end up loudly opposing the Senate bill. I’m sticking with that prediction.


44 posted on 05/27/2013 7:30:35 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: 9YearLurker

I tend to think it would have been very important for the IRS to take down GOP-E front groups since they were the ones who would promote Romney versus Obama.


45 posted on 05/27/2013 8:21:52 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: Nextrush

The GOPe is on their side and Romney was just their kind of opponent. A plutocrat without charisma who takes Obamacare off the table—what’s not for them to have liked? (Proof, meet pudding!)


46 posted on 05/27/2013 8:24:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LoneRangerTX; SeminoleCounty; TomGuy
Playing devils advocate here, but how do we sell true conservative ideas to Hispanics...

How do we sell good sound policy to any body of people?  We sell it by touching on core principles.

1. You have rights that are guaranteed under our Constitution.  We will make sure your rights are protected.
2. We support strong law and order policies, so that your families can be safe
3. We support you keeping more of what you earn
4. We are a law and order nation, and our immigration laws must be uniformly applied to all ethnic groups.  We cannot allow one ethic group to cirumvent the sytem, because that would be racial preferrence, something that would be unfair to the people from other ethnic groups wanting to come here.
5.
We will apply the laws that have been debated and devised in order to be fair to everyone.  Those who chose to break our laws force us to enforce our laws, something we really wish we didn't have to, but have been forced into.
6. In order to let you keep more of the money you have worked hard to earn, we have to limit the size of government.  Big government is oppressive.  We want you to have the power, not the government.

7.  If we allow people into our nation who cannot support themselves, they will vote for someone who will promise to give them more and more.  This corrupts the system, it leads to destructive government, and a damaged nation.

...if they can’t get over their friends and family members being shut out of legal status?

I think you would be surprised what percentage of Hispanics think we are crazy for allowing what we have.  They work very hard and are resentful of others coming here and leaching off the system.  They work to establish themselves in decent paying jobs, and then illegal immigrants come in and negatively impact the wages they can receive, or outright replace them at lower wages.  The established citizen Hispanic realizes the damage being done.  Don't think they aren't victims of crime.  Don't think they don't deal with gangs.  Don't think they aren't worried about their children coming home from school or playing out front of their homes.

Not trying to be insulting here, but you're listening to too many Lefties, and not thinking enough about the solid reasons for controlling our immigration, and how to explain that to your friends, family, and Hispanic neighbors.

If Hispanics go 90% Democrat like Blacks, we can say goodbye to the U S of A.


And if we allow 150 million new Hispanics to flood our nation in the next 20 years, it will result in the same thing.

47 posted on 05/27/2013 9:25:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: TomGuy

We have forty million people out of work in the United States. 40 million. We have another close to 40 million who are under-employed, not making the money they used to and barely getting by.

What about their better life? I submit that until we get that 40 million people back to work, and the other 40 million better employed, we not only put an end to illegal immigration and the right of them to work here, but we also cut off all but the very most positive immigration for the next 20 to 30 years.


48 posted on 05/27/2013 9:30:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Funny thing happened on the way to the Constitution burning, Lefties rights were violated...)
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To: 9YearLurker
Cruz is somewhat phony in his small-bore opposition to the bill as well.

The other day you claimed Palin was for amnesty, now you're saying Cruz is a phony? Good grief.

49 posted on 05/27/2013 9:35:50 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: DoughtyOne
How do we sell good sound policy to any body of people? We sell it by touching on core principles.

The best of ways, unfortunately very few of the GOP politicians understand that repeating core principles is an important thing to do..

50 posted on 05/27/2013 9:38:51 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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