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The Coin of Liberalism: Time to Rethink the 2016 Presidential
06/29/13 | An Anonymous Disillulsioned GOPer

Posted on 06/29/2013 12:48:40 PM PDT by Finny

In America today, liberalism in politics is like a coin with different images on either side: “Democrat” on one, and “Republican” on the other. It’s the coin of government tyranny to force people, for their own or the “public” good, into supporting things they despise.

Liberalism is the presumption of government tyranny to regulate morality, finances, and personal responsibility “for the greater good.” In recent presidential candidates at least, Republicans and Democrats both want nationalized health care; “right” to abortion; gun control; forcing all to accommodate open homosexuality; “compassionate” immigration policies to gain liberal votes; welfare support of sloth, promiscuity, and envy; and environmental regulation that chains and maims American productivity and self-sufficiency – the EPA, to “save the planet,” increasingly stymies American energy and food production, making it weak and dependent on other nations. Republicans and Democrats are fundamentally on board together with all of liberalism’s pretenses, though they call them different things and pretend to have smarter strategies for enforcing them.

We got here by doggedly voting liberal Republican only because the “liberal” Democrat was worse. Voting out of fear year after year got us to where in presidential elections, McCain got the nomination in 2008 and a worse option, “RomneyCare” Mitt, got it in 2012. And they both lost – because they were liberals, the same coin as the Democrats.

The Democrat party is NOT the enemy. Liberalism is the enemy.

Most legitimate American voters lean right, confirmed by the Left’s need for systemic, integrated vote fraud, vote harvesting, vote manipulation, and judicial fiat. Apparently, most real American voters figure the only way to reduce liberalism is to vote such that it loses. That's exactly what they did in 2008 and 2012 when they declined McCain and Romney.

It is TIME NOW to consider for the upcoming presidential election the good risk of going Third Party in the general so legitimate voters have an ALTERNATIVE to liberalism. Chances of winning are slim, and chances of winning with a majority are slimmer. But look at the sole alternative: either liberal, the Republican or the Democrat, wins with the power of a majority.

A strong third-party candidate could split that vote, forcing a plurality win on the victor. Minority/plurality status weakens and puts on defense whichever president has it. It sure as hell weakened Clinton, who elected with 57% of the vote "against" him the first time and 51% "against" him the second, was slammed first with the Republican Revolution and then impeached, though not convicted.

To defeat liberalism, Americans who love their freedom and right to self-responsibility must acknowledge that risk is the price of opportunity. Louder clamor for voter ID is good, necessary, and happening. Regardless, there is zero risk in voting for liberal Republicanism. The impact is certain: your vote endorses liberalism. Zero risk, zero opportunity.

The best outcome is for your third-party limited government anti-liberal candidate to win a majority. That’s unlikely – however, America wins even if your serious alternative presidential candidate loses but splits the vote and weakens the liberal victor. If Republicans field a Business-as-Usual candidate ala Carl Rove establishment presumptions, opting Third Party in 2016 is the only vote that makes sense.


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I've been honing this vanity for a week to post on FR "someday." Saw Jim Robinson's post about Palin hinting at third party with Mark Levin ... and realized "someday" was today. I hope Palin and Levin see it.
1 posted on 06/29/2013 12:48:40 PM PDT by Finny
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To: Jim Robinson; PapaNew; onyx; b9; Windflier; Colonel_Flagg; LaybackLenny; Diogenesis; Mamzelle; ...

See my first comment. Thanks.


2 posted on 06/29/2013 12:57:13 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Progressivism is the enemy. Liberalism is just a nice-sounding euphemism. By allowing the progs to define themselves as liberals allows them to act “nice” by asking us if we want handicapped people to starve.

Progressivism is about “progressing” to the next level of humanity through Marxism. It is humanity without faith in the true God pursuing some ideal that cannot exist without God, so they demand that people deify the state and the 20th century has already shown us that catastrophe ensues when people elevate the state to that level.


3 posted on 06/29/2013 12:58:32 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Finny

may be your second comment Finny.


4 posted on 06/29/2013 1:00:28 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Finny

you might want to reconsider something Finny ... both parties consider Conservatives as being the enemy.


5 posted on 06/29/2013 1:02:23 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

The sides of the coin are Marxist and democrat with democrats including “moderate” republicans.


6 posted on 06/29/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen creek ... Thank You!


7 posted on 06/29/2013 1:07:13 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Bryanw92

Fine. Call it progressivism, call it liberalism, call it whatever you want. The point is that the enemy is NOT the Democrat party. We have always voted as if it was, and voting that way is what got us here. Time to stop.


8 posted on 06/29/2013 1:07:20 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Well, I’m glad you worked so hard and posted this. I wish, however, we would move away from calling the Left “liberals.” Liberal means lover of liberty, which they are not. We need to call them what they are: socialists. Just like we need to call public schools what they are: government schools.


9 posted on 06/29/2013 1:07:51 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Finny

bad mistake in your post Finny. Am only telling you the truth.


10 posted on 06/29/2013 1:11:23 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: cripplecreek
Semantics. "Moderate" Republicans rule in presidential politics, and that is the third party option I'm promoting. As LONG AS YOU TRUST that the GOP will someday oust the moderates ... you're going to be used to further Marxism, progressivism, liberalism, or whatever word you choose to use to describe THE SAME DAMNED CONCEPT.

"Conservatives" have but one small element of all the votes we need in America to save it from government tyranny. A lot of folks who reject and hate progressivism/marxism/liberalism or whatever you want to call it, are NOT "conservatives" and don't think of themselves as such. Trying to use SEMANTICS here to exclude every American on our side who doesn't claim the mantle "conservative," is ... well, Stupid Party thinking.

With respect.

11 posted on 06/29/2013 1:12:11 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: PapaNew
that is one more excellent point Papa.
12 posted on 06/29/2013 1:12:25 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Glenn Beck started out with the belief that the democrats could be redeemed but eventually reached the conclusion that they had been entirely compromised by hardline marxists.

“Moderate” republicans are like kapos thinking they can win the favor of the SS guards but in the end, the SS will exterminate the “moderates” as well.


13 posted on 06/29/2013 1:13:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Finny

not exactly Finny ... Conservatives know the definition of conservatism. The majority of this nation is made up of Conservatives practicing conservatism.


14 posted on 06/29/2013 1:14:20 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Finny

——The Democrat party is NOT the enemy. Liberalism is the enemy.-——

Pretty hard to tell the difference....the democrat party embraces liberalism..as long as they do in defference to american values...they are the enemy. ...


15 posted on 06/29/2013 1:14:38 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Finny
A lot of folks who reject and hate progressivism/marxism/liberalism or whatever you want to call it, are NOT "conservatives"

Wow.
16 posted on 06/29/2013 1:16:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: no-to-illegals
Likewise, consider that a lot of folks who would vote for a small-government candidate consider Conservatives as the enemy. It's an all rectangles are squares but not all squares are rectangles thing. Conservatives don't have the corner on wanting to reduce government.
17 posted on 06/29/2013 1:17:16 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
Fine. Call it progressivism, call it liberalism, call it whatever you want. The point is that the enemy is NOT the Democrat party. We have always voted as if it was, and voting that way is what got us here. Time to stop.

I think what you mean to say is that 'liberalism is the enemy, whether embodied by democrats or republicans'.

18 posted on 06/29/2013 1:19:37 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: cripplecreek; Finny
you know creek, I think I've seen enough. Think I'll leave this thread to my betters ... you included of course as being one of my betters.

Finny ... don't want to be angry with you, so I'll leave.

19 posted on 06/29/2013 1:19:49 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Finny

Nice post Finny but I think they are playing with the machines.


20 posted on 06/29/2013 1:20:42 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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