Posted on 07/12/2013 8:43:30 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
The most dramatic moment yet of the George Zimmerman trial yet occurred during the defense's closing argument Friday morning, when attorney Mark O'Mara paused for four minutes to illustrate a long gap in the prosecution's timeline of events.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
“.....[just] that too many conservatives have been blind to the education establishment for too long...”
I agree that our education system sucks, but we (I mean that as a collective “we” in the sense of Americans generally) have failed our children as well. When did we decide it was up to the educational system to instill values in our kids? I preached conservative principles to my sons all the time. I engaged them in discussions of current and historical events, and made sure they appreciated them with the proper perspective. I would guess most members of this marvelous forum do the same. But far too many parents do not do this for their children, because they do not engage in critical thinking themselves.
In my opinion, that’s where the real breakdown in our society took place. The educational system cannot raise your kids; that’s still the responsibility of the parents.
I haven’t been following the minutiae of the trial too closely, but if the Prosecution is correct, and George was “hunting” Trayvon, why didn’t he have his gun out?
I would never let a woman be on a jury if I was accused of something and ended up in court. I want a jury of my peers.
It would have been in his hand once he got out of the car. Because he had such ill will and malice, why stay vulnerable? Hunters don’t keep their rifles on their back looking for lions. Or even deer. You’ll miss the shot. He was nervous already about following him - on the phone - I don’t want to do that - was nervous about giving his address when walking back after finding the sign - why wasn’t the gun out.
Why wait for what you’re hunting to kick the crap out of you and almost get your gun? Try smothering you as you yell for help?
Why yell for help? Won’t that mess up the hunting plans?
It’s all incredibly weak, the prosecution knows it, I would not want to have had to be them.
The defense lawyers won my respect, which is rare in any case I’ve observed. I think they truly believe in their client’s innocence, unlike the defense lawyers in many cases (i.e.,OJ). Are O’Mara and West court appointed? If so, were they chosen by Z? They seem to be a cut above ordinary public defenders.
The defense lawyers won my respect, which is rare in any case I’ve observed. I think they truly believe in their client’s innocence, unlike the defense lawyers in many cases (i.e.,OJ). Are O’Mara and West court appointed? If so, were they chosen by Z? They seem to be a cut above ordinary public defenders.
Thanks - That may be the case.
But isn't it a sad turn of events when the government in general has become so corrupt that we feel we can't trust them and that every action or word is suspect?
I no longer have much confidence that the justice system can be trusted to seek justice before pursuit of a political agenda.
At the risk of sounding sexist, the prosecution didn't do itself any favors by suggesting to a jury made entirely of women, that someone couldn't get lost in their own neighborhood.. LOL
I have no disagreement with what you said. I was making a much narrower point....which is that many conservatives have been willing to go along with blindly accepting raises for teachers and increases in education spending for decades.....this includes elected officials and voters.
For too long, many conservatives checked their conservatism at the door when it came to education. This has changed in the last 5 years or so, but it should have been going on 30 years ago.
Hello Iron Munro, I hope you are well.
I’ve seen other posts concerning Holder filing a civil rights case after a vedict for GZ. I don’t think that will happen. They made a decision last year.
The Justice Department found there was insufficient evidence of a civil rights violation.
The last paragraph of the article says: “The FBI investigated whether Zimmerman acted with racial bias when he shot and killed Trayvon Martin last year. It found insufficient evidence to charge Zimmerman with a federal violation of Martin’s civil rights.”
Zero and Holder were able to milk their media from the case, and then have gone radio silent since the truth surfaced.
Totally agree with you. And if Z is convicted of anything then it’s an egregious miscarriage of justice and will set a precedent on a few different levels. It will illustrate that the justice system is corrupt and controlled by a corrupt and suspect DOJ. It will illustrate that we can no longer defend ourselves against our perpetrators based on the color of their skin. It will illustrate that the minority community can intimidate and lie against “whitey” in the name of social justice without consequence.
Dangerous times.
Thanks for your info update on the issue.
If Zimmerman is found not guilty I hope Holder sticks to that decision.
Hi Steve —
I was watching live yesterday morning during some of the argument on lesser includeds. You both are correct. THere is a 2010 Florida Supremes case directly on point with murder and manslaughter. Manslaughter is required to be given. West and O’Mara conceded without argument.
These are not public defenders. They are very high-profile Florida defense lawyers.
O’Mara is a legal analyst on televison (great, easy-going personality), and West seems to be a Florida law expert. They are solid - and expensive.
They are the polar opposite of Jose Baez, who seemingly didn’t know what he was doing and was winging it, but got by on likeability and personality.
O’Mara and West are highly skilled lawyers.
They have earned my respect also. I’ve read that they are working pro bono. Extra costs are being handled by Internet donations.
Trayvon was the one with a depraved mind.
He had won the fight with Zimmerman who started screaming. He should have stopped fighting right there. There was no need to continue.
Yet he didn't stop.
What kind of person gets pleasure out of beating someone that is screaming for help? I'll tell you what kind: a psychopath.
Re the persecution referring to TM as a Child.... I scream at the tv every time they’ve said “LITTLE CHILD” WTF.
WHen is 17 - the age of many who fought in WW I, WW II and the civil war - a “little child”??
Agreed! Also, why would GZ call the police (who would arrive anytime) if he was going to kill TM?
Because he was reporting a person the police would have to stop and question.
There is a subtle error in your comment
Rachel did not (despite her testimony) LOSE CONTACT with Trayvon... He closed his phone and put it in his pocket.
I doubt very much if she heard anything, since her stary does not make any sense
If he closed the phone and put it in his pocket, he did it before the fight started.
If he had her hang on to the phone and listen in, then the phone would still have been on when they found him-
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