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Jury weighing Zimmerman's fate asks question about manslaughter option
CNN ^ | 7/13/13 | Mariano Castillo and Greg Botelho

Posted on 07/13/2013 3:17:06 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks

(CNN) -- After more than 12 hours of deliberation, the six women deliberating George Zimmerman's fate asked the court Saturday evening for clarification on the instructions regarding manslaughter, the judge said.

That couldn't have even been a question a few days ago: Judge Debra Nelson ruled Thursday, over the defense's vehement objection, to include manslaughter as an option for jurors, in addition to the second-degree murder charge. Their third option would be to find Zimmerman not guilty.

The question -- which was read out in court, without the jurors present, shortly before 6 p.m. -- was the first posed by the jury since late Friday afternoon, when they requested an inventory of evidence. Afterward, lawyers from both sides approached Nelson's bench; their comments could not be heard.

How long other juries deliberated for in other high-profile cases One of 1,009 fatal shootings in Florida in 2012, Trayvon Martin's death stood out -- the various threads of the story helping to capture the public imagination.

There was, for instance, the fact that an adult had fired on an unarmed teen, soon after police told him not to follow the 17-year-old. And there was the accusation of racial profiling: that Zimmerman -- the son of a Peruvian mother and a white American father, who identifies as Hispanic -- had singled out Martin, at least in part, because the teenager was black.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; kangaroocourt; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Domandred

There is another charge—A Hung Jury.
The women could have been told that the blacks will kill their families if they let Zimmerman walk. The “White Boy” must die to keep the peace. They should nail him to a cross. My bet—Zimmerman is going to Jail where he will never comeout alive. I hope these ladies and the judge wash their hands of his blood. We all should as well. Zimmerman will have died for our sins. What sins you ask? Voting for Obama perhaps, Not voting for “dog abusing” Mitt Romney? Voting for Liberal Democrats out of habit? Trusting hope and change when you could see it was a lie? We are all sinners.


121 posted on 07/13/2013 4:28:31 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: USS Johnston

100%. And then we (collectively speaking) put that subhuman marxist/muslim/racist/fascist/hate-America/faggot/doper/liar/traitor, back in for a 2nd time, to finish destroying America. And the SHTF will happen, as the welfare state collapses under its own weight.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~carriagehill/


122 posted on 07/13/2013 4:28:46 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Fawn

The child abuse charge was aimed squarely at the women jurors. They knew it had no chance, it was a psyop.


123 posted on 07/13/2013 4:29:08 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: RightInJersey

You’re correct in that you can’t please everyone, and these legal gymnastics are only designed to appease the base element who couldn’t give a damn about justice ... I’m sick & tired of the “moderation” myth applied to every facet of society; particularly, it has NO place in a criminal proceeding, where the “compromise” result would effectively be no different from the extreme outcome that the race crowd set out for.


124 posted on 07/13/2013 4:29:22 PM PDT by mikrofon (Weekend BUMP)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

It’s not a minor conviction, it’s serious.


125 posted on 07/13/2013 4:29:35 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: USS Johnston
Thankfully, I haven't found out.......yet.
126 posted on 07/13/2013 4:31:15 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

It isn’t my job to explain anything. I just asked a question. Zimmerman’s fate is now in the hands of the jury. My opinion doesn’t mean a thing.


127 posted on 07/13/2013 4:31:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Domandred

It’s Florida law but it’s an unfair law. He was charged with 2nd degree murder. He pled not guilty to 2nd degree murder. He was tried on 2nd degree murder. The jury took notes on 2nd degree murder. Then they’re told they can find him guilty of manslaughter if they believe he pulled the trigger.

If the prosecution can change the charges, Zimmerman should be able to change his story.


128 posted on 07/13/2013 4:32:09 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: yarddog

Yup. That scares me. If they didn’t return a “not guilty” pronto, they’re unclear on the concept of “beyond a reasonable doubt”. They can be unconvinced of his innocence, but they can’t be sure of his guilt - and that should be obvious.


129 posted on 07/13/2013 4:33:18 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The moral of the story is: don’t assault people.

An armed society is a polite society.


130 posted on 07/13/2013 4:33:57 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Clint N. Suhks

Maybe, maybe not. I read the judge’s instructions to the jury, and the application of the affirmative defense of self-defense to the manslaughter charge was not spelled out as clearly as its application to the second degree murder charge. If they were asking for a clarification of that point (and got an honest description of the law in reply) it might be good news.


131 posted on 07/13/2013 4:34:03 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Fawn
but we are in the world of me me me.......

I hear ya...I'll trust in the heart of these women first. If it goes any other way, we will only know it was a designed travesty of justice and we will never have an explanation of why.

132 posted on 07/13/2013 4:34:47 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Excuse me...Here's your nose. I found it in my business....agian!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Zimmerman was laying on his back and choking on blood. The blood had not yet been pulled by gravity down onto his mouth.


133 posted on 07/13/2013 4:35:09 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: The_Reader_David

I see it as good news also. Ruled out Murder 2, making sure about manslaughter for the holdout(s)


134 posted on 07/13/2013 4:35:45 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Ray76

I don’t expect a polite society after the verdict, whatever it is.


135 posted on 07/13/2013 4:36:00 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: pallis

“It was a hopelessly hung jury.”

Was that person re-tried?


136 posted on 07/13/2013 4:36:11 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a chain of convenience stores.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
"I was troubled as to why Trayvon did not have any of Zimmerman’s blood on his hands."

Nobody ever showed there was no blood on his hands. After being exposed to the rain for some amount of time the examiners didn't notice any visually, and that was it. There was never a test that showed none was there.

137 posted on 07/13/2013 4:37:23 PM PDT by mlo
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To: ilovesarah2012
“It isn’t my job to explain anything.”

Fair enough. I'm simply stating that in this case the supposedly higly accurate and infallible “forensic evidence” is full of “inconclusive results”, spoiled samples and inept evidence preservation that makes the whole of their testimony suspect. IMHO.

138 posted on 07/13/2013 4:39:48 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: 3Fingas

If Zimmerman is found guilty every white man in America is going to have to lay down and take a beating every time a black man feels like punching him. If the white man fights back and harms the black guy, he’s toast.


139 posted on 07/13/2013 4:40:43 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Any possible disorder will be from those gullible enough to follow the Black Panthers, Al “Tawana Brawley” Sharpton, and Jessie “Hymie-Town” Jackson. Those thugs, scammers, and hypocrites ginned up the protests and cast this case racially when there is no evidence of race being a factor.


140 posted on 07/13/2013 4:41:41 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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