Posted on 07/19/2013 7:14:13 AM PDT by Gamecock
What happens when a fight breaks out at a bar? A Penn State sociologist gathered data from nightlife venues in Toronto to find out. From BPS Research Digest:
Michael Parks and his colleagues trained dozens of observers who analyzed 860 aggressive incidents across 503 nights in 87 large clubs and bars in Toronto, Canada. Aggression was defined as anything from a verbal insult or unwanted physical contact to a punch or kick. Incidents were twice as likely to involve one-sided aggression as opposed to mutual aggression. The most common incident involved a man making persistent unwanted overtures or physical contact towards a female. Male on male aggression was the next most frequent category. All-female aggression was rare.
Third parties intervened in almost one third of these situations, and they were more than twice as likely to intervene in a non-aggressive way than to be aggressive themselves. Eighty per cent of third parties who got involved were men. Drunk third parties were more likely to be aggressive. Surprisingly perhaps, the most frequent kind of aggressive incident (male on female) was the least likely to provoke third party involvement. One-sided aggression between men also provoked few interventions. Parks and his team think this is probably because such incidents are judged to be non-serious and unlikely to escalate.
Translation: Cat fights in bars are not as common as we would like to think.
>> A Penn State sociologist gathered data from nightlife venues
Now THERE’S PhD gray matter that has NOT gone to waste.
This guy figured out how to make it his HIGHLY COMPENSATED JOB to hang out in a bar, drinking and watching people. His EMPLOYER paid the tab.
Ron White would be proud!
In all the years that I was in the Air Force....over twenty....I’ve only seen one bar fight in an enlisted club. It involved two guys who were both fairly drunk and neither likely knew what started it.
I worked with a guy who attend honky-tonk bars in Texas over a two-year period and witnessed around forty bar fights. His general analysis was that they all started either over a drunken state, an insult concerning NCAA football, or some guy’s wife (neither of the two guys fighting were generally the husband). He felt that fights were lively entertainment, and he’d actually pay money to watch fights, if they were pay-per-view type situations.
Most women know how to get some poor dumb cluck to do their fighting for them.
Really! I used to do that and pay the bar owner to do so!
Let me be the first one to volunteer to confirm these results. How do I go about getting a government/academic grant to tour the nations bars and nightclubs where I can observe and catalogue rowdy behavior?
Women fight in the Denny’s afterwards
Bar fights were really common in Kin, outside Camp Hanson in Okinawa.
Usually someone looking for a fight with a chip on their shoulder. Or just people who fought in bars the way other people raced cars.
The period I was over there was 81 through 84.
The Karate Kid and Fight club movies hadn’t come out yet, but they do have at least a tenuous basis in fact.
Fights weren’t as long as in the shows though, nor as dramatic to watch.
I had an acquaintance who once killed a guy in a bar fight.
Got into a fistfight with a guy on the sidewalk outside the bar. Landed a punch square on his jaw, he flew back and hit his head against the curb. Suffered some form of a brain hemorrhage and died.
Just like Zimmerman the case was overcharged (2nd. Degree Murder!) And like George the jury acquitted him for self-defense.
Plain truth of the matter is that whenever two grown men come to blows, there is a statistically significant chance that one of them is gonna die. This acquaintance has since died of unrelated causes.
I am certain that has to do with the fundamental differences between the sexes. In bars, men are at the forefront of the hunter-gatherer nucleus, and as a result, are more likely to come into contact with unknown and possibly confrontational masculine forces that are vying for the attention of available females..
The females tend to contract backwards in the bar settings, except for those who may have a vested interest in either the advancement or demotion in status of one of the males involved at the point of contact. In that case, the females will often interject themselves actively into the situation, using either sexual allures or pointed insults to bring things to a boiling point that suits her purposes best, be it gain, advancement or revenge, for the tribe, her personally in a direct or indirect fashion, for revenge, or simple amusement. Do not discount the last, as the females of the species have been shown to be more cunning and sadistic in their base motives when it suits them. Using males as tools to achieve her goals is easily done due to the volatility of the male sex drive, particularly in young men.
However, when moving from bars or other places of possible open confrontation to an area where domestication, the providing of food and nourishment plays a more dominant role, and as such, so do the females of the species move to the forefront of affairs. It is in this environment that men are promoted or demoted by the close ministrations of the females of the tribe during the nourishment phase.
It is also in this semi-domesticated environment (Denny's, MacDonalds, late night Chinese restaurants, etc) that the females of different tribes may come into close, and occasionally violent contact with each other. Often the root cause is a perception of disrespect that the initiates the hostilities. Although it it widely seen as an even primarily occurring in the less privileged tribes, it is occasionally seen in more advanced tribes during times of ostensible celebrations such as weddings, anniversaries, birthdays and other more "social" events.
In all of these situations, whether in the more advanced or more primitive of the tribes, the males are often more inclined to sit back and let events take their course as they will in what are commonly termed "cat fights". Intrusion by males into these female dominated forays is seen as exceedingly dangerous with very little prospect of gain, so intelligent males of the species tend to stay at a distance and watch with interest. It is known that some males of the species find this hostile activity between women not only interesting but also sexually arousing, and will display all outward signs of arousal while watching. Older, more experience males of the species can be seen to disinterestedly watch while utilizing alcohol and tobacco products.
So the summary of this research is - drunk men tend to get in fights in bars at night!
Amazing!! Who knew???
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you did this research for free?
you should’ve applied for a government grant and gotten paid to “study” this behavior.
Headline is misleading. If most of the observed incidents were males accosting women, then that should have been in the headline and the study wasn’t really valid as being about bar fights.
As one who has spent a lifetime in bars of all types (except gay bars), my experience has been that almost all real bar fights are the result of at least one of the male participants having indulged in enough alcohol to become offensive and invade the other participants space or become verbally abusive.
Sometimes third parties, especially bouncers, become involved in trying to end the confrontation but wind up in a fight themselves.
When women actually engage in physical fights you can guarantee that too much alcohol combined with verbal abuse, mostly over sexual competition, is involved
Talk to anyone who has ever worked the overnight shift at Denny’s.
At bar closing time, every troublemaker in those joints makes a beeline for Denny’s.
Hehe, writing that crap is like writing performance evaluations in the military. Once you know the language they want to see, it is a piece of cake!
Excellent.
I love the diction and phraseology.
YEARS ago there was a gay bar in my hometown. Word got out that the straight women were going there because they weren't getting hit on all the time. It was just a matter of time before straight men were going there in search of straight women, and before you knew it the place became straight.
Or awards. I recently wrote an ARCOM for someone I didn't even know, and it was approved.
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