Posted on 09/23/2013 2:38:42 PM PDT by shego
Some trivia to rock your world.
Martin Luther, the founder of Protestanism, wrote a lovely screed called “On Jews and their Lies.”
Luther’s work contained a 7 point plan that was the blueprint for the Shoa and the resulting murder of 6 million Jewish people:
Here’s Luther’s steps:
1.for Jewish synagogues and schools to be burned to the ground, and the remnants buried out of sight;
2.for houses owned by Jews to be likewise razed, and the owners made to live in agricultural outbuildings;
3.for their religious writings to be taken away;
4.for rabbis to be forbidden to preach, and to be executed if they do;
5.for safe conduct on the roads to be abolished for Jews;
6.for usury to be prohibited, and for all silver and gold to be removed and “put aside for safekeeping”; and
7.for the Jewish population to be put to work as agricultural slave laborers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies
Luther’s tract was so populat among the Nazis, they passed it out during rallies.
No, they have almost always been pretty bad.
USA is a noted exception.
Keep in mind, I do NOT have an axe to grind.
I cannot, however, tolerate the false belief that Christians have been, overwhelmingly, pretty hostile to the Jewish people for 1900 years.
Yes, there are wonderful exceptions, most notably the USA. But it is the exception.
SOrry “not”
>> looking for something to disagree with, but can’t come up with anything yet...
Easy. Christianity is not a religion. It’s Faith.
“looking for something to disagree with”
Governors have no business telling people what they must think?? Is that maybe something to disagree about?
Is there an election coming up, I guess there must be since we are reading this kind of “hit piece”....
Your point was also that his statement reinforces a false belief among Jews.
For Jews to hold that false belief while remaining democrat is illogical, a cognitive dissonance bordering on insanity, when democrats like Jackson, Sharpton and Farrakhan are so highly visible. The supporters of Nazism and Fascism in the US were the philosophical forebears of today’s liberal/progressives - shouldn’t THAT give them pause? The Soviets were inhospitable to the Jews - yet many are ardent socialists/communists. AND the powers behind the re-establishment of the Jewish state were...Christians. The biggest supporters of Israel in the US today, outside of the Jewish community, are conservative Christians, while democrats try to marginalize and abandon Israel - yet Jews remain stubbornly democrat.
To your original post (point) I say this - I expect a man to bring his religious beliefs to whatever he does. If he doesn’t, he is dishonest and a hypocrite - claiming to be something he does not live. I expect a politician to be guided by his religious beliefs. E.g. if a politician professes to be a Catholic, but supports abortion, he is a liar and not to be trusted. Such a person is dangerous in office.
Anyone who inhibits or coerces the practice of religion through public office is also to be feared.
I have seen no evidence that this man is either of those.
“And Jackson seems hell-bent on keeping them there.”
Why would you say that. What is there about what he says that should inhibit a Jew from becoming a conservative?
A candidate for public office to make the statement “Anyone who is not a Christian is following a false religion” is hurting themselves and all other conservative candidates who will have to answer to what he said. You know how the modern media works. Do you remember Akin and Mourdock?
Why would they find his comments insulting?
The implication is that your friends are religious Jews - their very existence (as religious Jews) is a statement of their belief that my religion, Christianity, is false. (Just as my existence as a believing Christian is a statement of my belief that their religion is false.)
I am not insulted by their existence, nor by their beliefs, nor even if they were to tell me that my religion is false. I am mature enough, and sophisticated enough to not be insulted by another man’s non-Christian faith. That he should assert the truth of his faith, and the falsity of mine is no occasion to take offense. I would, at the least, admire the man’s contention for his belief.
Are your friends immature, or are they unsophisticated? How do they react to the fact that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan are democrats? Or that the liberals of the 30s supported Hitler? Or that the socialist Soviets persecuted the Jews? Or that the KKK was comprised mostly of democrats? Or the abandonment of Israel by the democrats? If they remain democrats in light of that knowledge, they are hypocrites if they tell you they are insulted by this fellow’s words.
Except that Jesus Christ and His disciples are Jewish.
Is this your backdoor way of trying to push your anti-gun, pro-abortion, queer-loving, racebaiting liberal candidate?
Guess I can’t blame you for not wanting to do it directly....not since last night, when folks got wise to you.
Judaism is the truth. Christianity is the truth fulfilled. Sadly, most Jews deny Christ as their Messiah. They have not recognized the completion, fulfillment, of the Old Testament.
I am not an expert, by any means, but that’s how I see it. When I read the Old Testament, I don’t consider it a “false” religion, as I would, for example, a Qoran. I consider it the old covenant - but still the word of God.
So you are claiming that someone who does something in direct contradiction of the Christian scripture is acting in Christian faith?
FWIW - I am not Catholic, and do not feel that the actions of any pope reflect or bear on anyone outside the Catholic Church.
Amen, friend.
PS - it is not my Church, and Christianity and Catholicism are not synonymous a
“The Jews believe the very premise of Christianity is false.”
This is your claim. Not all Jews believe this.
What premise are you referring to, exactly? The Jews may still be waiting for a messiah. Christians believe Jesus will come again to deliver us from evil. The messiah will come to deliver the Jews from their enemies, so that they will know His Name is the Lord.
How do you know that both of these expectations won’t be met at the same time?
Again, I’m guessing at your premise.
How do you know that the two beliefs are at odds?
The Catholic Church - yes.
Christianity - no.
The Nazis were theologically pagan using Christian phrases for the sake of the many Lutherans in Germany. Many evangelical German Christians were killed by the Nazis. On the other hand, the Nazis did get a lot of support from the Italian Catholics. Neither the Catholics nor the Lutherans would be considered evangelicals. It was the American left that gave early support to Hitler and Stalin who also killed many Jews. Why do you think it is that the American left including the Democrats are opposed to Israel, while Israel’s strongest support is the evangelicals?
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