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Obamacare's winners and losers in Bay Area
Contra Costa Times (CA) ^ | October 5, 2013 | By Tracy Seipel

Posted on 10/06/2013 6:57:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

In California, 1.9 million people buy plans on the open market, according to officials with Covered California, the state's new health insurance exchange. And many of them are steaming mad.

"Welcome to the club," said Robert Laszewksi, a prominent health care consultant and president of Health Policy and Strategy Associates in Virginia.

(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: failure; obama; obamacare; rinocare; socialism
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1 posted on 10/06/2013 6:57:51 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These two are brain-washed.


2 posted on 10/06/2013 7:00:20 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura will continue to be staunch Dems, no doubt, but in secret. They will VOTE GOP.


3 posted on 10/06/2013 7:01:01 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

the “rich” get to pay for everybody just like the “rich” pay every cent of every paycheck every government “worker” and “retiree” collect.


4 posted on 10/06/2013 7:01:36 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

but but but....those who did not have insurance will now have the opportunity to buy insurance or pay a stiff fine for not having it going forward!

“A new king arose over Egypt, who did not know”...nothing could more closely describe the plague let loose on this country Jan 20 2009. (this is the quote changed a bit in the movie Wall Street)


5 posted on 10/06/2013 7:06:13 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"I really don't like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family's pocket each year, that's otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy."

And there you go.

6 posted on 10/06/2013 7:07:18 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"I'm not against Obamacare," Waschura said. "It's just the initial shock. I'm holding out hope that there will be a correction over a handful of years."

you've made your bed, now lie in it


7 posted on 10/06/2013 7:07:19 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Don’t take my word for it, these are my opinions...Do your own Homework)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The "money-quote":

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

8 posted on 10/06/2013 7:08:27 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Those surpised....by any of the repurcussions of obamas plans...are seldom forthcoming enough to speak their minds.....to those of us who know what he is.

I see these disgruntled folk as being a part of the vast majority throughout the “bay area”...

God Save Us From The Regime.


9 posted on 10/06/2013 7:08:55 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( Un-Documented Journalist / Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Ahhh! That elusively fickle group of fart-sniffing egotists that like to have their ass kissed and talcum powdered by the media and foolish RINO candidates who think these people are open minded. Just like a Democrat, just like anyone connected with Government, just like the media, these people are outright liars and cannot be trusted under any circumstance. It is probably likely they are lying on this story too.

10 posted on 10/06/2013 7:09:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: darkwing104

There will be a correction, all right. The premiums and deductibles will increase.

Classic example of the low information voter.


11 posted on 10/06/2013 7:10:45 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Gaffer

My bad...should have read further. Regardless, I still somehow think they’d be willing to stretch any blame for this over to the Republicans. Their past voting performance and general like for AFA dictate this.


12 posted on 10/06/2013 7:12:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Sure they are “Independent”

They always vote for the biggest MARXIST on the ticket.


13 posted on 10/06/2013 7:13:28 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sure. We were gonna give 30 million people insurance and pay for it with pixie dust.


14 posted on 10/06/2013 7:14:48 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
They vote independent and are proud to say they [voted to] pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy [and] almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four, [respectively].

There, fixed it.

15 posted on 10/06/2013 7:14:51 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This article proves my point that the House is fighting the good fight...RINO’s in Senate keep saying to let Obamacare fall on its own..cowards.
People like these two in article are realizing the sticker shock of this mess & that its not free..with the medias help, people know who’s fighting this monstrosity & why there doing it. It’s a win-win in my opinion. The GOP chose perfect time to fight this, Ocare is a flop & at same time, people are getting letters canceling insurance, rate increases etc...
Will it sway these two “independents” to vote GOP anytime soon? maybe, maybe not..but some will.


16 posted on 10/06/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by rainee (Her)
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To: rawhide
Here's the money quote:

"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

Idiot. Socialists are so amazingly generous when it comes to other people's money.

17 posted on 10/06/2013 7:18:33 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Innovative

Oops. Beat me to it. Great minds think alike. Yours just happens to be 10 minutes faster.


18 posted on 10/06/2013 7:19:55 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: unixfox

I guess to me the moniker “Independent” with respect to the last several Presidential elections has been one of believing these are people with a deep personality flaw that prevents them from revealing their true beliefs (Democrat/Progressive) so that they can be pampered and pandered by all those dumbass politicians and media that actual believe someone in such an election can still be ‘open-minded’ etc......it’s just pure BS.


19 posted on 10/06/2013 7:21:22 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: darkwing104

“...good and hard.”


20 posted on 10/06/2013 7:25:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
another issue here in california i havent seen discussed yet.

when you really look at the covered California plans, they are highly restrictive as to doctors and other service providers. you will almost certainly have to give up your doctor, and in our area, you wont be able to go the best hospitals in the area. that is going to be the real shock IMHO. if you are in covered California you will feel a lot like a second class sucky insurance network. starting to feel like medical , which is medicaid out here.

21 posted on 10/06/2013 7:25:32 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: yldstrk
“the “rich” get to pay for everybody just like the “rich” pay every cent of every paycheck every government “worker” and “retiree” collect.”

True, but the cost of owebamacare insuring about 30 million leeches ‘free’ is so massive that ‘the rich’ had to be scaled down to include lower middle class.

The useful idiots that voted for O’bastard and are quick to cheer any law that will screw the rich are finding out what it's like to be on the recieving end of that screwing.

22 posted on 10/06/2013 7:31:06 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: darkwing104

This is why the Republicans should not pass any laws to fix this crap law. They have already passed laws to remove some of the unintended consequences . Just recently the Republicans in the Senate helped pass a bill to remove the medical device tax and some republicans in the house want to take it up. Leave it alone! This law will fail on its on unless the republicans agree to fixes and then it just becomes another unfunded liability!


23 posted on 10/06/2013 7:31:28 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: Hoodat

I just happened to have seen it 10 minutes sooner — but that sure describes Obamacare, and socialism in general — everyone is generous and wants everyone to have everything, as long as he/she is not the one paying for it.

Reminds me of an old joke.

Communist party boss explains communism to peasant:

C: If your neighbor has two cows, you’ll get one.
P: Sounds great!

C: If your neighbor has two chickens, you’ll get one.
P: Terrific, I like it.

C: If your neighbor has two shirts, you’ll get one.
P: No, I don’t like this afterall.

C: Why not?
P: Because I have two shirts.

Moral of the story is obvious — as long as you are getting something from someone else, people like it, but when they discover they are the ones who pay for someone else, they don’t like it. And this is the basis of socialism and obamacare, and not only you have to give up things, but the government decides how much they take away from you and who gets it.

Obamacare is instituted specifically to start the conversion of the US from a free country to a socialist county and make everyone dependent on the government.


24 posted on 10/06/2013 7:32:06 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Gaffer

In California, if you are a ‘decline to state’ voter, you get to vote in the primaries for whichever party you decide. And you don’t have to decide till you walk up to the polls.

At least that is how it was when I lived there about 6 years ago. Where I live now, you have to be a declared member of a party to vote in the primary, but you can declare within 15 days of the election.


25 posted on 10/06/2013 7:36:25 AM PDT by Betis70
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To: Innovative
"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

Yeah, where is the skittle pooping unicorn when you need it?

26 posted on 10/06/2013 7:37:46 AM PDT by randita
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

Para los niños, stupid.

27 posted on 10/06/2013 7:43:51 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: darkwing104
"I'm not against Obamacare," Waschura said. "It's just the initial shock. I'm holding out hope that there will be a correction over a handful of years."

Don't worry. They'll "correct" this thing by raising your premiums even higher.
28 posted on 10/06/2013 7:45:09 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But but but..... at least these two feeeeeeel so noble helping the uninsured to get ‘affordable healthcare’, right?

Right???!!!???!!!

Why didn’t reporters ask them the question?


29 posted on 10/06/2013 7:46:37 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: darkwing104

There will be a change......higher and higher ‘til you squeal for single payer. All according to plan.


30 posted on 10/06/2013 7:48:42 AM PDT by mykroar (China and Russia are playing chess while Obamas's playing 52 card pick-up.)
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To: darkwing104
"I'm holding out hope that there will be a correction over a handful of years."

he correction will be that some insurance companies will drop off the exchanges. Does any one really believe that this years rates are not just introductory and there will be even more bad surprises come Oct 2014?

31 posted on 10/06/2013 7:54:25 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Right Wing Yahoos taking Over the GOP --YAHOO!)
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To: darkwing104
"I'm not against Obamacare," Waschura said. "It's just the initial shock. I'm holding out hope that there will be a correction over a handful of years."

Oh, there will be a "correction" all right....

32 posted on 10/06/2013 7:58:32 AM PDT by uncitizen (Obamacare IS TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION)
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To: Innovative
You have probably heard these before, but this explanation from Atlas Shrugged is the best I have ever heard.

The Twentieth Century Motor Company - Part 1
The Twentieth Century Motor Company - Part 2
The Twentieth Century Motor Company - Part 3

33 posted on 10/06/2013 7:59:35 AM PDT by Hoodat (BENGHAZI - 4 KILLED, 2 MIA)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
ObamaCare House of Horrors: Healthcare.Gov Hit with Avalanche of Angry Facebook Reality Check Comments: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84252-obamacare-house-horrors-healthcare-gov-hit-avalanche-angry-facebook-comments/

Okay now we will try the landline # 1-800-318-2596 listed above or 1-800-318-2596 = 1-800-FAU-CKYO.


34 posted on 10/06/2013 8:01:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
ObamaCare House of Horrors: Healthcare.Gov Hit with Avalanche of Angry Facebook Reality Check Comments: http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/84252-obamacare-house-horrors-healthcare-gov-hit-avalanche-angry-facebook-comments/

Okay now we will try the landline # 1-800-318-2596 listed above or 1-800-318-2596 = 1-800-FAU-CKYO.


35 posted on 10/06/2013 8:01:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Boycott Reno & Las Vegas until those in control there, remove Reid from the senate!)
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To: Innovative
"Of course, I want people to have health care," Vinson said. "I just didn't realize I would be the one who was going to pay for it personally."

The "money-quote":

It sure is. They desire to spend other people's money to make themselves feel good about "caring for the poor." It is simple covetousness for the purpose of self-aggrandizement, and nothing more.

36 posted on 10/06/2013 8:04:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ZeroCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There are only losers in SF.


37 posted on 10/06/2013 8:09:09 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Every time a liberal gets pissed off an angel gets their wings.)
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To: All

Sadly, the damage of electing Obama won’t only be felt by those that voted for this lying sack-of-shit, but those of us that didn’t will also have to pay for the actions of the idiots.


38 posted on 10/06/2013 8:14:41 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Ask the MSM about Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. Observe the subsequent blank stares.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I love the smell of schadenfreude on Sunday morning. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to live with the pile of stinking excrement the rest of our lives.


39 posted on 10/06/2013 8:19:42 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you’re a hard working family man with a couple of kids making around 100 grand a year....State, local and federal taxing agencies want pretty much all your money.


40 posted on 10/06/2013 8:21:11 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Beagle8U
the cost of owebamacare insuring about 30 million leeches ‘free’ is so massive that ‘the rich’ had to be scaled down to include lower middle class

Bingo. That's it in one sentence.

41 posted on 10/06/2013 8:25:13 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: All

Most people making a modest 30k+ per year are paying 50% of their earnings to the US Government in one way or another.

Sales Tax, Income Tax, Cell Phone Tax, Taxes on most utilities, higher Health Care costs, and on and on and on...

California has a $500.00 fine for running a Red Light.

Most of these infractions are due to the cars rear wheels not completely passing thru an intersection.
It’s just another way to part you from your money.

Yet we are still broke as a country, and not just financially.


42 posted on 10/06/2013 8:28:15 AM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (Ask the MSM about Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian. Observe the subsequent blank stares.)
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To: darkwing104

“”I’m not against Obamacare,” Waschura said. “It’s just the initial shock. I’m holding out hope that there will be a correction over a handful of years.””

Sorry pal, it has only one way to go, UP! That will be the direction of all future “corrections.” It’s just too bad there won’t be another “correction” before the 2014 elections, but since they are in November, I guess the “new rates” for 2015 will be out by then unless FUBO tells the HC Insurance co’s, to save their “new numbers” until after the election.


43 posted on 10/06/2013 8:51:39 AM PDT by vette6387 (i)
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To: cloudmountain

Hey, didn’t you read? They’re independents. Independents who are proud that they helped elect and re-elect Obama. Yeah, independents like Bernie Sanders is an independent.


44 posted on 10/06/2013 8:54:49 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama is an historic President. He's America's first 'Dear Leader' President.)
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To: Beagle8U

“The useful idiots that voted for O’bastard and are quick to cheer any law that will screw the rich are finding out what it’s like to be on the recieving end of that screwing.”

Good


45 posted on 10/06/2013 8:58:25 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Miserable bastards.. too dumb to vote.. california edukational system byproducts.


46 posted on 10/06/2013 9:44:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Sir Napsalot

First the sticker shock. Then comes anger. Now we see the trickle of complaints, soon it’s going to be an avalanche.

Obama may be aware public anger can turn on a dime, he is hoping, with his lying cabal accomplice, he can direct the public irk.

He is ‘in charge’. People always blame the top guy and the party holds power.


47 posted on 10/06/2013 9:58:14 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Free Health care, anyone? BWAHAHAHA


48 posted on 10/06/2013 11:15:51 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Obama&Admin=An army of deer, led by a lion is more to be feared than an army of lions led by a deer)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

“I really don’t like the Republican tactics, but at least now I can understand why they are so pissed about this. When you take $10,000 out of my family’s pocket each year, that’s otherwise disposable income or retirement savings that will not be going into our local economy.”

And there you go.”””

These costs are just for the first year....all indications are that the costs will go up expotentially in the immediate future.

Keep in mind that the all powerful Obama Federal government cannot even keep their websites running properly for a bill they demanded-—while a man in his pajamas in Fresno can keep Free Republic running for quite a number of years.

Obama & his minions had complete control over Obamacare from the beginning & he still cannot tell you how much you should be paying.

How long before you cannot pay your mortgage or your rent???

How about your car payment? Your cable bill?? Your wine tasting trip to Napa??? Your San Fran symphony tickets?? Your Giants tickets? Your 49’er tickets?? Your BART monthly pass? Your E-Z pass to cross the bridges in San Fran???

Not all of us who preached AGAINST Obama were stupid ......but alot of you voters were.

As for the Bay area-—you keep electing Democrats all over the state & Federal map of politicians. They are choking the life out of California. How long will you even have a job there??

Now you are in their cross hairs. See how you like it.


49 posted on 10/06/2013 12:39:11 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Jabba the Nutt

They are independent - their actions are independent from any intelligence.


50 posted on 10/06/2013 3:37:07 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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