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Sebelius: Individuals Can Get A One Year Obamacare Delay -- By Paying The Penalty
RealClearPolitics ^ | October 7, 2013 | RealClearPolitics

Posted on 10/07/2013 10:22:02 PM PDT by i88schwartz

Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius defended Obamacare in a very contentious interview with Daily Show host Jon Stewart on Monday night.

Stewart pressed Sebelius on why businesses get a one-year delay on Obamacare but individuals do not. After several attempts for an answer, Sebelius eventually said individuals could delay Obamacare for a year -- by paying the penalty.

JON STEWART: So this is what some would consider the first mall that's been created [for purchasing health care insurance].

KATHLEEN SEBELIUS: You bet. The first -- new rules for companies.

STEWART: So why is it that individuals, though, couldn't say that they didn't want to do it just for a year, like business?

SEBELIUS: Well, they can.

STEWART: Oh, they --

SEBELIUS: They'd pay a fine. They'd pay a fine at the end of the year, but they don't have to -- I mean, they can say I didn't want to do it. The theory is they can't pick and choose if they're going to get hit by a bus or diagnosed with a illness. For a lot of young folks, there is one fall on the basketball court, one auto accident from a lifetime of hospital bills they can't pay.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iwillnotcomply; jonstewart; kathleensebelius; obamacare; sebelius; tarandfeathers

1 posted on 10/07/2013 10:22:02 PM PDT by i88schwartz
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To: i88schwartz

Civil disobedience beats paying a fine though. Ask any “99% occupier”.


2 posted on 10/07/2013 10:24:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The DemocRAT Pahtay! Spending our grandchildren's future, today!)
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To: i88schwartz

bump


3 posted on 10/07/2013 10:24:52 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: i88schwartz

Don’t buy. Just get married and divorced to trigger the life chane when u need it. A lot of one day Vegas marriages.


4 posted on 10/07/2013 10:24:53 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: i88schwartz

They pay a tax. Penalty is so “pre-Roberts.”


5 posted on 10/07/2013 10:26:51 PM PDT by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: i88schwartz

I wish we really had real press people, like we used to.

Follow up would be:

Explain how, in your mind, “paying the fine” is “a waiver” for individuals when you just explained that for businesses, who you do say get a waiver, means they DON’T pay the fine? Aren’t these two opposite definitions of what “waiver” means?

God our press is so brown shirt they may as well just wear their little hopey-changey buttons.


6 posted on 10/07/2013 10:27:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Don’t buy. Just get married and divorced to trigger the life chane when u need it. A lot of one day Vegas marriages.

Ha ha! Never heard of that one.

But I have been thinking. A 2700-page law with 10's of thousands of pages of regs must have A LOT of loopholes.

7 posted on 10/07/2013 10:29:19 PM PDT by matt1234 (The NRA: Redefining "Too big to fail.")
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To: matt1234

loopholes don’t matter. Her Majesty the Witch . . . Oh, sorry, I meant Kathleen . . . is in charge of all decisions.


8 posted on 10/07/2013 10:35:31 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: i88schwartz

Okay, so why can’t businesses just pay the fine as well?

/S


9 posted on 10/07/2013 10:35:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Because then they would have less money to donate to Democrats.


10 posted on 10/07/2013 10:41:41 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: i88schwartz

The people can have any color healthcare they want, as long as it’s black.

-with apologies to Henry Ford


11 posted on 10/07/2013 10:42:03 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: i88schwartz
They'd pay a fine.

But then they wouldn't have health insurance.

Why didn't you come back with that, Leibowitz?

Some tough interview!

12 posted on 10/07/2013 10:43:51 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: i88schwartz

Thanks again, John Roberts.....for all that you did to us.


13 posted on 10/07/2013 10:43:58 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: i88schwartz

I’m not paying anything, *itch!


14 posted on 10/07/2013 10:59:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: i88schwartz

What is this blithering idiot talking about? She’s not only vocally illiterate, she is evil.

Another Obama appointee from Hell.


15 posted on 10/07/2013 11:01:59 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Kennard

Sure they would. Just gets quickly marriage/divorce to trigger the life event to allow you to sign up the day of the injury.

Persisting conditions no longer excluder.


16 posted on 10/07/2013 11:04:22 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: i88schwartz

This evil b*tch can see the point-of-view of adult citizens about as well as she can see the point-of-view of a baby being butchered by her boyfriend George Tiller.

A priest whose insight I trust has said she has all the earmarks of a (unrepentant) post-abortive woman. The rage, the pinched, ravaged face, hatred of Christ and the Church, etc.


17 posted on 10/07/2013 11:15:24 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I agree with your priest friend. Just the sight of her makes me ill. She is not human.

And btw, supersillious, I will not pay one dime for the honor of not being in your circus.


18 posted on 10/07/2013 11:27:58 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: i88schwartz

Let them eat cake, eh Kathy?


19 posted on 10/07/2013 11:29:40 PM PDT by DemforBush (Of all the Thompson gunners, Roland was the best.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Or you can “move” to a neighboring state temporarily...get insurance in the new state...then move back and get insurance in your state.


20 posted on 10/07/2013 11:46:12 PM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: i88schwartz

Young folks who fall or have an accident without insurance just won’t pay the bill. If they have no assets, they’ll just let it go to collections. No lifetime of paying medical bills. These people truly live a fantasy world where they have not considered real human behavior, as it interferes with their utopian vision of rainbows and unicorns.


21 posted on 10/07/2013 11:52:54 PM PDT by informavoracious (Of course I want people to have healthcare, I just didn't know I was the one who would be paying...)
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To: i88schwartz

Sebelius: Individuals Can Get A One Year Obamacare Delay -- By Paying The Penalty A BRIBE


22 posted on 10/07/2013 11:58:10 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: i88schwartz

I will not comply with obamacare or the fine.


23 posted on 10/08/2013 12:55:21 AM PDT by conservative98
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To: Secret Agent Man

And Jon Stewart to boot. He makes a joke at of everything this is not a joke. I dont even watch TV anymore its filled with charlatans and sluts.


24 posted on 10/08/2013 12:56:56 AM PDT by funfan
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To: Roccus

She makes it sound like you can only pay the penalty one time. I have news for this bitch I can only afford the find each year.


25 posted on 10/08/2013 12:58:41 AM PDT by funfan
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To: conservative98
I will not comply with obamacare or the fine.

That's the spirit!

The whole execrable concept of Civil Disobedience is liberal at its core. It renounces force, except for that which is sanctioned by the State. Proper disobedience must admit the use of force, even if the result is that some of the Enforcers never meet their grandchildren.

26 posted on 10/08/2013 1:12:08 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: i88schwartz

They’re going to have to build new jails. Nobody I know is signing up for CommieCare, nor do we plan to pay any unconstitutional fines for not buying it. That’s that.


27 posted on 10/08/2013 1:30:22 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: funfan

“I dont even watch TV anymore its filled with charlatans and sluts.”

That is a growing problem for the media (in which I include Stewart and his ilk); too many people kick back after dinner & turn on a PC. They still have the low/no information voters, but for a growing number of people they simply represent the latest take on FDR’s firesaide chats.


28 posted on 10/08/2013 2:44:41 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: mrsmel

“They’re going to have to build new jails. Nobody I know is signing up for CommieCare, nor do we plan to pay any unconstitutional fines for not buying it.”

Last night on our local news I saw the mayor of the city of Elizabeth NJ addressing a number of (mostly black) residents at a meeting to steer them to the exchange. I was struck by the absence of Elizabeth’s large Hispanic population, and curious as to why the mayor thought any of those in attendance were going to sign up once they were told they’d have to pay. Non-compliance from the right should be the government’s last concern; unassimilated minorities who only recently started joining the workforce will head right back to the dole and un derground economy once they see their earnings robbed to pay for this (they’ll simply opt for the “freebie” health insurance again).


29 posted on 10/08/2013 2:54:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: i88schwartz

It isn’t $95...it’s $95 or 1% of gross income, whichever is LARGER. That isn’t a fine and it isn’t a tax..it’s EXTORTION.


30 posted on 10/08/2013 3:12:54 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: i88schwartz

Didn’t the USSC rule that it’s a tax?


31 posted on 10/08/2013 3:15:07 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: i88schwartz

Dear Spinster Kathleen,

Obviously, you have not been hearing the voice of America.

I direct you to what the alphabetic spelling of the Obamacare telephone number relates.

Have a nice day.


32 posted on 10/08/2013 3:17:03 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: TigersEye

Then they will take it out of your bank account.


33 posted on 10/08/2013 3:17:07 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: i88schwartz

One day Sebelius will pay a penalty. An eternal one.


34 posted on 10/08/2013 3:29:24 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Who am I to judge homosexuals? That's what the Tony Awards are for.)
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To: Old Yeller

I didn’t know this butcher was Catholic...wow.


35 posted on 10/08/2013 3:35:19 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: i88schwartz

The problem with Sebelius’ answer is that it’s a lie - like every thing else about Obamacare. It’s because the insurance companies are no longer allowed to sell the old policies. Insurance policies must now include all of the Obamacare giveaways. This means the policies must now include the cost of coverage for pre-existing conditions, “the pill” for sluts, coverage for 26 year old kids, etc. This is the source of the cost increases. Sure, you can avoid the exchanges by paying the fines, but you can’t avoid the costs!


36 posted on 10/08/2013 3:42:03 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: volunbeer

She’s just admitted the darn thing is Unconstitutional, per Roberts.


37 posted on 10/08/2013 3:57:16 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: savedbygrace

It’s my understanding there is no enforcement allowed by law other than to withhold it from your tax refund. No refund .... no way to collect i.e. the tiger is toothless.


38 posted on 10/08/2013 4:25:39 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: i88schwartz

Just a Chicago thug protection racket. “Nice health coverage you got there. Shame something should happen to it. We can protect you for a small fee.”


39 posted on 10/08/2013 4:28:06 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

I wonder if skipping the divorce and renewing vows with Elvis each year would count?


40 posted on 10/08/2013 4:28:57 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Vendome

Giving them a year to fill any void in there workforce to fill with non-citizens.


41 posted on 10/08/2013 5:20:36 AM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: i88schwartz
For a lot of young folks, there is one fall on the basketball court, one auto accident from a lifetime of hospital bills they can't pay.

Wait a minute, Kathleen...

Isn't one of the provisions of Obamacare that it pays for pre-existing conditions"? If that is true, why can't I wait to sign up when I fall, have an accident or have a stroke?

42 posted on 10/08/2013 6:49:24 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: i88schwartz

That’s mighty affordable of them.


43 posted on 10/08/2013 6:59:02 AM PDT by xp38
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To: savedbygrace
a) I don't have a bank account.

b) According to the law the IRS can only take it from a refund they owe you.

44 posted on 10/08/2013 1:28:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: conservative98; AllAmericanGirl44

To quote The Great One, “I hope there’s a million people like you.”


45 posted on 10/08/2013 7:33:23 PM PDT by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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