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Genetic Roots of Ashkenazi Jews
The Scientist ^ | 10/8/13 | Kate Yandell

Posted on 10/08/2013 11:57:29 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck

The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe.

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Interesting. The study seems to suggest that most European Jews are paternally descended from Israelites and maternally descended from European converts (presumably taken as wives by Jews in the Roman Empire).

I suppose that explains why you see some Jews with very "European" features and others with very Middle Eastern features. It also explains why so many movies cast Italian actors as Jewish characters, and vice-versa!

1 posted on 10/08/2013 11:57:29 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Sadly, I always get asked if I am arab.

French/German/Polish Jews in background. Cohen haplotype.

(And I am thinking to the people who ask me if I am arab, “Really, see the little round hat in the back. The suit?)


2 posted on 10/08/2013 12:01:09 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: ek_hornbeck
I have read that Ashkenazi Jews have a much higher frequency of above genius level IQ than any other group of people on earth.
3 posted on 10/08/2013 12:08:14 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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4 posted on 10/08/2013 12:09:18 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: SMARTY

I seem to also remember that Ashkenazi Jews had the highest IQs of any group on the planet.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 12:11:09 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: SunkenCiv

ping.


6 posted on 10/08/2013 12:13:20 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Jewbacca

Maybe they just assume that anyone with a long, dark beard is an Arab. Like the idiots who attack Sikhs for being “Muslim terrorists.”


7 posted on 10/08/2013 12:13:38 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Jewbacca
The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women.....

Jewish men dating shiksas. So what this is new?.............

8 posted on 10/08/2013 12:13:56 PM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: Jewbacca
(And I am thinking to the people who ask me if I am arab, “Really, see the little round hat in the back. The suit?)

(No sarcasm here.) Please educate my misconception, then.

To my current way of thinking, Arab is a general type of ethnic group, and Jews come from many different ethnic groups.

For instance, I used to get my hair cut by a Jewish lady from Iran. (Yes, I know, Iranian IS NOT Arab, but I'm talking about the general concept here, not the particulars.) She seemed both Jewish and Iranian.

9 posted on 10/08/2013 12:16:47 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: Red Badger

I’d be interested in looking at the genetics of (Christian) southern Europeans in general, especially Greeks and Italians. You’d probably find an interesting mix of characteristic European haplotypes and Middle Eastern ones (thanks to Phoenicians/Carthaginians/Moors, etc). You certainly see it in the people: I’ve known some people from Sicily and Naples who look like Vikings and others who look like Arabs.


10 posted on 10/08/2013 12:17:37 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Red Badger
prehistoric European women

As in Wilma Flintstone and Betty Rubble.
11 posted on 10/08/2013 12:18:05 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Should be approached with caution as these claims seem to contradict numerous past DNA studies, but this would lend credence to some indications that as much as 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish or converts to Judaism.


12 posted on 10/08/2013 12:18:16 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: Jewbacca

I knew a Japanese-American fellow that was always being mistaken for Mexican.


13 posted on 10/08/2013 12:18:34 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

The true genetic descendants of the Jews are the Palestinians.


14 posted on 10/08/2013 12:20:38 PM PDT by not2be4gotten.com
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To: Jewbacca
Really, see the little round hat in the back

Believe it or not sometimes that little round hat is kind of hard to see - black on black hair.

15 posted on 10/08/2013 12:21:18 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: DManA
I knew a Japanese-American fellow that was always being mistaken for Mexican.

I can't imagine mistaking a Japanese person for a Mexican. However, on a vacation in northern Minnesota, my first, thoughtless reaction on seeing Ojibwe Indians everywhere was "why are there so many Mexicans in northern Minnesota?" Since most Mexicans have more American Indian than European blood, I guess it's an easy mistake to make.

16 posted on 10/08/2013 12:21:23 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

I can recall being intrigued by how many of the world’s most brilliant physicists were Hungarian Jews from Budapest.

It just about has to be genetics.


17 posted on 10/08/2013 12:22:26 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: hlmencken3
Should be approached with caution as these claims seem to contradict numerous past DNA studies, but this would lend credence to some indications that as much as 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish or converts to Judaism.

Which historians have claimed a number that high? I do remember reading that Judaism was much more active in seeking converts in ancient times than in Medieval or recent history, so it would make sense that many modern Jews are descended from converts.

18 posted on 10/08/2013 12:23:06 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: SMARTY; Eleutheria5; Jewbacca

SMARTY wrote: “I have read that Ashkenazi Jews have a much higher frequency of above genius level IQ than any other group of people on earth”.

As an Ashkenazi Jew I can confirm this!

(though my wife disagrees)...


19 posted on 10/08/2013 12:23:09 PM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: ek_hornbeck
It also explains why so many movies cast Italian actors as Jewish characters, and vice-versa!

Not to mention how, in large American cities in the early 20th century, the Italian "ghetto" and the Jewish "ghetto" always seemed to be near each other.

20 posted on 10/08/2013 12:23:38 PM PDT by ssaftler (Obama speaking is like the Fat Lady warming up: "Me Me Me Me Meeee")
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To: ek_hornbeck

Part of the reason was this guy was a little bit pudgy, not part of the Japanese stereotype, And the pudginess of his face kind of effected his eyes. Never fooled me but I could see how someone not paying close attention might make the mistake.


21 posted on 10/08/2013 12:24:53 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: DManA

effected = affected. (I know the difference grammar Nazis.)


22 posted on 10/08/2013 12:26:10 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

We’re ALL mutts......................


23 posted on 10/08/2013 12:26:12 PM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: Yehuda
(though my wife disagrees)...

Why do Jewish men die so much earlier than their wives............. Because they want to................Jackie Mason..........OY!............

24 posted on 10/08/2013 12:28:20 PM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: DManA

I used to work with a guy name Ishi. He was around 6’3” and I always thought he was Eastern European. One day he mentioned that he was Japanese.

I immediately realized that he did look Japanese but assumed he was maybe half. He said no, he was full blooded.


25 posted on 10/08/2013 12:28:25 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: ek_hornbeck
I’ve known some people from Sicily and Naples who look like Vikings and others who look like Arabs.

Sometimes in the same family!

There's an Italian religious festival in Williamburg, Brooklyn that uses a local resident to portray a character known as "The Turk." He wears an outlandish turban and brandishes a sword from a boat carried on the shoulders of about 100 men. (Yours truly performed this service on 1 occasion over 15 yrs. ago.)

The honor of playing "The Turk" usually goes to a guy with black hair, beard, and eyes and the most extreme aquiline nose. Apparently they have no trouble finding a parish member who possesses these characteristics.

26 posted on 10/08/2013 12:28:38 PM PDT by Oratam (Thank you St. Jude!)
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To: Yossarian

“Arab is a general type of ethnic group, and Jews come from many different ethnic groups.”

Yes, and I have not been genetically linked with the arab ethnic group since roughly the time of Abraham.


27 posted on 10/08/2013 12:29:13 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: attiladhun2

28 posted on 10/08/2013 12:29:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: yarddog

I have read there is a tribe in N. Japan that look almost Caucasian.


29 posted on 10/08/2013 12:29:45 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

A friend in Columbia Missouri I always thought was of Japanese ancestry told me his mother was from Alaska (as in native Indian)


30 posted on 10/08/2013 12:30:12 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: ek_hornbeck

It explains the various features seen among us. Halachically speaking, they are most certainly Jews, and a part of the Jewish people.


31 posted on 10/08/2013 12:30:38 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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To: Red Badger

I am a purebred Son of Adam.


32 posted on 10/08/2013 12:31:01 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: DManA
I have read there is a tribe in N. Japan that look almost Caucasian.

You're thinking of the Ainu People. For a long time, it was assumed that the Ainus were descended from Caucasians who migrated to Japan. Recent genetic studies have shown that they're closely related to Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese, and that their European-like features (round eyes, light complexion, extensive facial and body hair) are a case of accidental convergence.

33 posted on 10/08/2013 12:32:32 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: DManA

My wife calls me a Son of, but it ain’t Adam.......................


34 posted on 10/08/2013 12:33:17 PM PDT by Red Badger (TANSTAAFL always wins. Always...........................)
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To: ek_hornbeck
Interesting. The study seems to suggest that most European Jews are paternally descended from Israelites and maternally descended from European converts (presumably taken as wives by Jews in the Roman Empire).

Since "Jewishness" is transmitted along the maternal line, this could get complicated.

35 posted on 10/08/2013 12:34:19 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Yossarian
To my current way of thinking, Arab is a general type of ethnic group,

Not really. They're united by a common language and culture, but "Arabs" are made up of genetically very different people. A Saudi Arab doesn't look very much like an Arab from Lebanon or from Libya, for instance.

36 posted on 10/08/2013 12:34:44 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: yarddog
The Japanese have various groups. Perhaps the persons seen had Ainu decesndents.

As ya can see. Comes in all shapes.

37 posted on 10/08/2013 12:35:12 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: PapaBear3625

If the women converted, does it matter?


38 posted on 10/08/2013 12:35:35 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Judaism always passes from the female.


39 posted on 10/08/2013 12:40:09 PM PDT by seeker41 (take your country back by whatever means necessary)
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To: ek_hornbeck

It doesn’t.

And it also makes sense that there were historically more female converts to Judaism, given the nature of a male conversion later-in-life being somewhat traumatic back in the day.


40 posted on 10/08/2013 12:42:14 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
You have the greatest name ever.
41 posted on 10/08/2013 12:42:40 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: ek_hornbeck

The source usually cited is Syrian Bishop Bar-Hebraeus, who was citing now-lost source material from a census in the time of Claudius.

This figure is usually dismissed as impossible, but might refer to semi-converts who gave up Roman beliefs for Jewish ones but did not become official converts to Judaism.

This new study may be yet another interpretation for an unusually large number of Jews in Roman times.


42 posted on 10/08/2013 12:43:42 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: Jewbacca

LOL. Reminds me a a good friend I had in Houston, TX who was from Australia. Texans were always trying to guess her accent. First guess was usually England; second guess was always New York! LOL.


43 posted on 10/08/2013 12:47:32 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: not2be4gotten.com

There are no such people as “Palestinians” nor a land “Palestine”. That is a name given to the JEWISH people by the Romans when they sacked the 2nd Temple and Jerusalem. They gave it to the Jews as an insult and a way of distancing Jews from their land and nationhood- not unlike what the arabs are attempting to do today.

The name is actually Greek. Are the arabs Greek? No, they are not. The letter “P” is not even in the Arabic language. There are no “Palestinian” archeological artifacts, coinage, government, language or culture. It is all Hebrew and Jewish.

But, here is the truth by their own lips:

PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein made one such statement to the Dutch newspaper, Trouw, in March 5,1977. He said:

“The Palestinian people does not [sic.] exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.”

On September 13, 1993, the same day Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin signed the “Declaration of Principles” embodying those ideals for which he would later get the Nobel Prize, he explained his motives on Lebanese TV:

“Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

The true “genetic descendants” of the Jews are JEWS. You can try to revise all you want, but you can NEVER defeat or change such a well documented, known, and recognized history.


44 posted on 10/08/2013 12:49:17 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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To: ek_hornbeck
I’ve known some people from Sicily and Naples who look like Vikings and others who look like Arabs.

And others who have African features.

45 posted on 10/08/2013 12:49:37 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ek_hornbeck
Yes, I believe I read that too.

are a case of accidental convergence.

One hot theory about the Ainu is that their distant ancestors, 15,000 years ago followed the arctic shore line for generations and ended up populating the Americas.

46 posted on 10/08/2013 12:52:45 PM PDT by DManA (.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

I used to love passing along ethnic jokes, when we still had a since of humor. So, I’d tell people I’m Cherokee/Norwegian and, as such, am allowed to tell them.

I’d love to know my DNA, but don’t want to get booked and sent to prison, for the privilege. It’s just too expensive for us peons.


47 posted on 10/08/2013 12:53:15 PM PDT by wizr (We are "one Nation, under God " or "one nation, trod under ". Keep the Faith.)
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To: SMARTY

That may explain the stereotype that Jews are so miserable. Smart people aren’t the happiest people around.


48 posted on 10/08/2013 12:57:59 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: ek_hornbeck

funny, for some reason i thought the orthodox frowned on converts


49 posted on 10/08/2013 12:59:23 PM PDT by stonewall_jackson215
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To: Boogieman
That may explain the stereotype that Jews are so miserable. Smart people aren’t the happiest people around.

I've always thought that Jewish intellectuals picked up their angst from gentile Europeans. If you want dark and brooding, try much of the literature, music, and philosophy from Germany, the Scandinavian countries, and Russia.

That being said, you may have a point. It's certainly true that the happiest people I know are also some of the most stupid.

50 posted on 10/08/2013 1:01:27 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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