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Posted on 10/16/2013 6:56:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
Edited on 10/16/2013 7:00:41 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
If Boehner is still Speaker on January 1st, the GOP will die in 2014. Period.
I wonder when you “conservatives” will finally wake up? Important things to note:
1. There is NO Dem and Rep party...they both obey the Money Printers
2. There are no longer enough “conservatives”, by themselves, to fight the Statists, the media, and most important the cultural and demographic shift in this country!
3. As in all wars (Read Sun Su)- if you’re out numbered...GET ALLIES! These would be those whom you’d least expect- i.e. Look to your “left”...you don’t give up your principles! You agree to fight ONE THING together- only! A common foe! Remember that the greatest alliances consisted of three entities. In this case: Conservatives(tea party), Libertarians, and “some” on the Left (OWS)!
4. Your target- the U.S. dollar- they’ve been using it against you for 42 Years and you don’t know why “The State” continues to grow relentlessly- regardless to who is in power (R/D)! DEMAND an Alternative to US Dollar-backed something real like gold/silver!
So long as the State has UNLIMITED access to the Money Printers there will NEVER be “smaller government”! Now go out and organize around that- forget everything else (noise) and....GO, Go, Go, go! “They” began destroying the US Dollar on their terms....we must end it on ours!
Same here, I’m so pissed no more republicans. I will vote for the candidate who respects and obeys the US Constitution and no more voting for the lesser evil.
How about O-BoehnerCare?
Yep... we have two Senators that are exactly as you say and they are gone their next election.
Very true!
The GOPe is toast!
Our Constitution assumes that votes on complex issues will be preceded by negotiations, but there is no Constitutional requirement for our legislature to “negotiate” in good faith. Or otherwise. How could there be?
I am very interested to learn what you mean by your phrase “...won’t fight an engaged battle...” and your phrase “There NEVER was a real battle over Obamacare in the CR.”
I am referring to political battles. McConnell preemptively surrender on cloture and dumped everything on the House. Boehner passed some bills but he did not keep his troops in line or focus his message on the Dems until it was too late. POTUS threatened default several times. Boehner did NOTHING.
I expect the GOP to fight like Dems for our constitutional rights. That means smacking Reid over the head with the Vitter amendment until he cries uncle. That means actually fighting for an individual mandate delay in any deal. Asking for it in negotiations and going radio silent isn’t good enough. That’s not fighting to win. If the Dems refuse then smack them with some populism relentlessly. Lip service isn’t good enough.
Obama sold the ACA as a $900 billion program. It’s now $1.8 trillion or whatever. The House has every right to put the breaks on a program that grossly over budget. They had/have no intention of doing so.
The SELL OUT was negotiated long before now, the only problem the RINO’s and liberal socialist had was how to get the “conservatives” (Tea Party) Republicans to swallow it!
Yep. The reason the beltway GOP is so PO’d right now is that conservatives finally stood up and interrupted the choreographed dance.
Thanks Boner!
OK then, here’s the new battleground:
Government closure “crisis” in a few months.
Debt limit ceiling “crisis” in a few months.
Budget “talks” to be “held” in the meantime as a way to lull Republicans into thinking that “progress” is being made.
Just WHAT should our GOP leaders do NOW?
To “prepare” the battlefield....
To mobilize the people in advance of the battle —
— without any help at all from the newspimps...
Hmmmm...?
How about a Website that presents every ObamaCare horror story we see? Thousands and thousands of failures...
How about a commercial with an actor who looks like Harry Reid and an actress who looks like Nancy Pelosi laughing and laughing about how the “stupid kids” who voted for them will be so over-taxed by Obamacare, that they will never be able to afford to buy a house or even a “new” car?
“Ha-ha! The kids killed their own American Dreams, all by themselves! Stupid kids! But “loyal Democrats! Ha-ha!”
What else should be done to persuade the majority of Americans that there is something rotten in the Spite House?
OK then, here’s the new battleground:
Government closure “crisis” in a few months.
Debt limit ceiling “crisis” in a few months.
Budget “talks” to be “held” in the meantime as a way to lull Republicans into thinking that “progress” is being made.
Just WHAT should our GOP leaders do NOW?
To “prepare” the battlefield....
To mobilize the people in advance of the battle —
— without any help at all from the newspimps...
Hmmmm...?
How about a Website that presents every ObamaCare horror story we see? Thousands and thousands of failures...
How about a commercial with an actor who looks like Harry Reid and an actress who looks like Nancy Pelosi laughing and laughing about how the “stupid kids” who voted for them will be so over-taxed by Obamacare, that they will never be able to afford to buy a house or even a “new” car?
“Ha-ha! The kids killed their own American Dreams, all by themselves! Stupid kids! But “loyal Democrats! Ha-ha!”
What else should be done to persuade the majority of Americans that there is something rotten in the Spite House?
You people seriously are delusional. This was not a winning strategy for us, polls showed that we were losing despite Obama’s crappy ratings as well (and the tide was turning even more against us the longer the shutdown lasted).
I don’t like it, but there just was no strategic way to win this situation, when we only have one house of government and the president can very simply say the House is holding things up.
I was optimistic, but this played out pretty much just like the president predicted, as well as the GOP voices who cautioned against a shutdown.
Victory was simply impossible. Sure, he MAY have (and even that’s doubtful) caved after January or so. But, by that point, there is no doubt we would have had a credit downgrade etc., and that’s not something you should want to get political advantage over.
Boner is my rep here in ohio and I’ve already contacted his office with my disgust on his caving and this deal. I’m done with this idiot with no balls. Also contacted the RNC and gave them my disgust and that they lost my 26 years of support. I’m done watching them cater to wacko leftist and not stand up to them. Thats why we have this mess in america now.
I’m also in OH, and pretty much done with the OH GOP state and federal. I don’t believe any of our reps have done anything noteworthy, with the possible exception of Jim Jordan. But I’m in Chabots district and he’s big buddies with Boehner, and unless he comes out with a public statement that he is mounting a coup to overturn Boehner, he doesn’t get my vote either.
defeatist attitude right there. spending bills originate in the house. All Boehner had to do was continuously send over to the senate CR bills, or budget bills funding the entire government-obamacare.
But that would have meant having a speaker with at least one testicle.
Not by the base. Enough energy was created by Ted Cruz to make the potential penalties for the second-string liberal party in Washington rather unpleasant.
How can McConnell believe he has unanimous consent, if Cruz and Lee are saying they will hold fast and object?
What did he say? Why is he not holding his ground?
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