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W.Va. Guard, DOD at odds over same-sex marriage
wvgazette.com ^ | November 01, 2013 | David Gutman

Posted on 11/01/2013 9:36:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- The spouses of gay and lesbian National Guard members cannot get military ID cards at most National Guard locations in West Virginia, which U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says is a violation of federal law.

The ID cards are necessary to get benefits, such as health care, that all military spouses are entitled to.

The West Virginia National Guard issues ID cards at nine locations across the state, according to its website. Four of those locations -- the four run by the federal government -- are issuing ID cards to same-sex spouses. However, the five state-run facilities are not issuing ID cards to same-sex spouses because of an interpretation of state law.

West Virginia law does not recognize same-sex marriages from other states.

"The problem is the law on the books, West Virginia's law," said Lawrence Messina, spokesman for the state Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety. "The current legal conclusion is that that law prevents these same-sex couples from being processed. Because they're strictly state facilities, the legal conclusion is they fall under state law."

In a speech at the Anti-Defamation League in New York on Thursday, Hagel said West Virginia's interpretation is in violation of federal law.

"All spouses of service members are entitled to [Department of Defense] ID cards and the benefits that come with them, but several states are refusing to issue these IDs to same-sex spouses at National Guard facilities," Hagel said. "Not only does this violate the states' obligations under federal law, their actions have created hardship and inequality by forcing couples to travel long distances to federal military bases to obtain the ID cards they're entitled to."

Hagel did not mention West Virginia by name, but background information sent to reporters by a senior DOD official said West Virginia is one of nine states Hagel was referring to.

Messina said the National Guard is trying to accommodate federal, as well as state law.

"The policy seeks to meet those directives as best we can, acknowledging the laws that exist in West Virginia," he said.

Messina also said he did not know who made the ultimate decision about the state's policy.

There are 35 states, including West Virginia, that limit marriage to opposite-sex couples, either in their constitutions or in state code. The Defense Department cited only nine of those states for being in violation of its ID-card provisions.

Since Hagel's speech Thursday night, Indiana, one of the nine, has changed its policy and has begun issuing the IDs at all National Guard locations, according to Lt. Cmdr. Nathan Christensen, a Pentagon spokesman.

The DOD twice notified all National Guard locations that they needed to issue ID cards to same-sex spouses, the DOD official said. The first notification was sent June 27, the day after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional. The second was sent Aug. 15.

ID cards were supposed to be available at all processing stations beginning Sept. 3.

In striking down part of the Defense of Marriage Act, the Supreme Court ruled that same-sex couples who are legally married in their states are entitled to federal benefits, like military family benefits, the same as other married couples.

The four federal facilities in West Virginia that are granting ID cards to same-sex spouses are in Charleston, Martinsburg (where there are two) and Sugar Grove. They have processed one application for an ID for a same-sex spouse since Sept. 3, said Lt. Col. Melissa Shade, a Guard spokeswoman.

Shade said the 167th Airlift Wing in Martinsburg processed the ID, but she did not know the date it was processed.

Messina said there have been two other inquiries from service members about ID cards.

One service member at the 130th Airlift Wing in Charleston, also a federally run facility, was not given an ID card, but that was because his or her spouse was not present at the time, as is required.

A service member in the Northern Panhandle was directed to a military base in Pittsburgh for help.

In his speech, Hagel said he was directing the chief of the National Guard Bureau, Gen. James Grass, to meet with adjutant generals from each state where ID cards are being denied.

Grass spoke with Maj. Gen. James Hoyer, adjutant general of the West Virginia National Guard, Friday afternoon. They talked about the situation in West Virginia, but Messina did not know the outcome of the conversation.


TOPICS: US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda

1 posted on 11/01/2013 9:36:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; NFHale
RE :”West Virginia law does not recognize same-sex marriages from other states.
“The problem is the law on the books, West Virginia's law,” said Lawrence Messina, spokesman for the state Department of Military Affairs and Public Safety. “The current legal conclusion is that that law prevents these same-sex couples from being processed. Because they're strictly state facilities, the legal conclusion is they fall under state law

Yep

2 posted on 11/01/2013 9:37:59 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Revolution

rise up


3 posted on 11/01/2013 9:41:32 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Will we have state NG facing down federal troops over this or border security?

We can only hope the a governor has the ba!!$.

4 posted on 11/01/2013 10:36:20 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks for your several postings of this topic, including those you posted after this one.

They indicate that the DoD and other Feds don’t give a damn about States’ rights or their Constitutions.

If Sgt. Chucky wants gays to have IDs for benefits, then the Feds should issue them. They are only trying to force the States to do so to get the camel’s nose under the tent.

Chucky is a miserable DoD head who continues to weaken our military; shutting down bases, trying to change Marine headgear and removing the ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ patch from the SEALS. He’s a disgrace.


5 posted on 11/01/2013 11:24:51 PM PDT by octex
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Mercy, much worse is going on within the Military training and you are worried about this. Our freedoms are at stake.

Really, get onto much more important subjects and it will possibly bring more folks into the realm of knowledge.

Sounds like a movie to me...heh.


6 posted on 11/01/2013 11:54:55 PM PDT by Deagle (m)
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To: sickoflibs; All
Because they're strictly state facilities, the legal conclusion is they fall under state law”

Thanks to the corrupt media distorting the Supreme Court's decision on DOMA, pro-same sex marriage activists are ignoring that Section 2 of DOMA is still in effect. Section 2 reflects 10th Amendment-protected state power to discriminate on the basis of sex with respect to marriage.

Section 2. Powers reserved to the states

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

Note that the only sex-related right that the states have amended the Constitution to expressly protect is voting rights, evidenced by the 19th Amendment.

7 posted on 11/02/2013 12:33:34 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: stylecouncilor

SC holding the line too.


8 posted on 11/02/2013 7:13:09 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“All spouses of service members are entitled to [Department of Defense] ID cards and the benefits that come with them, but several states are refusing to issue these IDs to same-sex spouses at National Guard facilities,” Hagel said. “Not only does this violate the states’ obligations under federal law, their actions have created hardship and inequality by forcing couples to travel long distances to federal military bases to obtain the ID cards they’re entitled to.”


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9 posted on 11/02/2013 7:16:35 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation sucks.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The spouses of gay and lesbian National Guard members cannot get military ID cards at most National Guard locations in West Virginia, which U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel says is a violation of federal law.

If and when the West Virginia guard is called into federal service then it might be a violation of federal law. Until then the national guard is under the control of state authorities and comply with state law. And if that means gay marriage or civil unions aren't recognized then that's the end of that.

10 posted on 11/02/2013 7:24:47 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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