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How Free Trade Is Killing Middle America
The American Conservative ^ | Jan. 24, 2014 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 01/24/2014 6:36:50 AM PST by 1rudeboy

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To: central_va
"So you don’t know the answer yet you’re an expert. So who is full of it again?"

Well let us see who is an expert.

Now your claim is that unions in the private sector are small so they have no bearing on our economy and the problems with it.

Is this your position.

A yes or no is all that is required.

61 posted on 01/24/2014 8:39:47 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Now your claim is that unions in the private manufacturing sector are small so they have no bearing on our economy and the problems with it.

Fixed. Answer yes.

62 posted on 01/24/2014 8:50:38 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mad Dawgg; central_va

The logical conclusion of Mad Dawgg’s position is to outsource all American manufacturing to really teach those unions a lesson!!!

He would kill the patient to cure a rash.


63 posted on 01/24/2014 8:51:23 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Mad Dawgg; central_va

The logical conclusion of Mad Dawgg’s position is to outsource all American manufacturing to really teach those unions a lesson!!!

He would kill the patient to cure a rash.


64 posted on 01/24/2014 8:51:23 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: Beagle8U

Public sector is over 35% Private is just slightly below 7%...


65 posted on 01/24/2014 8:52:10 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: DannyTN

He is just ignorant and has bought the Free Trade lies. He just needs education and a little common sense.


66 posted on 01/24/2014 8:52:59 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DannyTN

The problem is the US public has been fed so many lies, for instance they think if TV’s were made in the USA they would cost $5,000 apiece. $10.00 screwdrivers etc.


67 posted on 01/24/2014 8:55:52 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

About 10% of US Mfg workers are in a union.


68 posted on 01/24/2014 9:00:41 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Usagi_yo
Well, it’s not like everybody woke up and suddenly decided to outsource Industry. Outsourced industry is a result of hostile business conditions that have systematically forced American Manufacturing to foreign (more importantly, less regulated and taxed) sources.

Chief among them are onerous EPA regulations, onerous Labor relations, high taxation and high cost of serviceable infrastructure. Mostly political reasons as higher government spending and associated costs just force higher and higher taxation.

100% correct!

Question: Why don't those who always say "we need to bring those jobs back home" understand this? These are the reasons why those jobs left in the first place!

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.



69 posted on 01/24/2014 9:02:04 AM PST by rdb3 (Drive for show, putt for dough. No wonder why I stayed broke on the links!)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I know that, I posted it wrong and had to correct it.


70 posted on 01/24/2014 9:03:22 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U
About 10% of US Mfg workers are in a union.

Correct. So 90% of the manufacturing jobs outsourced were non union jobs. We treat our fellow Americans so well all in the name of gloBULLism.....

71 posted on 01/24/2014 9:03:49 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
"Now your claim is that unions in the private manufacturing sector are small so they have no bearing on our economy and the problems with it. Fixed. Answer yes."

OK then please explain the bailout of the Auto industry.

What sort of jobs were supposedly saved by the multibillion dollar Bailout.

I will make it easy for you and give you multiple choice:

A. Private sector manufacturing Union Jobs.

B. Private sector manufacturing Union Jobs.

C. Private sector manufacturing Union Jobs.

Bonus Question: How did this come about?:

A. By using union dues to buy Congressional votes.

B. By using union dues to buy Congressional votes.

C. By using union dues to buy Congressional votes.

Extra Bonus Question: To bailout these private sector union jobs where did they get the money?:

A. Tax payer Dollars

B. Tax Payer Dollars

C. Tax Payer dollars

And finally the super Duper extra special bonus question: "Are you really going to try and continue to tell us that Private Sector Unions have no bearing on our economic problems in the USA?

A. Yes, because you deny reality and can only spread the unionista propaganda because admitting you are wrong would destroy your sense of of self.

B. Yes, because you deny reality and can only spread the unionista propaganda because admitting you are wrong would destroy your sense of of self.

C. Yes, because you deny reality and can only spread the unionista propaganda because admitting you are wrong would destroy your sense of of self.

72 posted on 01/24/2014 9:03:55 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: central_va; 1rudeboy

Is it my imagination or did 1rudeboy post an article critical of free trade to start this thread?


73 posted on 01/24/2014 9:04:48 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: DannyTN
Is it my imagination or did 1rudeboy post an article critical of free trade to start this thread?

Yes he did, but don't read anything special into that. It is just nothing more than hubris.

74 posted on 01/24/2014 9:07:56 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

” So 90% of the manufacturing jobs outsourced were non union jobs.”

Huh? How did you jump from the fact that today 10% of US Mfg is union, to 90% of off-shored Mfg was nonunion?

Those two are unrelated.


75 posted on 01/24/2014 9:09:23 AM PST by Beagle8U (Unions are Affirmative Action for Slackers! .)
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To: Mad Dawgg

On average how man man hours of labor does it take to make a car? (industry average)


76 posted on 01/24/2014 9:09:27 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DannyTN
"The logical conclusion of Mad Dawgg’s position is to outsource all American manufacturing to really teach those unions a lesson!!!"

No, And I will type the rest slowly so your finger can keep up while you strain to read it.

My position is to stop the Government intervention into the market that caused this crap in the first place.

Hint: Its not to do even more of it like you Unionistas claim will fix the problem that was created by the same crap you propose in the first place!

77 posted on 01/24/2014 9:10:00 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Marx said that free trade would destroy the middle class."

He was dead on the money in that regard. Where he went wrong was claiming that would be a good thing for society.
78 posted on 01/24/2014 9:11:21 AM PST by CowboyJay (Cruz'-ing in 2016!)
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To: rdb3; Usagi_yo; central_va
You could remove all US regulations and all US taxes and we still wouldn't be competitive against Chinese labor rates.

Our regulatory environment may be more hostile to business, but as the article points out, the Chinese building that crushed 1200 workers could have never been built under US building codes. Some of our regs and "hostile environment" are good things.

The question is really whether or not we want to let third world economies dictate the US wage rate. If we don't then we need to protect our market.

It's not like there is an equal exchange of trade goods. There is one consumer market in play here, ours. Letting third world labor compete for our market without enforcing an equal exchange of trade goods is national suicide.

79 posted on 01/24/2014 9:12:16 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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To: rdb3; Usagi_yo; central_va
You could remove all US regulations and all US taxes and we still wouldn't be competitive against Chinese labor rates.

Our regulatory environment may be more hostile to business, but as the article points out, the Chinese building that crushed 1200 workers could have never been built under US building codes. Some of our regs and "hostile environment" are good things.

The question is really whether or not we want to let third world economies dictate the US wage rate. If we don't then we need to protect our market.

It's not like there is an equal exchange of trade goods. There is one consumer market in play here, ours. Letting third world labor compete for our market without enforcing an equal exchange of trade goods is national suicide.

80 posted on 01/24/2014 9:12:16 AM PST by DannyTN (A>)
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