Olympics-Gay rights protesters detained in Russia as Games start

http://sports.yahoo.com/ ^ | 02/08/2014 | Reuters

[massmike]

Russian police detained gay rights activists who tried to protest on Moscow's Red Square and in St Petersburg on Friday, shortly before Vladimir Putin opened the Sochi Winter Olympics, gay rights activists said.

Police in Moscow and St Petersburg did not immediately comment on the reports by the gay activists, who said 10 protesters were detained in Moscow and four in Russia's second city.

A list posted by one rights activist on Facebook said two of those detained in Moscow were women from Sweden.

In St Petersburg, the protesters were detained after unfurling a banner declaring "Discrimination is incompatible with the Olympic Movement", gay rights group All Out said.

[FluffyTexan]

I'm not suggesting that what they did wasn't strident or was somehow helpful for them. I'm saying that states are not entitled to the silence of human beings when they violate basic human rights e.g. free speech. Autocrats that violate human rights can and should be challenged by everyone possible in every forum possible. Limiting a human right is offensive to me as a human being not simply as an American. They deserve to be challenged inside and out - by citizens and non-citizens.

*blush* Riot should have restricted their protests to public spaces and not violated the religious worship of others.

[CatherineofAragon]

"Raising a sign and a voice is a basic human right no matter how much I disagree with the opinion. Just because I support the right to speak doesn’t mean I’m logically compelled to support what a person is speaking about. This goes for any issue. This is foundational"

Coprophilic perverts do not have the right to push their sickness on society. That is not foundational, nor has it ever been. Unfortunately, this country has devolved to the point where people BELIEVE they do have those rights.

[dfwgator]

Coprophilic perverts do not have the right to push their sickness on society.

Especially when those perverts are foreigners.

[CatherineofAragon]

"Especially when those perverts are foreigners."

Exactly

[FluffyTexan]

Selling child pornography is not redress of government or agitation for reform. I'm not even sure an argument could be made that purveying it is political speech rather than abusive action. An ideological pedophile is not a concept I can understand even in a hypothetical. I guess you could try but I'm not sure you'll succeed.

As far as the rest... They are seeking laws to be changed. We should resist that change. We should say “No!” at every opportunity. We should raise our children to understand why we reject these things and why they should as well. We should feel free to vote with our feet anywhere they succeed.

I don't think we should make it illegal to express their opinion and say what laws they think should change. Bill me as a Nmbla (sp?) supporter instead of a free speech absolutist but know that I'm really supporting speech.

[FluffyTexan]

I'm not saying they have the right to push their sickness on anyone. I'm saying they have the right to campaign for laws to be changed. Let's also be honest that most of the nearly half the population that supports same-sex marriage in polls isn't gay. They can't be. They are straight men and women who sincerely believe it is moral and proper that gay men should be allowed to marry. It's not the job of the state to shut down and prevent these debate in public fora.

[little jeremiah]

Government either allows homosexual agenda propaganda and open homosexual behavior, or it forbids the same.

Those are the only two alternatives.

Unless you’re one of the “Let’s have no government” anarchists.

[little jeremiah]

Why should people practicing depraved, mentally sick, immoral, filthy and disease causing sexual perversion have any right to promote it?

I see no reason.

Should people be able to promote bestiality? Pedophilia? Incest? Please answer, this is not a rhetorical question.

[JPX2011]

Before there are constitutional principles there are first principles. The advocacy of things that run contrary to the natural law should not be countenanced, on their face. Now, if one takes a relativist position then they are unable to make such distinctions. The Constitution is not the end all be all of Truth and it certainly isn’t a suicide pact.

[NittanyLion]

“Unless you’re one of the “Let’s have no government” anarchists”

So the only choices are total suppression or total anarchy? Sorry, I don’t respond to logical fallacies.

[little jeremiah]

Raising a sign and a voice is a basic human right no matter how much I disagree with the opinion.

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Please answer my question:

SHould those supporting changing laws against pedophilia, bestiality, and incest also have the right to push their agendas?

yes

or

no

Please state your position clearly so we all know where you stand.

[little jeremiah]

So you dodge the question.

Amazing the faggotry supporters on this thread.

[CatherineofAragon]

"I'm not saying they have the right to push their sickness on anyone."

What do you think they are campaigning FOR?

" I'm saying they have the right to campaign for laws to be changed. "

That's up to Russia.

[little jeremiah]

They raised a sign and a voice. If society can’t cope with that then it has other problems causing collapse.

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And by doing so they violated Russian law.

“Human rights” without the illumination of moral and natural law become perverted reflections of real human rights.

[dfwgator]

They raised a sign and a voice.

They were foreigners interfering in Russian internal matters.

[Balding_Eagle]

Mind if I jump in?

The answer to your direct question is Yes, if is far less dangerous to our society to allow total free speech.

A 70 plus year experiment which included, among other things, a crackdown on speech by authorities, ended badly, with tens of millions being killed.

[CatherineofAragon]

"Let's also be honest that most of the nearly half the population that supports same-sex marriage in polls isn't gay. They can't be. They are straight men and women who sincerely believe it is moral and proper that gay men should be allowed to marry. "

And how did that come about? It began when the door was cracked open just far enough to allow sex perverts to start portraying themselves as victims who deserve special "rights". From then on, the propaganda campaign kicked into gear, and now the brainwashing is practically complete. So much so that, tragically, adults with supposed functioning brains actually believe two men abusing one another's filthy anal area can be called "marriage."

[trisham]

I’ve already said I’m not sure what else could be done. However, I don’t believe sitting silent while others excuse and apologize for it accomplishes anything good.

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So it's not really those poor people in Russia that concern you, rather, your concern is that not everyone on this thread agrees with you.

[Vaduz]

Gay rights group is like having a Mafia rights group more hotel California facilities are required to keep the public safe.

[FluffyTexan]

I can see you’re agitated by the triple responses. Lol.

People have the right to redress states to change any and all laws. Any and all. No matter how immoral, stupid, vain, or foolish I or anyone else finds the idea. I believe that that speech is a human right. What they are campaigning for may not be a human right but that speech aiming to change the law is.