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Vietnam media: Navy confirms flight MH370 crashed into the sea [disputed account]
YAHOO ^ | 3/8/14 | Yahoo Newsroom

Posted on 03/07/2014 9:28:46 PM PST by barmag25

UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.

When contacted, Malaysia Airlines declined to confirm or deny the reports, saying that the Malaysian authorities are working together with the Vietnamese government on the matter.

Meanwhile, Al Jazeera reports that China has dispatched two maritime rescue ships to help locate the missing plane.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airlines; aljazeera; china; iran; malaysia; maritime; mh370; ngovanphat; oilrig; oilrigworker; phuquocisland; planecrash; region5; rescue; shotdownbychinese; southchinasea; tuoitre; vietnam; vungtau; waronterror
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To: milagro

A marine biologist on airliners.net is suggesting that the “oil slicks” might not be fuel at all but a cyanobacterium common in the gulf of Thailand this time of year. If so, still no plane...


141 posted on 03/08/2014 8:45:48 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: bigdaddy45

It’ called an opinion bigdaddy...which I believe I plainly stated.

The basis for that “opinion,” bigdaddy, is reports that the aircraft’s transponder, while still communicating, indicated that the aircraft dropped precipitously, over a 600 ft., in a few seconds, and veered sharply off course. Then...went dead completely, before any voice communications could be heard.

I watched them talk about this on Fox News late last night.

Having been involved earlier in my career with aircraft design at Vought Aeronautics, and knowing about the 777’s excellent redundancy, safety record, and design...and also knowing that mid flight at 35,000 feet is far and away statistically the safest part of the flight (ie no landing or take-off stresses, no flocks of geese that high, etc.), it is clear to me that there was a catastrophic failure of the aircraft which happened so fast that the crew was unable to transmit any warning or indication of it. Which is what that transponder report also indicated.

So, that failure was either induced from something other than the aircraft (ie. explosion, gross pilot error, etc) or induced as a result of the aircraft itself failing.

Since this aircraft had so few hours on it, and since the 777 has been designed and built the way it has with an excellent safety record...I arrived at my “opinion,” bigdaddy, that it was most likely an external cause.

And, if that is the case, again, in my “opinion,” bigdaddy, the most likely cause would be terrorism in this day and age.

So, that is how I arrived at my OPINION...bigdaddy.

You can have whatever opinion you wish, or none if it suits you.

Whatever the various opinions, I readily admit that we will all wait for a final determination. Capiche?

Have a great day.

America at the Crossroads of History
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


142 posted on 03/08/2014 8:51:59 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: punchamullah
However, in the case of a catastrophic disintegration, the debris field would be huge.

Don't the black boxes send out some sort of beacon when they hit water?

143 posted on 03/08/2014 8:53:22 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: All

It might be a good idea for anybody to check marine traffic .com and see if there are a few ships in the area.


144 posted on 03/08/2014 8:53:27 AM PST by barmag25 (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!!!)
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To: milagro

That would seem to make sense.

IF(and I’m not entirely confident in the Vietnamese officials that we are all seemingly relying on for info) it turns out to be accurate information that the oil/fuel slicks are 6-10 miles long and parallel roughly 500 meters apart, that would seem to suggest the airplane was losing fuel/oil while still in the air.

What that ultimately means I don’t know. There’s still so many possibilities.


145 posted on 03/08/2014 8:54:15 AM PST by fiftymegaton (God Bless and Protect America)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

regardless of the cause of this tragedy,do you think CNN and MSNBC will blame it on ????hmm? hey,didn’t they blame the Ukraine Crisis on Bush?(uh,when did Bush leave office?)


146 posted on 03/08/2014 9:01:25 AM PST by Cruz_West_Paul2016
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To: Cementjungle

Yes. And the Vietnamese have already indicated as much I believe.

At this point, the Chinese, the Malaysians, the Philippines, and the Vietnamese are all sending vessels and aircraft to do the search.

The South China Sea is fairly expansive, but mostly not too deep. I believe thee weather was not bad and if it remains that way, they will begin finding more debris soon.

If there was a catastrophic failure at that altitude (and I believe current evidence points to that), as one poster indicated, the debris field is going to be large. but the black boxes for avionics and the cockpit voice recorder were designed to survive such things an when those are found, the investigators will be able to determine with fair certainty what caused the crash.

Condolensces to all of the families, friends, and loved ones of the deceased...and may God rest the departed.


147 posted on 03/08/2014 9:01:35 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
This is why it's very important we recover the black boxes and look at the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder data.

I'd start to suspect possible criminal acts if both the CVR and FDR suddenly stops recording data--like what happened to Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988. If the CVR and FDR continue to record data up till time of crash, then we have to consider some sort of mechanical failure.

148 posted on 03/08/2014 9:09:53 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: virgil
Or maybe it was accidently shot down. There’s been a lot of tension in that area with China, Vietnam, PI, over territorial waters.

There was an asian missile launch in the vicinity of a plane earlier this week.

Passenger jet passed through trajectory of N. Korean rocket, South Korea says (By Jethro Mullen and Paula Hancocks, CNN updated 7:53 AM EST, Thu March 6, 2014)

149 posted on 03/08/2014 9:11:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The Texas judge's decision was to pave the way for same sex divorce for two Massachusetts women.)
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To: longfellowsmuse
These are the reported "oil slicks."
150 posted on 03/08/2014 9:11:37 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: fiftymegaton
Interesting--thanks for that info. Also for the poster who pointed out that the oil slicks might be common in that area this time of the year, caused by algae, not jet fuel.

Still, hard to figure out why such a well-built plane with a good track record, flown by a VERY experienced pilot (31 years), would suddenly seem to just drop out of the sky!

151 posted on 03/08/2014 9:17:17 AM PST by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: barmag25

Depth of the Gulf of Thailand is pretty shallow. Recovery in that area should be doable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Thailand


152 posted on 03/08/2014 9:37:34 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: fiftymegaton; tcrlaf

Not a problem...the black box does have a beacon...a pinger of sorts, for underwater recovery. Air France 447’s was found. They are tough pieces of gear, and store all parameters of the flight. Too much info for a burst.

That said, even if the technology develops enough to have a thorough burst transmission, the outcome remains the same...speculation, lamestream media experts, and search and recovery.


153 posted on 03/08/2014 9:38:31 AM PST by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: RummyChick
There may have been TWO people on that flight traveling on stolen passports. One could be a coincidence, two probably not.

http://news.yahoo.com/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing-stolen-passports-raise-suspicions-164600315.html;_ylt=AwrTccgjVxtTIUgAuJAPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsOXB2YTRjBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkAw--

154 posted on 03/08/2014 9:47:06 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: volunbeer
Just watch and observe. I bet someone will connect this to the mysterious contrail off the west coast, Michelle Obama’s new hair color, Ron Brown and Arkancide, the shortage of .22 ammo, and a host of unrelated incidents.

George Bush.

155 posted on 03/08/2014 9:52:33 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Jeff Head

I’m more inclined to think catastrophic mechanical failure and crew reaction. Rudder hard over, uncommanded flap deployment or something like that..


156 posted on 03/08/2014 9:53:55 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: cardinal4

I do not deny that that could be the case. However, whatever happened in those final seconds, the crew did not have time to broadcast anything that was heard before all of those systems failed.

As I said from the beginning, it is purely my opinion based on the data available at the current time.

At some point they are going to get those black boxes and when and if they do, they will tell the tale.


157 posted on 03/08/2014 10:00:00 AM PST by Jeff Head
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To: barmag25

It’s a death wish to get on an airplane with pilots with the names of Shah and Fariq. I’m not saying they crashed the plane. But I still would fly with them.


158 posted on 03/08/2014 10:02:14 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: doc1019

If it was one of the pilots he’s in no condition to take credit.


159 posted on 03/08/2014 10:03:29 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Cruz_West_Paul2016

The puppet masters don’t want him anywhere around when big decisions must be made and talking off the cuff may be required.


160 posted on 03/08/2014 10:04:35 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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