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Putin's Western Allies: Why Europe's Far Right Is on the Kremlin's Side
Foreign Affairs ^ | MARCH 25, 2014 | Mitchell A. Orenstein

Posted on 03/29/2014 9:48:21 AM PDT by annalex

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Despite the article's hysterical anti-right wing tone, I think the conservatives should indeed ponder: why are so many on the nationalist Right unable to see, through the Russian Federation's Soviet-style social conservatism, a re-enactment of the old COMINTERN posing serious threat to the nations of Europe, including Russia itself?
1 posted on 03/29/2014 9:48:21 AM PDT by annalex
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To: A.A. Cunningham; AlexW; andyk; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bibman; Bigg Red; ...

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant debates.


2 posted on 03/29/2014 9:49:26 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Thanks annalex.


3 posted on 03/29/2014 9:58:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: annalex
Seems to me that the "right-wing" in Europe is usually a variety of collectivist politics. Certainly the Nazis (national socialists) were collectivists who looked for a strong leader, just like the fascists in Italy.

Putin? Russia? I'm not surprised that the "right-wing" in Europe sees some good in him.

I'm a pro-freedom guy who believes in individualism and small government. I don't think I have a lot in common with the European "right-wing".

4 posted on 03/29/2014 10:01:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: annalex

Putin greatest transgression was that he performed a nationalist action. Nationalism is the real transgression. The EU elite and the progressive “multicultural” Obama led Left are one world globalists. They loathe nationalism. However the rest of the world has not signed on. Russia, China and most of the third world remain fervently patriotic and nationalistic. what is more this Crimea episode has demonstrated that the real power and influence of the West, as it enters a post Christian, neo pagan decadent era, is in decline. Western leaders have been reduced to grumbling, whining and pouting. That is no substitute for inspiring leadership or effective policies. Events have evolved despite their futile objections.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 10:01:26 AM PDT by allendale
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To: annalex

But “far right” in European usage can mean anything from genuinely far-right (e.g. Golden Dawn), to simply Euroskeptic (e.g. UKIP), to supportive of traditional European or national culture or even the classical-liberal idea of liberty against the multiculturalist, corporatist ideas being imposed from Brussels (e.g. the Dutch PVV). The common thread is being anti-EU, and at very least Russia is the enemy of their enemy.


6 posted on 03/29/2014 10:04:23 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

In England, “far-right” is a generic insult, and has no relation to the insultee’s political philosophy.

Like “homophobe” in this country.


7 posted on 03/29/2014 10:10:13 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Real American conservatives have nothing in common with the European right-wing, the European left, or Putinism. Some muddle-minded folks here think they’ve got something in common with Putin, but they don’t. They’re just confused or blinded by their anger with Obama.


8 posted on 03/29/2014 10:15:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: annalex
To counter Russia, European leaders should start launching public investigations into external funding of extreme-right political parties. If extensive Russia connections are found, it would be important to publicize that fact and then impose sanctions on Russia that would make it more difficult for it to provide such support.

Interesting, isn't this what Russia has done passing transparency and indoctrination laws against ultra left Homofascists and foreign funded ultra leftist NGO's?

Pro-European parties must find a way to mobilize voters who are notoriously unwilling to vote in European parliament elections. Europe will also have to rethink the austerity policies that have worsened the grievances of many Europeans and pushed them to support the anti-system, anti-European right.

Right, the Socialist will have to buy more votes with Other People's Money to counter a resurgence of moral values.

Although Germany has banned extreme right parties from representation, other countries have not.

Well, we need to get busy and ban political parties opposed to the EU.

Rather than making another land grab in his back yard, Putin might watch patiently from the sidelines at the end of May as pro-Russia far-right parties win a dramatic election victory in European parliamentary elections. These elections could weaken the European Union and bring Russia’s friends on the far right closer to power.

Unless the EU can buy enough Useful Idiots to vote themselves and everybody else into administrative and debt serfdom.

Mitchell A. Orenstein has a plan!

9 posted on 03/29/2014 10:20:11 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for the ping.


10 posted on 03/29/2014 10:20:14 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
In the old days, Foreign Affairs would never have let anyone so stupid as to write:

Given that one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s stated reasons for invading Crimea was to prevent “Nazis” from coming to power in Ukraine, it is perhaps surprising that his regime is growing closer by the month to extreme right-wing parties across Europe.

write for them.

11 posted on 03/29/2014 10:21:39 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: ClearCase_guy
the "right-wing" in Europe is usually a variety of collectivist politics

That is very vague. European right-wing is the same as American right-wing, albeit adapted in each country to the points of the greatest tactical advantage. In UK it is Euroscepticism, in France -- French nationalism and traditional Catholic culture, in Hungary -- similar to the French, in Bulgaria -- if we single out Ataka mentioned in the article, -- it is anti-EU with a good mix of social democracy; in Holland it is anti-immigration and anti-Islamism.

I can see how Euroscepticism might be attracted to Putin. But Putin is very pro-immigration at home. I don't see how invading Crimea, no matter how many Russian ethnics live there, can be viewed as a nationalistic act. The Crimea invasion did nothing but harm to Russia, and violated the national integrity of a sovereign country.

individualism and small government.

Right wingers generally do, but both in America and especially in Europe, we come to see that these goals cannot be resolved without autocratic elements such as strong borders, nationalist internal politics and, preferably, strong leadership.

12 posted on 03/29/2014 10:31:27 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Putin [...] performed a nationalist action

That is a very myopic view. How is invading a sovereign nation for the sake of an ethnic Russian minority that already had autonomy, a "nationalist action"? It did nothing but harm to both Ukraine and Russia. Nationalist respect national borders.

Putin's internal policies have nothing nationalist about them. For example, Russia is flooded by cheap labor from Asia, with ritualistic lamb slaughter and bottom-up communal prayers to Mecca taking place on main streets in Moscow.

13 posted on 03/29/2014 10:35:28 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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I want to know why anyone thought the expansion of NATO was a good thing after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact.

How many tens of millions of Russians have died from invaders from their west over the last 2 centuries?


14 posted on 03/29/2014 10:37:53 AM PDT by Tea Party Terrorist (Why work for a living when you can vote for a living?)
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at very least Russia is the enemy of their enemy

That would justify some rhetorical sympathies, but taking foreign money is a risky step for a political organisation. Are they that foolish?

Even rhetorically, it is one thing to admire Russian laws resisting gay propaganda, another -- voicing support for the Crimea invasion.

15 posted on 03/29/2014 10:38:36 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
I think right-wing is a very fungible word for you. It seems to mean about 37 different political positions.

I do not classify myself as "right-wing" because it seems to mean everything and nothing.

I think human nature is a sin nature.
I do not believe we can create heaven on earth.
I expect my government to protect me from force from others.
I want to be left alone by my government.

I don't think "right-wing" fits me at all, because that word has been twisted beyond all recognition.

16 posted on 03/29/2014 10:38:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: annalex

Putin recently said he would stand with Israel...


17 posted on 03/29/2014 10:39:04 AM PDT by GOPJ (Save Your Country , Fire A Democrat - freeper molso209)
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To: RightGeek

Yeah, sheer left-wing idiocy.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 10:39:34 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist
expansion of NATO

The Eastern Europe practically demanded it and given the events in Georgia in 2008, RF fomenting trouble in Estonia and Poland, and now the invasion of Crimea, they were correct to seek protection.

19 posted on 03/29/2014 10:41:55 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: DuncanWaring

In truth Nationalism will always Trump Internationalist movements like Communism, Golbalism, EU etc... may is a tribal Animal and like the Totem of his group. Putin plays into this well. You could see it in the Opening of the Olympics a while back—a look at pride in nation. Hitler used it too, as has others. The left (internationalists) hate this. It killed the old USSR—and will slay the EU in time. It will lead to the end of the UN and make it a powerless debating society.


20 posted on 03/29/2014 10:42:49 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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