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Why Rand Paul is Wrong to Blame the US for Pearl Harbor
FrontPage Mag ^ | 04/01/2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 04/01/2014 8:08:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind


The views in the video aren’t surprising.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO

They’re the views of Ron and Rand Paul and their intellectual milieu which believes that most wars are set up by banks. According to them, the US need not have gotten involved in WW2.

“There are times when sanctions have made it worse. I mean, there are times .. leading up to World War II we cut off trade with Japan. That probably caused Japan to react angrily. We also had a blockade on Germany after World War I, which may have encouraged them … some of their anger.” Paul says.

Paleocon revisionist historians go on to claim even that Japan exhausted every diplomatic outlet and that it had no choice left but to bomb Pearl Harbor.

Sanctions were never really the issue though. Japan wanted European powers out of Asia. And it considered America a European power.

The attack on Pearl Harbor was a flanking raid in support of the Japanese seizure of the Dutch East Indies. A major reason for Japan’s attack on the US was its assumption that FDR would not have let Japan attack the UK without a response. We no doubt could have abandoned the UK and the Dutch, watched the atrocities from a distance, the torture, mass murder and rape, and gone on selling Japan anything it wanted.

Would that have worked? Doubtfully.

The Japanese army and navy were poorly controlled and its officers were drunk with power and victory. Their understanding of their own limitations was often non-existent. Plans for war with the US had been in place for a while and there were historical grudges there long predating FDR.

A victorious Japan would have been even more difficult to co-exist with than an overcommitted one. Furthermore Hawaii had enough Japanese that the whole Volksdeutsche scenario would have reared its ugly head.

The US could no doubt have ceded Hawaii, but where exactly does all that end?

Japan, like Nazi Germany, was trying to compensate for a bad economic policy with war and conquest. Every victory fed military egos while piling up more problems that could only be dealt with through more war and conquest.

The idea that the US could have just stayed out of Japan’s way is like thinking that you can stay out of a mugger’s way. You can, a few times, but if you intend on being in the neighborhood, he will come for you.


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To: Revelation 911
so youd rather another dem?

Whoaaaaaaaaaa!

You mean you guys are already starting to pretend that Paul is the only guy in the running to be the GOP nominee, a couple of years from now?

You might want to pick up a calendar and notice that we aren't even at the 2014 mid terms yet.

61 posted on 04/01/2014 12:35:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: plain talk
Paul may make good VP candidate

A veep is merely the next president, that is why we voted for McCain, to make Palin President.

62 posted on 04/01/2014 12:37:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Not necessarily. VPs don’t have a lock on the presidency. A VP candidate is there to help get the nominee elected President. That is the major criteria for a VP nominee. If Paul helps bring in indepedents and get Cruz elected I am fine with it. He would never be elected President so I am not worried about it. Even if he did get elected somehow he would be better than a Hillary or an Obama


63 posted on 04/01/2014 12:58:40 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Orangedog

Don’t disagree there.

A reset IS coming, and NOT of the State Department PR kind. Just as well to get it over with.


64 posted on 04/01/2014 1:03:40 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ansel12

I didn’t say that -but the question is with all your sniping, if he’s the pick, would you prefer another dem?


65 posted on 04/01/2014 1:23:45 PM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: Revelation 911

Wow, another goofy post, “with all your sniping, if he’s the pick, would you prefer another dem?”.

Seriously, pick up a calender, it is a little early for the “Romney sucks, but he isn’t Obama” crowd to start up.


66 posted on 04/01/2014 1:35:24 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: plain talk

Choosing a veep is choosing a president, that is the accurate and proper assumption, does it hold true in every case? no, but it is the proper assumption, if you want to keep someone out of the presidency, you would not want to make them vice president.

On the other hand, if you have a favorite who couldn’t quite snag the nomination first time around, there is no better place that you would want him, than being vice president.


67 posted on 04/01/2014 1:39:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
True, but irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Its only irrelevant because it proves that all the excuses that our first Marxist president gave for US involvement in the Pacific were lies and deception.

68 posted on 04/01/2014 2:01:27 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I have tried to like the Pauls......... I really have.....
69 posted on 04/01/2014 2:07:20 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: ansel12

Not it is not. A veep is nothing more than a political asset to a ticket. That is the reality. I don’t think Rand Paul has much chance of being elected President after becoming VP so I am not worried about it. First things first. How do we get Cruz elected? I think Paul could complement Cruz and pull in different types of voters and that’s the role of a VP candidate.


70 posted on 04/01/2014 2:45:01 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

This is a new one to me, someone who doesn’t think being vice president, is a key to becoming that party’s nominees for president.


71 posted on 04/01/2014 2:50:34 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

It is new to me to find someone who doesn’t know a VP is a political asset and that’s about it.


72 posted on 04/01/2014 4:06:20 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: plain talk

How many times has the vice-president of a president, been beaten out as his party’s nominee?

Answer-Not very often, being a vice president is the top launching pad to win your primary.

Rand Paul as a vice president would guarantee him the next nomination.


73 posted on 04/01/2014 4:19:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: jpsb

BINGO!


74 posted on 04/01/2014 6:14:40 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ansel12
yeah - thought you might not commit...

be gone troll

75 posted on 04/02/2014 3:16:54 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (por que no musica?)
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To: minnesota_bound

What is absurd about the isolationist liberaltarian crowd is that there is nothing they believe worth intervening militarily for, unless Va. Beach is hit.

At the same time, they believe economic sanctions to be an excuse for other countries to go to war.

That’s quite a double standard.

Rand Paul is an idiot when it comes for foreign and military policy and is no option for any national level office.


76 posted on 04/02/2014 3:48:10 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: Revelation 911

Three goofy and totally meaningless posts you have made, why have you latched on to one of the more liberal candidates, years before the election?


77 posted on 04/02/2014 8:16:03 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Topic posted on April 1, if only to show that anyone who takes him seriously as a conservative, as a Republican, or as a libertarian, is a fool.

[snip] “The biggest war crimes of all—the dropping of two atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki—are never mentioned.” [/snip]

http://takimag.com/article/return_of_the_japan_scam_taki#axzz2vj3ZhILV

linked from here:

Rand Paul’s Crimea Flip Flops Disqualify Him For the Presidency
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3132727/posts


78 posted on 05/03/2014 11:32:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Curious, why do you object to following the US Constitution?


79 posted on 05/03/2014 11:41:06 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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related: Rand Paul: America Partly To Blame For Pearl Harbor, World War II and Rand Paul blames America- Partly To Blame For Pearl Harbor, World War II


80 posted on 05/03/2014 11:56:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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