Posted on 04/11/2014 11:23:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s decades-long battle against the federal government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who’ve circled his land — and talk is, they’re not afraid to open fire.
A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to local 8 News Now: I’m not “afraid to shoot,” he said.
Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy’s sister and a cancer survivor, said at a town hall gathering this week that the situation “was like a war zone” and that she felt “like I was not in the United States,” The Daily Mail reported. The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: “Serious bloodshed was narrowly avoided,” in a story about how dogs were unleashed on a woman who was pregnant while the rancher’s son was hit with a taser.
On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr. Bundy’s property, escalating a court dispute that’s wound for two decades over the rancher’s refusal to pay for grazing fees.
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Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys keep up the fight.
“This is what we do, we provide armed response,” Jim Lordy, with Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. “They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.”
Mr. Lordy also said “many more” militia groups are coming to the site to join in the Bundy family defense.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
Hannity said Cliven Bundy will be live on the air for the entire next hour, starting at the top of the next hour..
In S. CA AM 1150 on the dial, at 1pm Pacific.
Or where ever Hannity stations are covered.
Hannity said Cliven Bundy will be live on the air for the entire next hour, starting at the top of the next hour..
In S. CA AM 1150 on the dial, at 1pm Pacific.
Or where ever Hannity stations are covered.
Let us remember Waco.
“How come you’re so excited about this one guy and his cows in Nevada? “
Because I hate to see conservatives get hoodwinked by a nut who believes he is not a US citizen. I’m very pro-rancher. I’m 60 miles from the Mexican border, and I think ranchers ought to have the right to take armed action to protect their ranches. But darn it, if you graze your cattle on someone else’s land, you cannot complain when they charge you for it! That is fundamental to property rights!
And when someone in the US says they are not a US citizen, then I say deport them! If Bundy doesn’t want to be a US citizen, let him move outside of the USA.
ping
The report I've seen posted here refers to an article that specifically stated the auction for leases took place in Reno for leases near Wells, NV. Wells, NV is 340 miles east of Reno on I-80. Wells is 350 miles north of Bunkerville (where Mr. Bundy resides) up US 93 (after taking I-15 west toward Las Vegas and then using highway 168 to cut between I-15 and US 93). The leases mentioned in that article are for nowhere near Bunkerville.
The steaks are on their way to Moochie’s table as we speak.
Hannity said he’s going to be on the show.
No comparison..Waco had a cult leader and was basically a commune.
What do you call those running the fedgov who ignore laws on a wholesale basis, as matter of routine, all while rewarding millions of illegal alien trespassers who break our laws?
They have zero respect for our laws and rules and they don't think US law applies to them.
How come you're so excited about this one guy and his cows in Nevada?
Because I hate to see conservatives get hoodwinked by a nut
Not buying that. No sale Mr. Rogers.
Whether the guy is “right” or not is slowly becoming rather meaningless because the point is: Does it really take 200 Fed brown shirts to serve a tax bill to this guy??
Does it?
I mean - Never underestimate the Federal Government’s stupidity, nor its willingness to kill. I’d rather play with rattlers then mix it up with those fascist dumba$$es, but they are begging for an ass whipping if they want to make an armed stand against a guy who “owes us some money.”
An overdue tax bill should not involve federal weapons. Ever. PERIOD.
Ha! Ya beat me to it. :-)
Well, don’t give ‘em easy targets.
Find their snipers and get some counter snipers ready. Might want some smoke, too.
Remember they have APCs and heavy weapons.
And don’t shoot first.
The government used the same illegal tactics to wipe them out—American citizens, cult or not.
April 19th is the anniversary of that massacre.
I have issue with the Fed gov. claiming lands for ridiculous reasons....this too seems to come into the equation.
Imagine if the feral government put that kind of energy toward defending our southern border...
“the county sheriff is responsible for serving eviction orders and that the feds do not have jurisdiction is such local matters.”
I’m not a lawyer nor a cop. I cannot say for certain WHO is supposed to take the cattle...but Bundy had his day in court and lost. He did not appeal. No appeal means it is over, legally.
There are many court cases that piss me off, and Justice Thomas is about the only person on the Supreme Court that I think has any honor, but I just don’t see this as the right fight.
I’d much rather make a fight over the right of ranchers to protect themselves along the border, or the right of a town to repair water lines that were installed before anyone heard of a wilderness area. Frankly, I think all wilderness areas should be dissolved immediately. But this fight will not resonate with anyone who reads the court order.
From 1998:
“On February 26, 1993, Bundy sent an Administrative Notice of Intent to the BLM, which stated his intent to graze cattle “pursuant to my vested grazing rights.” See Exhibit [*3] 10 to #11. Bundy sent several more Administrative Notice[s] of Intent in the months that followed. On June 16, 1993, the BLM sent Bundy a letter informing him that his application had not been received to graze livestock for the June 15, 1993 to August 31, 1993 period. The BLM included another application for Bundy to fill out and return. See Exhibit 12 to #11. Bundy responded to the BLM letter with another Administrative Notice and Intent, stating, among other things, that the BLM has produced no documents showing it had jurisdiction over the public lands. See Exhibit 13 to #11. The BLM began trespass detection efforts at the end of June 1993.
On July 13, 1993, the BLM sent Bundy a Trespass Notice and Order to Remove and gave him ten days to respond. As requested by Bundy, the BLM informed Bundy in a July 27, 1993 letter that it would extend the response time to 30 days. On August 19, 1993, Bundy sent another Administrative Notice and Intent, stating the BLM lacked proof that it had jurisdiction. See Exhibit 16 to #11...
...In December 1994, Bundy or his agents served a Constructive Notice on a contractor hired by the BLM to gather wild horses and burros. In August 1995, the BLM sent Bundy another Trespass Notice and Order to Remove. Bundy responded by sending a Constructive Notice [*5] and Order to Stop, in which he again questioned the United States’ authority to manage the Allotment. See Exhibit 28 to #11.
In September 1997, the BLM tried to set up a meeting with Bundy to resolve the trespasses, but Bundy declined to meet with the BLM.
The government contends it could have impounded Bundy’s livestock, but it took no action because any action could have resulted in physical confrontation. Since the trespass detection efforts began in late June of 1993, the BLM has kept a record of observed livestock grazing on the Allotment.
On April 17, 1998, Bundy, a pro se defendant, filed his Answer and Motion to Dismiss (#4). Bundy alleged that this Court lacks jurisdiction to hear the case. On July 22, 1998, the United States filed a Motion for Summary Judgment (#11) requesting injunctive relief and damages.
Bundy appears to argue in his Motion to Dismiss (#4) that the Complaint (#1) should be dismissed because this Court lacks jurisdiction since Article IV of the Constitution cannot be imposed upon him. Bundy claims that he is a citizen of Nevada and not a citizen of a territory of the United States, and he also quotes religious texts. [*6] Bundy also brings in the Property Clause, the Commerce Clause and International Treaty laws. None of these statutes, laws or other citations is relevant to the jurisdictional issue...
...In his Reply (#7), Bundy explains this action started in 1992 when he received a “Full Force and Effect Decision Bunkerville Allotment” from the BLM. Reply (#7), p. 5. The letter to which Bundy refers is in fact dated January 28, 1993. Bundy claims this “decision concerning the Desert Tortoise, if fully implemented, would lead to the end of ranching in Clark County,” and his ranching days would be over. Reply (#7), p. 5. The decision from the BLM does not inform [*8] Bundy he can no longer graze livestock due to the protection of the Desert Tortoise, but instead reminds Bundy that his grazing permit would end at the end of the next month, February 1993, and the new permit application was attached to the decision.
The decision informed Bundy the BLM would issue him a new ten-year federal grazing permit for the Bunkerville Allotment. Mot. Dism. (#4), Exh. E. The terms and conditions for the new federal grazing permit allowed for livestock grazing with some restrictions to be determined by the BLM. For example, if tortoises were found to be active in the early spring in a specific area, then grazing would not be allowed until the amount of spring ephemeral forage had grown to a sufficient amount.”
Lise Weil author and legal analyst for Fox News said the same thing....is there a copy of that lease showing just where Rancher Bundy is supposed to have not followed the law? And is there proof the BLM killed some of his cattle....The BLM and the EPA are often heavy handed, leading to disputes and misunderstandings. Anyone have a copy of that lease?
(((((I think the shooting will not start. The feds will deescalate.)))))
Yep...might be a show down...but they will retreat.
Nope. The restrictions on the number of cattle may have been ridiculous, but the cost per animal month (cow/calf pair counts as 1) is the same for everyone across the board for grazing. Set by federal law at $1.35/ per Animal Unit Month, or AUM. An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month. The rate's been the same $1.35/AUM since 1986, and takes an act of Congress to change the rate. BLM can't set the rate.
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