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The Pacific’s Salmon Are Back — Thank Human Ingenuity
National Review Online ^ | April 22, 2014 | Robert Zubrin

Posted on 04/23/2014 10:08:06 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

This article makes a lot of good points; but it is also misleading, because it conflates “ open-sea mariculture” with “geoengineering”.

The Haida wanted more salmon, and they succeeded. That’s the open-sea mariculture part, and so far it’s been a good thing.

OTOH, Russ George (and others of his ilk) are interested in geoengineering — so that they can make a bundle, selling carbon-offset credits. George tried this years ago, and got shut down.

While it would be great to rid ourselves of carbon rationing, by the simple expedient of dumping iron filings into the ocean — there’s a large risk of going too far. Several year ago, oceanographer John Martin said: “Give me half a tanker of iron and I’ll give you the next ice age.” The intent of geoengineering with iron filings would be to get rid of only the “surplus” carbon dioxide. Of course, the problem is determining how much CO2 is surplus (if any).

This is a lot riskier than the article makes out.


21 posted on 04/23/2014 10:43:56 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: 4Speed

What do they want to do to ‘fix’ the climate?

That’s easy!
1) Lower all our standards of living until the vast majority of humanity lives in huts, yurts, or caves. (Excepting the elites, of course.)
2) Remove all modern technology. (Excepting the elites, of course.)
3) Lower the population of Earth by first removing all whites, Americans, and (naturally) Christians. (Except...do I need to say it?)


22 posted on 04/23/2014 10:44:32 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Red Badger
"So what happens when they stop dumping Iron Sulfate into the water?....................."


23 posted on 04/23/2014 10:46:54 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"...they die in mass I guess?"

Yes, happens every year. The life cycle of the salmon: hatch, swim out to sea, eat, grow, swim back up the river you came out of, have sex, and die.

"...sort of like feeding the bears,..."

I think that is the idea. Lots of salmon equals happy bears. Just imagine, all those bears waiting around the river for the salmon to show up.

24 posted on 04/23/2014 10:51:47 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: neverdem

Very interesting. Thanks.


25 posted on 04/23/2014 10:59:46 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: neverdem
This can't be.

A few years ago, they said Global Warming was going to kill all the Salmon off

B.C.'s sockeye salmon may not survive climate warming: Study

26 posted on 04/23/2014 11:10:23 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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27 posted on 04/23/2014 11:10:25 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: JoeProBono

See! The iron makes the salmon rust. Oh, the humanity !


28 posted on 04/23/2014 11:12:49 AM PDT by llevrok (F the government)
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To: neverdem

This will work great until the Orcas figure it out, and their population starts to grow to meet the expanding population of food.

That said, this appears to be pretty good news, especially the part where they didn’t take taxpayer money to accomplish it.


29 posted on 04/23/2014 11:20:38 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: fireforeffect
no you missed my point.

the predators like whales that will eventually learn to come there to feed on the baby salmon will become trained to do so and will increase in number.

Which will result in a mass die off of the whales if the practice was suddenly stopped.

30 posted on 04/23/2014 11:22:01 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: FatherofFive
Go live in cave and eat slugs.

I'm fine with the Luddites eating slugs in caves. My problem is their insistence we do the same.

31 posted on 04/23/2014 11:23:10 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I don’t miss your point at all. In fact, it was the first thing I thought of.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 11:24:26 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: neverdem

Outstanding column. Thanks for posting it.


33 posted on 04/23/2014 11:28:46 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Cyber Liberty
I'm fine with the Luddites eating slugs in caves. My problem is their insistence we do the same.

Exactly.

I don't smoke. I hate the smell of cigaretts. After I smoke a cigar I feel I have to shave my teeth(Our Church has a cigar dinner fundraiser). I know tobacco causes health problems. If you own a bar and want to allow smoking, go ahead. Just don't expect me to ever enter the place.

Freedom and liberty is a tough concept for lots of people.

34 posted on 04/23/2014 11:31:02 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: fireforeffect
I can imagine Bears waiting around for those tasty tree huggers to show up.
And those tasty vegetarians who were grain fed.
35 posted on 04/23/2014 11:32:39 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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36 posted on 04/23/2014 11:37:54 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: Carry_Okie

How do they count fish?


37 posted on 04/23/2014 11:39:33 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Red Badger
So what happens when they stop dumping Iron Sulfate into the water?

The iron sulfate they already dumped remains in the system. Localized algae blooms won't occur any more, but the ocean will remain a little bit richer for the experience. Gains in biomass will level out and become more distributed. Not a disaster especially.

38 posted on 04/23/2014 11:41:31 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: neverdem

“worked”!?!?!?!

Wait until the EPA finds out about this and fines them BILLIONS$$$$ for “polluting” our oceans with iron sulfate, and then charging them for the cost of extracting the “pollutant”!

After the debacle with CO2 and the courts, don’t you dare try to tell me about how “natural” iron sulfate is!


39 posted on 04/23/2014 11:42:44 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: neverdem

Using the libs’ own logic back on them, it would appear that the environuts are all racists because they are waging war against the economic survival of the Haida tribe in Canada. Someone should represent the Haida as a sovereign nation and establish their international right to seed iron sulfate in the northeast Pacific, the historical waters of their historical food source. Anyone who opposes them is just a racist.


40 posted on 04/23/2014 11:46:04 AM PDT by Avid Coug
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