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Rand Paul: Bundy’s racist remarks are ‘offensive’
Washington Times ^ | April 24, 2014 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 04/24/2014 8:44:26 AM PDT by maggief

Sen. Rand Paul distanced himself Thursday from Cliven Bundy’s recent remarks on race, roughly a week after the likely 2016 presidential contender knocked the way the federal government has handled the land dispute with the defiant rancher.

“Cliven Bundy’s remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him,” Mr. Paul, Kentucky Republican, said via Twitter.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: adamnagourney; blm; bundy; bundyracist; bundyranch; clivenbundy; harryreid; jumpedtheshark; kentucky; liesnyt; nevada; nyt; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; ronpaultruthfile
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To: SeekAndFind
The MSM is putting works in Bundy's mouth.

He never stated "Black were better off being slaves"

He asks if Blacks are better off being slaves to government subsidies, better off with broken families and no work ethic.

You see it every day, Black Inner City women having illegitimate babies, no idea who the baby daddy is, all for a gov'ment check. ...young Black Men killing one another in the Inner City streets.

The sooner Obama, Holder and CBC admit this damning truth the better off Inner City Blacks will become.

Who's the real coward that will not address the Inner City culture Mr. Holder!

51 posted on 04/24/2014 9:12:30 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: maggief
So what?
Mr Bundy is fully entitled to his opinion.
52 posted on 04/24/2014 9:12:34 AM PDT by Malichi (!)
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To: maggief
Source; The NYT so I take most of the story with a grain of salt. Or a large bowl of salt.
I do find it interesting that some of us predicted at the start of this that Clive Bundy would be called a racist before they finally arrived at the Final Solution.
53 posted on 04/24/2014 9:12:36 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: dfwgator
“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Here is what they heard....

"Blah blah blah blah 'Negro' blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah 'slaves, picking cotton'"


No Better than a dog


54 posted on 04/24/2014 9:13:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: maggief

http://allenbwest.com/2014/04/democrats-compare-black-republicans-jewish-nazi-collaborators/


55 posted on 04/24/2014 9:14:23 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Milton Miteybad
Bingo. My own suspicion is that the Times placed these words in his mouth at the request of the federal government to create a wave of revulsion. This way, when DHS goes in with drones and helicopter gunships and slaughters the Bundys and their supporters, there will be no uprising, no civil war, but a passive acquiescence that he and his supporters got what they deserved. The deaths among the DHS kill teams will be enough to justify a crackdown on gun ownership, militias and dissent.

This is government disinformation.

56 posted on 04/24/2014 9:14:27 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

~So, if someone supposedly makes racist comments, he suddenly has no rights?~

It is a non-issue anymore as soon as a race card is pulled. That is an idea behind a race card.


57 posted on 04/24/2014 9:14:42 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: SeekAndFind
Why the hell do ANY of you believe a WORD of this report. Some bottom-feeder hack journalist claims he heard someone say they heard Bundy say these things... Saturday! No recording, no proof, just a rumor reported as a fact.

It's all pure fabrication.

58 posted on 04/24/2014 9:14:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: maggief

since when is the New York Times a reliable “news” source??


59 posted on 04/24/2014 9:15:07 AM PDT by zzwhale
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To: maggief
Why does this make me think of Jack Nicholson's reply?

"You can't handle the truth!!"


60 posted on 04/24/2014 9:15:29 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: logi_cal869

Race card is dead. Does not matter if he had said stuff like a democrat does. Nothing he said was wrong or untruthful, he still gets support.


61 posted on 04/24/2014 9:16:09 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: maggief

Classic Alinsky #12


62 posted on 04/24/2014 9:16:55 AM PDT by Despot of the Delta
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To: Resolute Conservative

How did he harm himself, he told a truth. Or is this now Germany and nobody can talk about the master race?


63 posted on 04/24/2014 9:17:54 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: maggief
I see. This is the part where they must “Cut off the support network and isolate, polarize, demonize.”

None of this has any bearing on what we all witnessed last week where an out of control, militarized federal government brought their storm troopers to “protect” a freaking turtle and steal an old man’s cows.

64 posted on 04/24/2014 9:20:29 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: logi_cal869

Watched the video.

And?

Still not seeing anything “Racist” in his statements.


65 posted on 04/24/2014 9:24:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: editor-surveyor

Agreed.


66 posted on 04/24/2014 9:26:54 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: Lazamataz
It's all pure fabrication.

Sorry Laz but his press conference was videotaped and on line and he did say what he is reported to have said.

67 posted on 04/24/2014 9:27:27 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Dead Corpse

No argument from me. I was just seeking to tamper the run on it not being true; I was hoping it wasn’t. They baited him and got him to feed them fodder for their listeners/readers (the left, that is). Out of context, it is. Un-PC, it is. Racist, it’s not.


68 posted on 04/24/2014 9:28:17 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: maggief

Any reporter with an once of integrity or intellectual curiosity would contact Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Allen West, Bill Cosby and, “for balance” Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton. Hang, even throw in Spike Lee.

Ask them all to comment on the ENTIRE premise Bundy made.

“Bless you prison, bless you for being in my life. For there, lying upon the rotting prison straw, I came to realize that the object of life is not prosperity as we are made to believe, but the maturity of the human soul.”

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956

Speaking to his brothers who had sold him into slavery many years earlier, Joseph told them, “As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.” Genesis 50:20

The bird that refused to migrate

A little bird in Russia refused to join the pack which was flying south for the winter. It refused to listen to its’ parents and elders thinking it can tough it out.
Winter came and It was so cold so the bird froze and fell to the ground covered with snow. A cow came by and dropped some dung on the bird. The pile of cow dung warmed the bird and brought it back to life. It lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing took the bird out of the pile of cow dung, and ate it.

Morals of the story:
(1) Don’t discount experienced advice of people who care for your success.
(2) Not everyone who drops a load of dung on you is your enemy.
(3) Not everyone who gets you out of a pile of dung is your friend.
(4) And when you’re in a deep pile of manure, it’s best to keep your mouth shut!


69 posted on 04/24/2014 9:28:30 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "...[willful] ignorance is the opiate of academic elites." - Mike Adams [BN edit])
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To: Lazamataz

http://bambuser.com/v/4549915

Run it forward to about the 17 minute mark.

The spin is bad, but his words were true and actually express compassion for those stuck in the welfare trap the FedGov has set.


70 posted on 04/24/2014 9:29:02 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: maggief

No matter which way sliced. The comments were offensive. I think he was trying to portray how the government and Democrats have destroyed the black family. But the shoe was definitely inserted. Not helpful, because you know the media will now claim Bundy was basically the leader of the Tea Party.

Unlike Dems who get to have actual politicians arrested fby the FBI for gun running. Thems the breaks.


71 posted on 04/24/2014 9:31:19 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: maggief

Page full of quotes from Black racists.

http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/04/simple-naked-and-unanswerable-hatred.html


72 posted on 04/24/2014 9:34:20 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: maggief

OH, NO! Take his cattle, take his cattle! /sarc

While this may prove that Bundy’s an idiot with his cotton-picking talk, that doesn’t mean he’s in the wrong on the ranch issue.


73 posted on 04/24/2014 9:37:36 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The PASSING LANE is for PASSING, not DAWDLING)
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To: Mechanicos

Not to me, but the world is full of stupid people, even on our side.


74 posted on 04/24/2014 9:48:47 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Glenn Beck: Cliven Bundy ‘unhinged’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3148158/posts


75 posted on 04/24/2014 9:48:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: maggief
The media began calling Bundy an inbred, freeloading welfare rancher when this affair started 2 weeks ago.

Pot.Kettle.Black.
76 posted on 04/24/2014 9:58:47 AM PDT by Duke C.
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To: grania

Rand Paul is nor our friend, if he gets sidetracked so easily by a NYT hit piece.

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He has been in free fall on a number of issues lately.


77 posted on 04/24/2014 10:04:51 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: MrB

This is not about supporting Bundy.
It is about opposing government overreach.

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100% on target.


78 posted on 04/24/2014 10:05:27 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: maggief

Whatever happened to “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”?


79 posted on 04/24/2014 10:19:16 AM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: servantboy777

I believe the dems are quite content to let this play out until the election in November. It keeps the idea that conservatives are crazy racist in the forefront. I would expect the BLM to run a raid in October. It will not go well and the official story will be that the Bundy fam or supporters shot first. Right wing domestic terrorists of course. Just in time to pump up the dem base for Novembers elections.


80 posted on 04/24/2014 10:24:00 AM PDT by MissH
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To: MrB

Yep. That is my point. Dems play these little distraction games to get us on defense. We need to stay on point. Bundy is a victim and not a spokesman.


81 posted on 04/24/2014 10:27:24 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: dfwgator

I saw the video. Mr. Bundy has more genuine concern for the plight of the modern Black family than any phony Liberal. he sees despair where it is. Liberals see their “good intentions” but not the results.


82 posted on 04/24/2014 10:30:26 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: maggief

It doesn’t matter if Bundy is the biggest racist in the world. That isn’t germane to the argument about property rights vs. government edicts.


83 posted on 04/24/2014 10:38:06 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Dr. Thorne

I am with Bundy on this statement is the statement NOT true!!! It is true
the black communities are slaves to the government, horrible schools,
horrible neighborhoods, NO JOBS, family units are NIL!!!! He IS correct!!!!


84 posted on 04/24/2014 10:38:27 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: grania

I’ve kind of been a Rand Paul cheerleader but he needs to take some time out and decide who he is and what he really beleives because right now he’s jumping all over the place and it does not look good.

He would be better off just to stay quiet for awhile until he and his campaign people can put together a cogent structured agenda for him to push.

The guy wants to restore our freedom from being groped by the TSA and spied on by the NSA. That’s all good and now Rand Paul needs to figure out the rest of his story.


85 posted on 04/24/2014 10:40:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: maggief

Mr. Bundy is not a politician so why is he getting asked questions about issues not related to the illegal confiscation of his property???


86 posted on 04/24/2014 10:58:17 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: aumrl

How many black women slaves were raped? How many slave families were sold and separated? Abortions? What does any of those issues have to do w/ the BLM and Bundy?

The point is that if you want to make a political stand and have public opinion on your side...you don’t talk about the “negro” and you don’t imply blacks were better off as slaves.

Bundy muddied the water, IMO, because he had an audience and he started yammering. AND there is video and audio...which the MSM loves to have and play over and over and over.


87 posted on 04/24/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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To: dfwgator

The Left would be distant memory but for race politics..


88 posted on 04/24/2014 10:59:05 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: BRL
America... where free thought and free expression are dead.

That's it right there. The left and can postulate their rabid craziness all the day long on any medium with impunity. Let the average Joe citizen make un-politically correct suggestions and all hell comes down upon him.

For all the so-called conservatives and Glenn Beck types out there who jump on the anti-Bundy bandwagon are nothing more than the left's useful idiots.

89 posted on 04/24/2014 11:03:49 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: maggief

Randy the Candy A**. At least Gov Perry swatted away the trick question (being asked about Bundy’s comments) and was not distracted. Take note, Pubbies.


90 posted on 04/24/2014 11:07:48 AM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
So, if someone supposedly makes racist comments, he suddenly has no rights? Bundy's personal views on race or pancakes or anything else have NOTHING to do with this issue.

Ding, ding, ding - we have a thread winnah!

91 posted on 04/24/2014 11:31:58 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats are waging war on white middle class men...)
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To: P-Marlowe; maggief
I heard it myself. He's talking about bureaucracies and overdependence on government.

the rancher discussed the larger issue of people becoming overdependent on government assistance.

He starts the entire piece saying we DON'T want to go back. Then he wonders what with abortions, no jobs, and jail if that is better off than the slavery years. It's saying that We don't wanna go back, but with all the trouble of welfare slavery, you gotta wonder if blacks are better off now.

He then goes on to talk about the Mexicans. He says they work hard, pay taxes, have great families, and we can learn from them, and we should welcome them.

What would a fair-minded person think his point is?

It sure isn't racist. He started by saying "We DON'T want to go back." Then he worries about blacks and Mexicans getting a raw deal today.

Listen to it. His attitude is concerned, thoughtful. He's not loud, angry, nothing like that at all. It sounds like his intent was trying to be helpful. And his talk about Mexicans really is he's trying to reach out and get people to see how good the Mexicans are.

It just goes to prove that only a race-hustler knows the right way to express ideas about race without getting in trouble.

92 posted on 04/24/2014 12:41:20 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Dead Corpse

MovieShopped.


93 posted on 04/24/2014 2:08:44 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

For an hour? Now that’s dedication....


94 posted on 04/24/2014 3:42:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: aumrl
How many babies were aborted under slavery?

Hard to say. I don't think they kept statistics on that.

95 posted on 04/24/2014 5:27:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: conservaKate

No, the point seems to be if you want to stand up for your rights you have to give up your right to free speech.
Why do you have to put negro in quotes?


96 posted on 04/24/2014 5:28:11 PM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: bigdaddy45
You really think that would make a difference?

No, not for most of the public. Spoon fed the 'correct' news by State controlled media, they only use about 1% of their brain, so I don't think they would even notice a difference, nor care.

97 posted on 04/24/2014 5:35:38 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: aumrl

I put negro in quotes because that’s the word Bundy used. I’ve had no reason to use that word in reference to anyone.

We will have to disagree about this topic. But I didn’t say Bundy lost his right to say anything he wants. But I do believe if you put yourself in front of the public and divert the topic to race, I think you’ve got to expect repercussions.

And I’ve yet to read folks standing up for Bundy’s comments in favor of illegal Mexicans. Bundy strongly argued that Mexicans should be welcomed w/ open arms as they have stronger family structures than white people.

Awesome. Let’s just open up the borders to all nationalities who are known to have ‘strong’ family value. / sarc


98 posted on 04/24/2014 6:01:41 PM PDT by conservaKate ( I grow weary of the goobers in the Republican party. (thanks Chris))
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To: maggief
Here is Rand Paul saying almost the exact same thing that Cliven Bundy said...

Rand Paul: Extending jobless benefits a 'disservice' to workers

"When you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks, you're causing them to become part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy. And it really - while it seems good, it actually does a disservice to the people you're trying to help," Paul said.


99 posted on 04/24/2014 7:12:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Bundy's personal views on race or pancakes or anything else have NOTHING to do with this issue.
Which is why he should have kept those views to himself. Doesn't he have any friends to counsel him on how to live with the world's evil spotlight shining down on you? What did he have to gain by sharing this opinion of his? How did it help his cause. I know he's not a professional activist, but seriously... where are his friends? No one was there to give him words of caution? I feel very bad for him. A lot of people let him down.
100 posted on 04/24/2014 7:49:43 PM PDT by samtheman
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