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Palumbo said he had been told that the reason for the investigation was that there was an anonymous complaint to the NY SAFE "Tipline" that offers a $500 reward for information that leads to an arrest under the SAFE Act.

Citizen spying and telling on fellow citizens is one of the hallmarks of the SAFE Act.

Back when Bill Clinton and the Democrats passed the "Crime Bill" in the 1990s, most of us realized that criminalizing such things as a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor for a Ruger 10/22 .22 caliber plinker rifle, or "ugly" gun specifics that had absolutely no determination in how the gun fired (all semi-automatics) - was a law that would lead down this path towards tyranny eventually.

The Federal "assault" weapons (these are not assault weapons) ban expired under GW Bush, but many states mimicked it, and those laws are still on the books. They void the 2nd Amendment by fiat, and are blatantly unconstitutional.

Now, we see where this has led in many cases. Innocent Americans are being persecuted, arrested, imprisoned, and their lives ruined.


1 posted on 09/05/2014 4:37:06 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

The SAFE ACT is anything but safe.


2 posted on 09/05/2014 4:39:35 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: SkyPilot
"The state police can demand access to these records anytime, and no warrant is necessary."

Regardless of NY state law - how can this be legal under the US Constitution?
Can they access ANYONE'S records like that, or just gun shops?

4 posted on 09/05/2014 4:50:52 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: SkyPilot

And so, it starts.

IMHO


5 posted on 09/05/2014 4:52:37 AM PDT by ripley
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To: SkyPilot; Chode; SgtBob; B4Ranch
on Friday he handed over approximately 170 customer records.

TRAITOR!!!

The state police can demand access to these records anytime, and no warrant is necessary.

BULL$HIT!!!

According to Palumbo, he said he was told that there had been a plan to raid the gun shop with the SWAT Team, but the lead investigator felt it would be best to go in peacefully.

WHAT A F'ING CONCEPT!!! no one has done ANYTHING ILLEGAL OTHER THAN THE "COPS" & politicians..

Germany,hitler,Jews.

ANYBODY SEE A PATTERN HERE???

6 posted on 09/05/2014 4:55:45 AM PDT by mabarker1 (congress, The Opposite of Progress.)
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To: SkyPilot

The problem is New York. No sane person would continue to live there.


8 posted on 09/05/2014 5:01:24 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: SkyPilot
Citizen spying and telling on fellow citizens is one of the hallmarks of the SAFE Act.

It was also popular in the Third Reich and behind the Iron Curtain... Way to go NY, great examples to emulate. :-/

11 posted on 09/05/2014 5:29:00 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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There is only one reason to ban detachable magazines: to prevent rapid reloading. Why prevent rapid reloading? To make defensive fire less effective and less hazardous to the assailant. Why? Because government thugs don’t like being shot back at when they assault citizens.


13 posted on 09/05/2014 5:47:51 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Is there a requirement that records be kept in English? Personally, I have always been fascinated with Klingon pig-Latin hyper text mark-up code with an overlay of Elvish. Of course only a Cyrillic alphabet can adequately capture such nuances.


14 posted on 09/05/2014 5:54:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fictional)
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Call some friends to help defend the shop. I’m sure they would have SWAT out gunned and may even teach them a lesson.


15 posted on 09/05/2014 5:59:45 AM PDT by nonliberal (Sent from a payphone in a whorehouse in Mexico.)
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To: SkyPilot

Who’s the guy with the beagle?


16 posted on 09/05/2014 6:05:02 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: SkyPilot
The state police can demand access to these records anytime, and no warrant is necessary.

Thus have they completely nullified all 4th amendment protections of the Constitution. As well as nullifying the 2nd and 5th Amendments.

Is New York really still part of the United States?

20 posted on 09/05/2014 6:24:00 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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According to Palumbo, he said he was told that there had been a plan to raid the gun shop with the SWAT Team, but the lead investigator felt it would be best to go in peacefully.

Holy crap! I hope the investigator doesn't get fired for Failure To Intimidate.

26 posted on 09/05/2014 7:06:31 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: SkyPilot

Buying a firearm has gotten so complicated. The last time I bought one I had to fill out the form, which changes every few years, then the clerk went over it, showed me where I needed to make changes, then all the changes had to have my initials and date by them, then he called HIS supervisor over who placed a template over the form to make sure all the proper spaces were filled out properly.

I long for the old pre-1968 days when all you had to do was hand the clerk your money and he handed you the gun. No questions asked.


30 posted on 09/05/2014 7:31:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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ATF went in and seized the computers of Ares Armor in San Diego this past spring. Luckily, nobody was arrested and Ares customers rallied and patronized the store quickly so no revenue was lost.

Ares is owned by veterans and they are great guys.

ATF went in after they were held off by an injunction. This is happening far too often in trying to keep us "commoners" from the means to protect ourselves!

32 posted on 09/05/2014 7:39:53 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (<------- has now left CA for NV, where guns and God have not been outlawed! Molon Labe)
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To: SkyPilot

The equation is simple, registration=confiscation. History is the proof.

Molon Labe.

5.56mm


36 posted on 09/05/2014 11:11:52 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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In Connecticut. Closed.

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Nancy-Lanza-s-gun-seller-loses-license-4412088.php

44 posted on 09/05/2014 5:44:56 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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