Posted on 10/12/2014 9:22:58 AM PDT by bestintxas
A just-concluded press conference in Dallas, featuring grim-faced officials, revealed that the anonymous worker at the hospital who came down with Ebola followed all CDC procedures, including the use of an isolation suit. Nonetheless, we were told not to worry. Yeah, right. Are they trying to convince people that we are being lied to? When they as good as admit they don’t know how to prevent infections, then telling us to be confident in their medical response accomplishes just the opposite: it spreads panic. Meanwhile, we are lectured to trust them and to keep allowing people form the plague region into the United States because their oh-so-effective measures will catch people who have a 21 day incubation period. This is just amazing. Why would anyone believe people who in effect say, “We don’t know how to prevent transmission of the disease, but trust us, and don’t worry.”
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
If they have it and get taken to any hospital it will be impossible to cover that up. There are some alternatives like secret government hospitals or just let them die in a private home somewhere.
The ER staff who had lots of contact with him after he became infectious apparently have NOT contracted the disease.
BUT, the hospital staff WHO WERE PROTECTING THEMSELVES DID get the disease....
There's "he's got a fever and ebola in his bloodstream" infectious and then there's "he's leaking blood out of every orifice" infectious. The danger probably went up as he got sicker and died.
CDC uses bhl4 protocols in their labs. Their recommendations for hospitals are bhl2 level protocols.
See the problem?
I was thinking the same thing this morning. Obola has been negligent in his defense our country through his porous entry policy.
I am thinking not only removal, but prison time.
Know of any hospitals that even have level 4? Also remember part of what the CDC does is put a bunch of ebola in a syringe and stick that in a monkey, definitely require a bit more safety measures.
I've seen little plastic mits dispensers at diesel pumps - diesel does have a little more unpleasant odor. That said, handles on fuel pumps of any type would likely be an effective fomite, like doorknobs, elevator buttons, spoons at the office coffee pot, etc. Any hard surface upon which virus or germs can linger after being handled by a contagious previous user can result in disease being passed from one individual to another. That's why grocery stores often have sanitary wipe dispensers available where shopping carts are lined up.
How effective that is in a world in which people are accustomed to just handling things is an open question. I watched a lady in a local Krogers a few days ago handle and examine about twenty tomatoes in the process of selecting a half dozen or so to put in her plastic bag. If some evil bug like Ebola does run wild in the U.S., it will be difficult if not impossible to curb these kind of ingrained habits.
Because none of the nursing staff put anything in a syringe when treating patients with ebola.
Or start pic lines. Or intubate them. Or change their diapers. Or do any number of other caring things for them. And none of the patients ever have violent seizures that eject virus laden liquids to any and all parts of the room.
And the hospitals having level 4 is the problem. According to the CDC, every hospital can treat ebola patients successfully with level 2 procedures and a private room.
Clearly that’s not the case.
The question is why the disconnect between what THEY practice in a strictly controlled environment and what they recommend healthworkers use in a real world setting...
Eventually you have to draw the line at what is possible. Setting up level 4 situations in hospitals is way outside of that realm. Remember level 4 includes positive pressure suits and all the external ventilation that implies. Nursing is actually a dangerous profession, people don’t realize that, but it is. There’s a reason they show up on all the disease risk groups, AIDS, hep C, herpes. You name it, nurses get it. It’s unfortunate, but there’s no way around it.
AIDS is actually trickier to get than ebola. One of the Nigerian doctors contracted ebola with a single ungloved touch of an IV bag in the patients room.
I haven’t heard of AIDS being contracted that way.
Hep C and herpes don’t have 90% fatality within 3 weeks of being contracted, either.
What WILL happen with insuffient PPE is that nurses and doctors will simply stay home.
I can’t blame them, either. Medicine isn’t a suicide pact. They have families. When they realize their odds of getting infected and dying may exceed those for specops in battlefield/combat situations AND place those families at immediate risk (in contrast with the specops guys) they will just stay home.
I wouldn't get on an air tight sealed aircraft to fly anywhere, let alone into Dallas...
Your employer/boss must not like you and want you gone.
Some might, most won’t. It’s part of the job, they know that. And really it’s not going to run that rampant here, we’ve got better procedures, and just overall a cleaner better organized society.
And those ‘better procedures’ have already infected one nurse.
How many will continue to come to work if those procedures involve blaming the victim and throwing her under the bus?
And you’re wrong about them showing up for work. Read this:
They will, eventually, adhere to the MSF protocols to treat ebola victims. They will have no choice in the matter. If MSF can adhere to those protocols in the bush, in tent treatment cities there’s no reason hospitals can’t protect their workers just as adequately. Since we’re ‘just overall a cleaner better organized society’ and all.
1. Out of how many dozen that interacted with the sick guy? And the procedure wasn’t followed entirely (it only takes one mistake).
That’s Spain. Americans are more professional. Heck even Canadians are more professional, look at SARS in Toronto, people kept coming to work.
More nurses and doctors in the bush got ebola (and regularly do) that here. It’s even harder to run the protocols out there, they’re lucky to stick to level 1. We ARE an overall cleaner and better organized society. When was the last time you heard of Americans transporting corses in taxis?
I believe you need standing to sue.
Now the nurse who received ebola? She could sue....and she should sue both the airline and the government.
...CDC Director Frieden also revealed yesterday that in the month of September, screening at airports in African countries has turned away 77 people who had signs of possible Ebola infection, including 17 in the month of September.
Although Frieden used this example to illustrate the effectiveness of CDC’s screening program, it also shows that sick people are trying to board planes to the U.S. As the outbreak grows, it will grow increasingly difficult to keep all Ebola-infected passengers—who don’t show signs of infection for several days—off those planes
If the procedures and protocols take ONE MISTAKE to infect you. And you’re using the protocols to protect HUMANS, who DO from time to time make mistakes. You WILL see infections in the healthcare workers.
And they will simply ‘sick out’ from working in those areas.
Better to introduce procedures and protocols that do NOT have a 100% chance of suicide from simply being human.
The MSF protocols are very stringent. And they’ve lost vanishingly few of their workers to this in comparison with even Western healthcare workers.
See if you can spot the differences:
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/10/us_hospitals_ready_to_treat_eb.html
If the pics above are the best WE can do as the best healthcare system in the world...then explain how MSF is able to do this in the bush, in the 3rd world...:
http://pulse.ng/news/disturbing-we-are-losing-battle-against-ebola-msf-reveals-id3101869.html
Now, if YOU were a healthcare worker taking care of a seizing, projectile vomiting and explosive pooping ebola patient, which garb would you feel the safest wearing. Our healthcare workers aren’t even covering their HAIR. And I can guarantee they aren’t (from just reading the al.com article) getting the MANDATORY to MSF protocol bleach washdown before they begin removing their protective gear.
And at $500K+ to treat each ebola patient, how long before insurance from a patient care standpoint will insist the medical staff be appropriately protected at all times with ADEQUATE gear to insure that simply being human isn’t a suicide move?
excuse me if I don't take his word for it.
If Obama thinks Ebola is a 'national security priority,' why no travel ban?
...A U.S. ban on air travel from the nations affected by Ebola makes sense. Multiple countries have done so. And so have some American companies, including Exxon Mobil. Several airlines have cancelled all flights. What is the downside? Economic loss?
How does the financial cost begin to compare to the potential loss of human lives
I have been reading and listening to most of the coverage and it sees that the closer to death, the more infectious the person becomes. That would explain why people in the apartment didn’t become infected but a person at the hospital did because his level of disease was at its most infectious.
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