Posted on 11/11/2014 12:37:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
Transgender people who regret their sex changes typically get buried in venom rather than loved.
Everyone has regrets. Some of us have big regrets. Most everyone has some place to go to get help dealing with them.
Except for, say, a guy who had sex-change surgery and now would like to have his penis back. (The one God gave him.)
Our culture seems pretty much “to each his own” when it comes to elective bodily mutilation and the regret thereof. And there’s a lot of regret out there. According to a British poll, a whopping 65 percent of those who’ve had various cosmetic surgeries regret it. People who regret their tattoos, plastic surgery, or more extreme body modifications (here’s a sad Buzzfeed pictorial on the effects of ear gauges) can read up on the Internet and find an open array of remedies. Plastic surgeons make money both puttin’ it in and takin’ it out.
Hollywood stars can speak openly about misgivings over their boob jobs and whatnot. Regarding her lip enhancement surgery, Courtney Love said: “I just want the mouth God gave me back.”
But the difference between Love and the guy with phantom penis syndrome is that the guy isn’t allowed to talk about his regret. Not openly. The transgender lobby actively polices and suppresses discussion of sex-change regret, and claims it’s rare (no more than “5 percent.”) However, if you do decide to “de-transition” to once again identify with the sex in your DNA, talking about it will get you targeted by trans activists. So it’s a challenge to understand the scope of regret for sex change surgery. It’s out there, but… ‘It’s Genital Mutilation’
Let’s start with Alan Finch, a resident of Australia who decided when he was 19 to transition from male to female, and in his 20s had genital surgery. But then, at age 36, Finch told the Guardian newspaper in 2004:
. . . transsexualism was invented by psychiatrists. . . .You fundamentally can’t change sex … the surgery doesn’t alter you genetically. It’s genital mutilation. My ‘vagina’ was just the bag of my scrotum. It’s like a pouch, like a kangaroo. What’s scary is you still feel like you have a penis when you’re sexually aroused. It’s like phantom limb syndrome. It’s all been a terrible misadventure. I’ve never been a woman, just Alan . . . the analogy I use about giving surgery to someone desperate to change sex is it’s a bit like offering liposuction to an anorexic.
Finch went on to sue the Australian gender identity clinic at Melbourne’s Monash Medical Center for misdiagnosis. He also was involved in starting an outreach to others called “Gender Menders.” The reaction from the transgender community was fast, furious, and abusive, particularly in the Susans.org discussion forum as described in Sheila Jeffrey’s book, “Gender Hurts.”
Since then, Finch’s outreach website has been archived and there is no further information online. In fact, Finch’s subsequent silence is the norm for those who change their minds. This is perhaps not surprising, given the vigor and vindictiveness of the transgender community in persecuting those who have the temerity to suggest that all is not well in sexual La-La Land. But if you look you can find rogue headlines every now and then that even Hollywood’s fawning over “all things trans” can’t quite control. There’s much evidence that the carefully crafted pictures of transgender “authenticity” and “happiness” are more fiction than fact. Buried Stories of High-Profile Regret
Rene Richards and Mike Penner remain fairly well known as male-to-female transgenders, the former from the 1970s and the latter recently. Both have stories of misgivings and sorrows that cannot be explained away through the old standard “it’s-society’s-fault” routinely trotted out by the transgender lobby.
Tennis champion Rene Richards was one of the first to go through sex-change surgery and was something of a sensation in the 1970s. As such, you might expect Richards to be a tower of strength, offering encouragement to those in similar circumstances today. Well, not so much. This is what Richards had to say in an excerpt from a March 1999 interview attributed to Tennis Magazine (unavailable in full online):
If there was a drug that I could have taken that would have reduced the pressure, I would have been better off staying the way I was—a totally intact person. I know deep down that I’m a second-class woman. I get a lot of inquiries from would-be transsexuals, but I don’t want anyone to hold me out as an example to follow. Today there are better choices, including medication, for dealing with the compulsion to cross dress and the depression that comes from gender confusion. As far as being fulfilled as a woman, I’m not as fulfilled as I dreamed of being. I get a lot of letters from people who are considering having this operation…and I discourage them all.’ —Rene Richards, “The Liaison Legacy,” Tennis Magazine, March 1999.
A 2007 New York Times interview, “The Lady Regrets,” describes Richards’ temperament this way: “… as she wearies of the interview, her body language seems to become more traditionally male, suggesting an athlete who is wearying of the game.”
Penner’s story is even more tragic. In April 2007, Penner, a Los Angeles Times sportswriter for 24 years, announced in a stunning column that he would come back from vacation as “Christine Daniels.” He then wrote a blog, “Woman in Progress,” as he lived as a woman and served as a spokesperson for transgender activism.
But then, with no explanation, Penner decided in 2008 to de-transition. He readopted his byline, Mike Penner, and lived again as a man. All blog posts and bylines by Christine Daniels were mysteriously scrubbed from the LA Times website. Penner discussed none of it. But according to one report, he was devastated over not being able to save his marriage. Then tragically, in November 2009, Penner killed himself. The funeral for Penner was strictly private to keep out media. The LGBT community had their own memorial service, but only for “Christine Daniels,” not Mike Penner.
Another heart-wrenching story, of a female-to-male transgender, is that of Nancy Verhelst in Belgium. She was aghast after her surgery, saying she felt more like a “monster” than a man. She also spoke of her sad childhood, in which her mother rejected her in favor of her brothers, and isolated little Nancy in a room over the garage. Nancy was so distraught that she asked doctors to put her to death under Belgium’s lax euthanasia laws. They coldly complied. Trying to Drown the Iceberg
These stories may be the tip of the proverbial iceberg. There are many such scattered about, and you can see my blog for supplementation. No doubt they’re not widely reported because they don’t fit the “transgender-as-paragon-of-personal-courage” narrative so popular in the media today. But there’s also that element of active suppression by the trans activists.
Take, for example, one Reddit thread entitled “Grieving” from “m2f2m” (male-to-female-to-male) which generated a reader’s friendly warning to let him know that his subreddit was reported to the “transphobia project” which “has a habit of invading linked threads with its own method of education which includes name-calling and downvotes.” In fact, it looks like that’s been deleted. But here’s a poignant excerpt from m2f2m’s painfully honest blog:
I am grieving at how I have mutilated my body. . . . In the case of my surgeon, he seemed all too happy to cut off my testicles, as soon as he had a couple of glowing letters from my doctor and former therapist, saying what a nice lady I had become, how well I had ‘assimilated’ etc. Fuckin crazy. Anyway, I’ve been cryin’.
See also this Reddit conversation that seems to confirm both how common trans doubts and regrets are, and how threatened transgender activists are by them:
[–]PrairieFlame 3 points 3 months ago
Thanks for the links. This sub has been pretty dead, but /r/gender_critical has got a lot of activity.
[–]Guyrl[S] 2 points 3 months ago
It has been, and that’s too bad. The perspectives of people who have detransitioned has been the most helpful thing for me right now.
[–]thirdwaytrans 2 points 3 months ago
I’m so glad you find my perspectives helpful. It makes them worth writing!
[–]grvsmth 0 points 7 days ago
Too bad /r/gender_critical is so intolerant of any non-essentialist critiques of gender, huh?
[–]Guyrl[S] 0 points 3 months ago
I linked to this post in r/asktransgender in a post by someone wondering if they should detransition and asking for advice, and it got me banned.
[–]thirdwaytrans 0 points 3 months ago
Welcome to the banned club! I really worry about all of the people that are questioning and then people are actively censoring any alternate information.
[–]Guyrl[S] 0 points 3 months ago
Haha thanks I suppose. I don’t understand how anyone would want to limit their perspective so militantly. Especially given the severity and permanence of decisions concerning transitioning. I myself am terrified of the thoughts and feelings I’ve been having about my gender identity and want to consider all possible aspects and angles before making a decision. I didn’t think detransition was such a threat to people in that community.
Reddit censorship is also discussed on this blog called Third Way Trans. A Survivor’s Mission to Reach Out to Regretters
While conversations like the above go on—and are suppressed—some brave souls push to get the word out about the potential for regret and other consequences far more severe. A national survey of more than 6,500 transgenders asked the question, ‘Have you tried to commit suicide?’ Forty-one percent answered, ‘Yes.’
Walt Heyer is perhaps the most active among the survivors out there, and possibly the most vilified by transgender activists. He is a clear-eyed and gentle man, now in his 70s, who had sex reassignment surgery and lived as a woman for many years. Because of the devastation sown by the gender confusion, Heyer offers information and support in blogs called sexchangeregret.com and transdetransition.
Heyer has also authored three relevant books: “Paper Genders,” “Gender, Lies and Suicide,” and “Trading My Sorrows” that provide resources to understand the destructive effects of gender confusion. He cites, for example, a national survey of more than 6,500 transgenders that asked the question, “Have you tried to commit suicide?” Forty-one percent answered, “Yes.” One need look no further for compelling evidence of widespread transgender and sex change regret. A Bit of Honesty from Sweden
A Swedish study from 2003 found that post-operative mortality and suicide rates for transsexuals are many times higher than the general population. And that’s in Sweden, probably the friendliest environment on the planet for transgender individuals. He explains how he cried and would have likely changed his mind if the doctor simply asked him just before the surgery if he was certain about it.
Also out of Sweden is a 2010 documentary entitled “Regretters” in which two older Swedish men who each lived as a woman for many years decided to go back to their male identities. (The film has made the rounds at various LGBT events, interesting given its controversial nature.) I recently watched Regretters on YouTube with English subtitles, but that option is no longer available. I hope you can still watch a subtitled trailer here. A few more subtitled excerpts are available in this three-minute discussion with the director.
In “Regretters,” one of the men, Mikael, describes how he felt immediately upon seeing the results of the surgery and his penis gone. He rues aloud: “I was devastated. What have I done? What on earth have I done?” In the full version he explains how he cried and would have likely changed his mind if the doctor simply asked him just before the surgery if he was certain about it. Mikael also explained that he was always painfully shy towards women and never felt he could find someone who would date him or marry him. So—starved for a woman and fearful of rejection—he concluded that he needed to be a woman.
The other man, Orlando, who still looks and dresses androgynously, stated he was “shocked” to see his penis gone after the surgery. Absolutely shocked. Orlando passed very nicely as a woman and managed to trick a man who wanted children into marrying him. Orlando describes his many machinations in covering up, but after a decade the truth came out and the “marriage” ended. A Coming Wave of Regret?
Thanks to the courage of the people who speak out, these regrets have been getting more attention in recent years. A British man who regrets his surgery recently claimed that there has not been enough psychiatric counseling of patients. He is now pressing the National Health Service to reverse his surgery. Britain’s youngest patient –much touted in the press for his courage in changing to a female—has also spoken out. Bradley Cooper begged his family for years, then finally got the go-ahead to switch at age 17. But after a year of living as a woman, he found the whole thing “overwhelming” and cancelled the surgery. Another story appeared on Huffington Post here. Radical feminist Julie Bindel wrote an article, “The Operation that Can Ruin Your Life.”
A few voices within the transgender community seem to expect a coming wave of regretters. Consider this excerpt from a March 2014 report by an Australian transgender activist, entitled: “Coming Trend within the Trans Community, including Doubts and Regrets:”
Yes, there are several well documented cases of regret or de-transition. . . . Most however, hide their dissatisfaction and de-transition in stealth, with the outcome that the true numbers will never be known. This is most unfortunate, as we need to understand these problems that they face and why it is happening more over time. I am not just alluding to Australia, but the World at large if we are to understand what causes us to have doubts and regrets.
Finally, Sundog Pictures, a well-known UK documentary production house, seems to have been exploring the possibility of a documentary on the phenomenon of sex change regret. But chances are you won’t be hearing about it.
Consider this October 2014 blog post at TransActivist.com: “No I will not Help Sundog Make a Documentary about Trans ‘Regret’” which reacts to a letter of inquiry about the project from a Sundog representative. “NotRightRuth” scolded and lashed out against Sundog Pictures for its interest and stated that such a documentary would be “harmful” to the trans-agenda. A number of followers retweeted it here.
If Sundog Pictures is indeed interested, that’s yet another indication that sex-change regret is far deeper and broader than reported. But with or without a new documentary, murmurs of regret are liable to get louder. Biological truth has a way of outing itself. The hard reality of it is written right into our DNA as “male” or “female.” In the end, transgender activists and their media enablers won’t be able to drown that massive iceberg.
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there is the profit angle...yes.
The gubmint wants these mentally/emotionally disturbed men to share a bathroom with little girls.
Whatever happened to first do no harm? They see a buck and take it. These people are mentally ill and need to be treated for that. They nearly always regret their decision.
“Measure twice, cut once.”
Just watch out if the mouse growing the new member gets away.
Nah, we gave it to someone else.
There is a totally reversible form of the male to female operation.
The problem is that when they described the surgery no one seemed to want the reversible form...they did not want the testicles embedded inside of them along with major parts of the penis.
They wanted the parts GONE!
The embedded testicles do not produce testosterone at all because of the levels of estrogen in the system..usually a synthetic form of estrogen is used so the liver cannot do conversions of it to other steroids. This is why M2F people have lower T than even 12 year old girls do. The only T they have is a scant amount produced by the adrenal gland. Women get their T mainly from the ovaries and liver conversion. The embedded penis causes no problem and leaves no huge bulge..it is rendered incapable of erectile function. The sensitive part of the glans is exposed at the proper location to serve as a clitoris.
The reversible form uses a piece of intestine to form the vagina..this has the benefit that it self-lubricates the way a real vagina does and with the estrogen induced Ph change even the scent is very similar.
In the irreversible form of the surgery most of the penis is discarded... this is the stuff that simply cannot be replaced because erectile tissue like the penis or nipples is very unique. The scrotum becomes the labia, the outer skin of the penis becomes the vagina, the sensitive part of the glans is repositioned to become the clitoris.
Since males are capable of both types of orgasm, the male type and the female type, the surgery results in a fully orgasmic person. There is a drawback in that some M2F’s do not have the ability to have multiple orgasms since the male protective libido shutdown of areas of the brain that occurs upon ejaculation still kicks in for them. This shutdown mechanism has evolved as a safety mechanism... otherwise males would keep chasing a sexual high until they collapsed. Every male is aware of this mechanism ;-)
Interestingly, there are women who have benefited from the surgical techniques developed for M2F surgery. In some women who are very sensitive to testosterone or who have been exposed to too much of it at some point the clitoris enlarges into the form of a small penis. This is most distressing (don’t google for images..they are gruesome)
The surgeons that fix this problem use the techniques engineered to strip off the sensitive part of the glans penis in males for relocation as a functioning clitoris. They have learned how to perform this delicate surgery without damaging the nerves at all.
The reason this sort of thing can happen is because we all, male and female, carry the vestigial parts of opposite sex’s sexual anatomy. This is why under certain conditions some men have enlarged breasts and some women have an enlarged clitoris that resembles a small penis. Some women ejaculate at orgasm, this was always considered to be urine but more recent studies have found it to be a thin, somewhat sticky clear fluid closely resembling semen.
This is too much info for some and I will stop here... there is more but it’s only interesting to surgeons and perhaps endocrinologists.
It’s a shame the person referenced in the article did not have the reversible form of surgery done :-(
Oh, it is interesting that the only time that sexual deviants are free of their affliction is that short period of time that follows the shutdown of areas of the brain involved with libido that occurs after ejaculation.
It is rather heartbreaking. What makes it worse is the rotten treatment he’s been getting by those in the LGBT community.
Did he have any friends or family to support him and help him through his depression?
Trans still keep their organs, they get rearranged to resemble the opposite gender. What the mentally challenged got a long while back was castration, in which the testicles were cut off so that this person can’t have sex or become a parent to children.
No sympathy from me on their decision... Karma so to speak. Would have made a great My Name is Earl episode.
Here are some links of interest:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3195117/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3202036/posts
http://online.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/psychiatrys-new-normal-transgendered-persons
http://daleoleary.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/the-%E2%80%9Ctranssexual%E2%80%9D-delusion/
http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2014/06/02/the-mass-delusion-of-transgenderism/
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/06/03/this-poor-child-is-confused-not-transgendered/
http://politicaloutcast.com/2014/06/wall-street-journal-pushes-back-transgender-delusion/
http://www.worldmag.com/2014/09/the_truth_test
one “transgendered” individual was described as being “an effigy of a woman” Excellent summation! a walking parody!
“Trans still keep their organs,.........”
That is why I say they are just sterilizing the mentally ill.
Back in the 30’s it was forced by a court. Now the mentally ill do it willingly and they let them, encourage them. Even if this is reversed, which some have they can no longer have children.
When he was in “transition” he had a support network. (It was quite something to see the support group. Yikes.) Coworkers were also very good. A while after the surgery he/she transferred to another facility in another state, presumably to start a new life. That’s where he/she committed suicide.
I suspect that no matter what happened, he was never happy.
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